So it's been three years...

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...and the forums are still completely dead.

There are multiple threads 8 months old on the front page of the vintage forum.  The DtB section of Legacy has threads 3 years without a single post.  Casual has some traffic, but is what I'd guess 1/8th of what it used to be.  You used to not go an hour without your thread bumped to page 2.  And of course, the Rec Room has 2 posts every 6 months once WotC nuked that.  Those are just the four I've checked. 


So, I'm curious where exactly WotC thought they'd be at this point [3 years in].  I can say completely truthfully that I do not notice any changes from now to what it was 3 years ago.  A ghost town with an ugly looking forum that is blocky and chunky and has the minimal needs for a forum.  I suppose that's better than it was originally (I distinctly remember when they countered my request for autocard with "But we have smilies now!"), but it's a bit shocking to see that almost zero progress has been made in 3 years.  Why is this still in it's beta testing phase?  I would have been appalled if they made the direct switch overnight from the other version to this forum as it stands right now.  This is horrible.

I would have thought by now, they'd at least have some of the new emoticons that they promised as their big selling point.

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I would have thought by now, they'd at least have some of the new emoticons that they promised as their big selling point.

You mean the ones on the second smilie list?

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Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.

The shorthand for bold, italics and underlined sometimes crew up severely, and moderators really need to understand that Bankai should be banned, but otherwise the forums serves all needs I have for it. I don't see the big issue, to be honest.

I'd list some of the changes that have been conveniently surprising, but I've gotten so used to them I've mostly forgotten what they were, even if I know there are some. Only one on top off my head is autocard with visible pictures. Of course, some of them have been fixes to bugs that shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Yxoque wrote:
This forum can't even ****ing self-destruct properly.

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is [mc]x[/mc] still broken?

do texts still vary in size based on whether or not they follow quotes?

do we have [spoiler] and [noparse] back?

I'm not saying these are reasons to leave the forum, but there's a lot of loose ends like those that they were made aware of a long time ago and just haven't bothered doing anything about, despite that most of them would be miniscule amounts of work. (for instance, people much smarter at computers than I am said the text size thing was simply a matter of a single line of code. they even, if I recall correctly, identified the line and described exactly how to fix it. this was months ago.)

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Oh, right, I despise the text change. I've gotten used to work around the rest of them, outside of spoiler, which I never really found a use for. I suppose I just generally forget stuff.

Yxoque wrote:
This forum can't even ****ing self-destruct properly.

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Oh, right, I despise the text change. I've gotten used to work around the rest of them, outside of spoiler, which I never really found a use for. I suppose I just generally forget stuff.


like I said, it's not like any of those issues are major. it's more the attitude of just ignoring problems until we get accustomed to working around them that annoys me.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

 

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Oh, right, I despise the text change. I've gotten used to work around the rest of them, outside of spoiler, which I never really found a use for. I suppose I just generally forget stuff.


like I said, it's not like any of those issues are major. it's more the attitude of just ignoring problems until we get accustomed to working around them that annoys me.

 

I'd like to see what would happen if they took away the fencing smilies....

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Wow.  Sad thread is sad. 


oh hey it's Uncle Mikey. haven't seen you in a while.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

 

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Haven't been around in a while.  Downfall of Gleemax time, to be precise.  Sad to see the boards still haven't recovered from that mishandling. :/

On topic:  I knew these boards existed.  I WANTED to find them, and it STILL took me several pages on the WotC and MtG main sites to find the link.

You never know, that might have something to do with the low numbers... 
Haven't been around in a while.  Downfall of Gleemax time, to be precise.  Sad to see the boards still haven't recovered from that mishandling. :/

I don't think it's as bad as Tony is making it out to be, but it's definitely not good. if it weren't for YMtC I doubt I'd still be here.

On topic:  I knew these boards existed.  I WANTED to find them, and it STILL took me several pages on the WotC and MtG main sites to find the link.

You never know, that might have something to do with the low numbers... 

I don't see how they could be related.

there is a link at the bottom of every article though, so it shouldn't be that hard to find.

