## Multiple instances of Exalted?

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r2d2seeyou
Joined Jun 2006
48 Posts
For Sublime Archangel, it states that if a creature has multiple instances of exalted, each resolves separatly. How does this work? If it grants a creature that already has exalted exalted, does it fizzle the extra? I am a little confused on this.
rudolf
Joined Sep 2005
16886 Posts
For Sublime Archangel, it states that if a creature has multiple instances of exalted, each resolves separatly. How does this work? If it grants a creature that already has exalted exalted, does it fizzle the extra? I am a little confused on this.

The creature will get +1/+1 for each instance of exalted.
r2d2seeyou
Joined Jun 2006
48 Posts
Gotcha, thanks. So since it give all creatres exalted, would it be possible for them to have exalted; exalted? So let's say I have 3 creaturs on the field, one of them the Archangel and they all have exalted. If I attack with one of them would I attack for +5?
ikegami
Joined Nov 2007
2271 Posts

702.81a Exalted is a triggered ability. “Exalted” means “Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, that creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.”

So if you have Sublime Angel and two [C]Akrasan Squire[/C] in play, and one of the bears attacked, three triggers go off.

1. In the order you chose, place the folllowing on the stack:

• Sublime Angel's Exalted ability.

• Akrasan Squire 1's native Exalted ability.

• Akrasan Squire 1's granted Exalted ability.

• Akrasan Squire 2's native Exalted ability.

• Akrasan Squire 2's granted Exalted ability.

• Pass on priority.

• The fifth ability stacked resolves. The attacking soldier is now 2/2

• Pass on priority.

• The fourth ability stacked resolves. The attacking soldier is now 3/3

• Pass on priority.

• The  third ability stacked resolves. The attacking soldier is now 4/4

• Pass on priority.

• The second ability stacked resolves. The attacking soldier is now 5/5

• Pass on priority.

• The first ability stacked resolves. The attacking soldier is now 6/6

• Pass on priority.

• The opponent has a chance to do something after the solider attacked when it's still 1/1 [2]. He also has a chance to do something when it's 2/2 [4], 3/3 [6], etc.

Argus_Panoptes
Joined Sep 2004
5652 Posts
one of them the Archangel and they all have exalted.

By the way, you didn't say how the Sublime Archangel itself is gaining exalted.
Oops, I thought I checked for that in the card text.

No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.

ikegami
Joined Nov 2007
2271 Posts
one of them the Archangel and they all have exalted.

By the way, you didn't say how the Sublime Archangel itself is gaining exalted.

It starts with it.
Flying, exalted

Other creatures you control have exalted.

ikegami
Joined Nov 2007
2271 Posts
Gotcha, thanks. So since it give all creatres exalted, would it be possible for them to have exalted; exalted? So let's say I have 3 creaturs on the field, one of them the Archangel and they all have exalted. If I attack with one of them would I attack for +5?

r2d2seeyou
Joined Jun 2006
48 Posts
She has the exalted ability herself and another ability that grants it to other creatures . The other two creatures, let's say akrasian squires, both have the exalted ability already and then she grants it to each other creature (the two squires).

Basically I am asking if since exalted abilities are counted as separate instances, will each squire gain an extra instance of exalted given by the archangel? So if either of the three attack by itself, there will be 5 exalted abilities on the field that will trigger (one from archangel, one from each squire and one given to each squire from the archangel's other ability).

*I am not sure to how to post the card images on here so sorry for the inconvenience.
r2d2seeyou
Joined Jun 2006
48 Posts
Ah you beat my post. Thanks everyone.
r2d2seeyou
Joined Jun 2006
48 Posts
Ah you beat my post. Thanks everyone.

One last question. So now I have finest hour on the field and it allows me to two combat phases if I attack alone with a creature. Since exalted grants the +1/+1 until end of turn, the second time I attack, would the exalted from the first combat step carry over to the second combat step since the turn is not over yet?

If I attack with the same creature, it will gain the effect of exalted abilities on the field if I am not mistaken. Just wanted to double check.
valkerdukelewan
Joined May 2006
298 Posts
Ok just a related question,

If I have Sublime Archangel in play and lets say Akrasan Squire, then I attack with my Hero of Bladehold, so as far as my Hero of Bladehold was the only atacker declared, the exalted abilities trigger, even when I have two others attackers, that what I understand from the oracle:

Some effects put creatures onto the battlefield attacking. Since those creatures were never declared as attackers, they're ignored by exalted abilities. They won't cause exalted abilities to trigger. If any exalted abilities have already triggered (because exactly one creature was declared as an attacker), those abilities will resolve as normal even though there may now be multiple attackers.

But as long as I control both things, may I put the tokens, gain the exalted due to Sublime Archangel, and then give the bonus to my Hero of Bladehold?

Any other idea to broke this card?
Argus_Panoptes
Joined Sep 2004
5652 Posts
One last question. So now I have finest hour on the field and it allows me to two combat phases if I attack alone with a creature. Since exalted grants the +1/+1 until end of turn, the second time I attack, would the exalted from the first combat step [sic] carry over to the second combat step [sic] since the turn is not over yet?

If I attack with the same creature, it will gain the effect of exalted abilities on the field if I am not mistaken. Just wanted to double check.