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

 

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On topic: I knew these boards existed. I WANTED to find them, and it STILL took me several pages on the WotC and MtG main sites to find the link.

There is a big Forums button to the left of every single page on the Magic site.
Yep the forum never really recovered from the end of gleemax. I think traffic has increased a good amount since the initial launch of the new forums. We've gotten some new and quality posters. The only deckbuiling forums that aren't dead are Standard and Casual. Even those see a low amount of traffic and are fractions of the amount of traffic before and during gleemax. I remember if you posted a deck in casual you were lucky to have it stay on the front page for more than a day.

I think the biggest tragedy is the death of the marketplace. That place was bussling with 30-50 active traders. Now it's dead. And when I say dead I mean no real activity for years.

I don't think the forums will ever be at the level fo activity that they were are before the end of gleemax. If people haven't come back by now they won't. I'm not sure anything could make the original posters return and new posters flock in. By now all those people have either found their place in other mtg forums or have left the game. 

What can't be replaced is the awesome community we had back in the mid 2000's.
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Yep the forum never really recovered from the end of gleemax. I think traffic has increased a good amount since the initial launch of the new forums. We've gotten some new and quality posters. The only deckbuiling forums that aren't dead are Standard and Casual. Even those see a low amount of traffic and are fractions of the amount of traffic before and during gleemax. I remember if you posted a deck in casual you were lucky to have it stay on the front page for more than a day.

I think the biggest tragedy is the death of the marketplace. That place was bussling with 30-50 active traders. Now it's dead. And when I say dead I mean no real activity for years.

I don't think the forums will ever be at the level fo activity that they were are before the end of gleemax. If people haven't come back by now they won't. I'm not sure anything could make the original posters return and new posters flock in. By now all those people have either found their place in other mtg forums or have left the game. 

What can't be replaced is the awesome community we had back in the mid 2000's.


indeed. like, I hate to be one of those "back in my day..." folks, but I don't think there's any question that things were better before the Gleemax fiasco and the board reboot. which is sad because the Gleemax thing was pretty much the fault of one person. (not entirely, mind you, but I firmly believe that a single individual was responsible for the bulk of everything wrong with that. not saying who but anyone around then probably can guess.) the reboot I know less about but it's pretty clear that taking your successful boards and making them look **** and stop working right doesn't lead to good results.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

 

Sets I Made: Fleets of Ossia (complete) | Wavebreak (in progress)

Yep the forum never really recovered from the end of gleemax. I think traffic has increased a good amount since the initial launch of the new forums. We've gotten some new and quality posters. The only deckbuiling forums that aren't dead are Standard and Casual. Even those see a low amount of traffic and are fractions of the amount of traffic before and during gleemax. I remember if you posted a deck in casual you were lucky to have it stay on the front page for more than a day.

I think the biggest tragedy is the death of the marketplace. That place was bussling with 30-50 active traders. Now it's dead. And when I say dead I mean no real activity for years.

I don't think the forums will ever be at the level fo activity that they were are before the end of gleemax. If people haven't come back by now they won't. I'm not sure anything could make the original posters return and new posters flock in. By now all those people have either found their place in other mtg forums or have left the game. 

What can't be replaced is the awesome community we had back in the mid 2000's.


indeed. like, I hate to be one of those "back in my day..." folks, but I don't think there's any question that things were better before the Gleemax fiasco and the board reboot. which is sad because the Gleemax thing was pretty much the fault of one person. (not entirely, mind you, but I firmly believe that a single individual was responsible for the bulk of everything wrong with that. not saying who but anyone around then probably can guess.) the reboot I know less about but it's pretty clear that taking your successful boards and making them look **** and stop working right doesn't lead to good results.

 


I remember when the Marketplace was extremely active.  I filled out some decks through there a good handful of times.  I also distinctly remember how the Vintage forum was in this miraculous upswing with new posters and legitimately competitive discussion immediately preceeding the forum switch, which promptly squashed it (along with the rest of the forums).  The online community here at one point was by far the best I had ever seen before or since.  I'd rather have ocassional downtime with a good community than the pseudo-eternal downtime that it is now.