611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by the spell or ability creating it (such as "until end of turn"). If no duration is stated, it lasts until the end of the game.

702.81. Exalted

702.81a Exalted is a triggered ability. "Exalted" means "Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, that creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn."

The effect of exalted does not end early if there is a second combat phase, even if the same creature attacks alone again.  Also, exalted triggers whenever a creature you control attacks alone, even if it already attacked alone earlier in the same match/game/turn/whatever.
Ok just a related question,

If I have Sublime Archangel in play and lets say Akrasan Squire, then I attack with my Hero of Bladehold, so as far as my Hero of Bladehold was the only atacker declared, the exalted abilities trigger, even when I have two others attackers, that what I understand from the oracle:

Some effects put creatures onto the battlefield attacking. Since those creatures were never declared as attackers, they're ignored by exalted abilities. They won't cause exalted abilities to trigger. If any exalted abilities have already triggered (because exactly one creature was declared as an attacker), those abilities will resolve as normal even though there may now be multiple attackers.

The ability has already triggered; it does not "untrigger" or end early if a couple other creatures are put on the battlefield attacking.
But as long as I control both things, may I put the tokens, gain the exalted due to Sublime Archangel, and then give the bonus to my Hero of Bladehold?

The tokens have exalted due to Sublime Archangel, but the time for that ability to trigger has already passed before the tokens exist.  An ability can't trigger "retrospectively".

No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.

Chaikov
Joined Jun 2006
8578 Posts
One last question. So now I have finest hour on the field and it allows me to two combat phases if I attack alone with a creature. Since exalted grants the +1/+1 until end of turn, the second time I attack, would the exalted from the first combat step carry over to the second combat step since the turn is not over yet?

If I attack with the same creature, it will gain the effect of exalted abilities on the field if I am not mistaken. Just wanted to double check.

All correct. The creature will gain all Exalting bonuses in addition to the previous ones.

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PirateAmmo
Joined Jul 2010
2539 Posts
But as long as I control both things, may I put the tokens, gain the exalted due to Sublime Archangel, and then give the bonus to my Hero of Bladehold?

If you control Hero of Bladehold and Sublime Archangel, and Hero of Bladehold attacks alone, four abilities will trigger: Hero of Bladehold's two abilities, exalted from Sublime Archangel, and exalted from Hero of Bladehold.

When those abilities resolve, Hero of Bladehold will get +2/+2, you will put two tokens onto the battlefield, and they will get +1/+0. Those tokens will have exalted, but at that point, it will be to late for exalted to trigger for that combat.
Zoidberg
Joined Aug 2005
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Exalted is pretty easy. If you have creatures with exalted, when a creature you control attacks alone, it gets +1/+1 for each instance of exalted among creature you control.

The Basic rulebook, read it! A lot of basic questions are answered there!

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maxstrokes
Joined Jun 2012
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Hi all,
I've read something isn't so clear:

She’s Not a Legend
Sublime Archangel is not a legendary creature so you can have multiples of her on the battlefield. Exalted abilities stack so having two or more Sublime Archangels on the board adds up damage really fast.
Here’s the reminder text on the card:
If a creature has multiple instances of exalted, each triggers separately.

Therefore, creatures can definitely have multiple exalted abilities. Let’s look at some examples to see how this works.
If you have two Archangels on the board, they both gain an additional exalted ability. Whenever you attack with just one of them, she grows to an 8/7 creature.

Is it right? Is it like if she has Exalted, Exalted? I think it's wrong. I think it gets +1/+1 for each creature with exalted.
So my question in the end: two Sublime Archangel on battelfield, one attacks. she get's +1/+1 or +4/+4?
Enigma256
Joined Jul 2010
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+4/+4
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jeff-heikkinen
Joined Aug 2001
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Sublime Archangel has Exalted in its own right, plus an ability that grants Exalted to every creature you control except itself. One Sublime Archangel obviously won't grant a second instance of Exalted to itself, but two will grant it to each other. In total, they'll grant +4/+4 from a combined four instances of Exalted.

What makes you think it would only be +1/+1? +2/+2 I could sort of see, but I don't know how it's possible to read the above discussion and still think only one Exalted trigger would happen here. As the text you quote points out, the card explicitly states that multiple instances of Exalted all trigger separately. Moreover, even if it didn't say this right on the card, the above discussion goes over the fact that Exalted stacks, and some implications of this, in great detail. What, if any, specific point do you disagree with or find confusing?
Jeff Heikkinen DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
maxstrokes
Joined Jun 2012
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Because for instance i inteded the assegnation of +1/+1. Nowhere above there was such an example and, naivaly, thougth it was like Life-Link.
Enigma256
Joined Jul 2010
14845 Posts
back when Lifelink was a triggered ability it stacked as well ;)
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jeff-heikkinen
Joined Aug 2001
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Because for instance i inteded the assegnation of +1/+1. Nowhere above there was such an example and, naivaly, thougth it was like Life-Link.

I don't quite follow your first sentence, but there were several examples with more than one creature with Exalted. I can certainly understand confusion about how Sublime Archangel's ability to grant Exalted would affect other Sublime Archangels (for the record, "other" means "other than this specific object", not "other than creatures named Sublime Archangel"). But I would have thought it would at least be clear that the two normal instances of Exalted involved here would stack.
Jeff Heikkinen DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011