It's funny.  They publically admitted Gleemax was a monsterous disaster that should never have happened... and then they tried to do the same thing over under the guise of fixing the system.  No one but a few niche posters care about the wiki or random news feeds.  That is all completely worthless if the forums basic functionality doesn't work, which didn't for an inexcusably long time.  I really still don't understand how the whole Gleemax failure didn't undeniably point to the fact that the community didn't want the forums turned into facebook or junked up beyond usability.  

I will say there is one positive in how the site turned out and that there isn't enough traffic for the moderation or inherent flaws to become serious issues if a certain computer mutt really want to blow up the forums, or if someone decided to just spam pornography.  Maybe it's been fixed since I left, but I remember someone spammed inappropriate pictures for over 24 hours without them being deleted or banned at one point.  That never happened with Wizos around. 

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Yep the forum never really recovered from the end of gleemax. I think traffic has increased a good amount since the initial launch of the new forums. We've gotten some new and quality posters. The only deckbuiling forums that aren't dead are Standard and Casual. Even those see a low amount of traffic and are fractions of the amount of traffic before and during gleemax. I remember if you posted a deck in casual you were lucky to have it stay on the front page for more than a day.

I think the biggest tragedy is the death of the marketplace. That place was bussling with 30-50 active traders. Now it's dead. And when I say dead I mean no real activity for years.

I don't think the forums will ever be at the level fo activity that they were are before the end of gleemax. If people haven't come back by now they won't. I'm not sure anything could make the original posters return and new posters flock in. By now all those people have either found their place in other mtg forums or have left the game. 

What can't be replaced is the awesome community we had back in the mid 2000's.


indeed. like, I hate to be one of those "back in my day..." folks, but I don't think there's any question that things were better before the Gleemax fiasco and the board reboot. which is sad because the Gleemax thing was pretty much the fault of one person. (not entirely, mind you, but I firmly believe that a single individual was responsible for the bulk of everything wrong with that. not saying who but anyone around then probably can guess.) the reboot I know less about but it's pretty clear that taking your successful boards and making them look **** and stop working right doesn't lead to good results.

 

As I understand it, I think it was mostly WotC high-ups got caught up in "facebook fever".  Facebook was doing so well and they just wanted to emulate it.  Along comes a company pitching a forums software that looks and acts alot like facebook.  Additionally, I've heard they promised it could do these things that people wanted/the forums need to be able to do.  Then...it comes and it can't actually do some of those things and everyone hates it because facebook is stupid (ok, that last bit is my opinion...).

A WotC actually told me in MTGO that I 'should see the new forums, they are like the Cadillac of forums'  Then they debuted....I took a several month hiatus after that.  I don't think I would have come back if it wasn't for the CCC 2010...

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the bit about becoming facebook is the part I don't get. I already have a facebook. if I want to facebook with people, I will use that. I am friends with a couple forum members on facebook anyway. why would I need a second, magic-exclusive facebook? if I want a magic blog, why wouldn't I just make my own? if I want to post magic videos, why wouldn't I use youtube? there was (and still is) this huge explosion where every company needed to cram you into their own social networking site, and it all failed because I don't want to use my car company to socially network. the idea that these forums needed to be facebook (including a completely meaningless "friends" function) was obviously ridiculous, and I don't know why people thought it was a good idea.

that said, I remember there being some specific issues with VB handling as many people as they had on the forum or something, but I don't know what they were. maybe someone who understands coding and stuff better than I do can explain.

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Given that this is a forum, where people talk to eachother, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that connecting people on a higher level is a good idea. Especially with Facebook's popularity.
People like to bandwagon.

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I don't think that using the Vintage section is a good idea, since Vintage itself is dead.
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Given that this is a forum, where people talk to eachother, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that connecting people on a higher level is a good idea. Especially with Facebook's popularity.
People like to bandwagon.


but consider the public forum it already has attached. through that, I can already interact with everyone I want to interact with. and if I do feel the need to use some sort of friend-filtration system to keep in close contact with specific individuals, like I said, I have a facebook. I even have a couple people I met on these boards as friends over there. and if the idea is I can do it all in one place, then that makes no sense,  because I still have to switch over to some other area to get to that feature, and in the time it took me to do that, I could've just opened a tab with facebook. maybe I want some intermediate level of friendship, where I like you and want to be extra-connected with you but I don't want you to be interacting with my other friends through my posts, but who the heck is that neurotic about their friendship maintenance anyway?

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

 

Sets I Made: Fleets of Ossia (complete) | Wavebreak (in progress)

Given that this is a forum, where people talk to eachother, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that connecting people on a higher level is a good idea. Especially with Facebook's popularity.
People like to bandwagon.


but consider the public forum it already has attached. through that, I can already interact with everyone I want to interact with. and if I do feel the need to use some sort of friend-filtration system to keep in close contact with specific individuals, like I said, I have a facebook. I even have a couple people I met on these boards as friends over there. and if the idea is I can do it all in one place, then that makes no sense,  because I still have to switch over to some other area to get to that feature, and in the time it took me to do that, I could've just opened a tab with facebook. maybe I want some intermediate level of friendship, where I like you and want to be extra-connected with you but I don't want you to be interacting with my other friends through my posts, but who the heck is that neurotic about their friendship maintenance anyway?

 


I am that neurotic.
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the bit about becoming facebook is the part I don't get. I already have a facebook. if I want to facebook with people, I will use that. I am friends with a couple forum members on facebook anyway. why would I need a second, magic-exclusive facebook? if I want a magic blog, why wouldn't I just make my own? if I want to post magic videos, why wouldn't I use youtube? there was (and still is) this huge explosion where every company needed to cram you into their own social networking site, and it all failed because I don't want to use my car company to socially network. the idea that these forums needed to be facebook (including a completely meaningless "friends" function) was obviously ridiculous, and I don't know why people thought it was a good idea.

that said, I remember there being some specific issues with VB handling as many people as they had on the forum or something, but I don't know what they were. maybe someone who understands coding and stuff better than I do can explain.


Why did they think it was a good idea?  Because Facebook is seen as this magical top-hat that you can throw your userbase into and then pull out fistfuls of money.

I don't know how they'd manage that, I thought WotC barely had enough personnel to handle all the fistfuls of money that MTG hauls in...

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Why did they think it was a good idea? Because buried deep down in there is a good idea.

Facebook is designed to easily connect you with people you already know. But connecting to people you don't know? Not so much. If you're about to move to a new town, you cannot realistically use Facebook to find a gaming group in the area. You can't even use it to find one in your current town. Sure you might be able to find a Facebook group for gamers nearby...if someone else has already created one. But if they haven't? No dice. A site that provides that kind of functionality could definitely be useful, and consolidating Wizards' online offerings (Customer Service, D&D Insider, Magic Online, Planeswalker Points, etc) is sensible enough--that broadens the user base and improves the basic function. You don't want users to have to remember multiple passwords and user names when dealing with your company anyway--if you have an account for one game with WotC, why should you have to sign up for a completely different account for a different game when they have all your info anyway?

The problem with both Gleemax and this site is that the implementation was bungled, not that the core ideas were unsound.

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Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.

What exactly are we buying? nothing.

 What can everyone do to make this site better? a lot.

People just want the world handed to them on a silver forum.
This place was easy for me to find, and when i got here, i just found my favorite forum and dove right in, being a doer and trying to help people.
How much do you love this game? Do you love this game? Good. Then this is one of an enumerable host of worldly distractions we are lucky to have.
Did this game exist before people were spoiled... yes. Have games and art and stories existed long before any of us were born?
Is this a game?
Can fans look at themselves as part of the team? sometimes.




This has nothing to do with wanting things handed to us.  This is about them taking a perfectly wonderful product and ruining it because of short sightedness and incompetence in their purest forms.  Since you weren't able to see the forums pre-apolopytic implosion, I'll tell you that the traffic is a very small fraction of what it used to be and posting quality is just as low; the moderation system is also complicated, impersonal, and ineffective as a result of budget cuts in the guise of a vague reference to an isolated incident in some star wars forum.

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