Ranks in Seduction?

18 posts / 0 new
Last post
Okay, so I'm running a 3.5 campaign, and in the party is a bard who imagines himself quite the ladies' man.  So...I've got a NPC who is seductive, sensual, beautiful, etc., etc., (oh, and yeah, married to a boorish NPC that could cause problems).  I want her and the bard to have an interlude, but I'm not sure if I should run any checks for this or not.  She's an NPC written into a module, so no stats (Cha, etc.) were provided, but I mean, she wants it, he wants it...

Common sense tells me to just roleplay it, no checks, no rolls...but I want to be sure there's isn't something rules-related I'm missing.

Thanks in advance!
She's an NPC written into a module, so no stats (Cha, etc.) were provided, but I mean, she wants it, he wants it...

Common sense tells me to just roleplay it, no checks, no rolls...


Well, there ya go.  You've answered your own question. 

Checks are conflict resolution tools.  They're best used to arbitate situations with a significant chance of failure.  No chance of failure, no conflict, no need for needless rolling.  Roleplay away (or cut to black or whatever).
Thinking about creating a race for 4e? Make things a lil' easier on yourself by reading my Race Mechanic Creation Guide first.
She's an NPC written into a module, so no stats (Cha, etc.) were provided, but I mean, she wants it, he wants it...

Common sense tells me to just roleplay it, no checks, no rolls...


Well, there ya go.  You've answered your own question. 

Checks are conflict resolution tools.  They're best used to arbitate situations with a significant chance of failure.  No chance of failure, no conflict, no need for needless rolling.  Roleplay away (or cut to black or whatever).




Seconded.

If you want an example of when seduction checks are appropriate, consider what they gave the swashbuckler as a model.

Cancer prognosis: I am now cancer-free.

Weekly Optimization Series

Show
These are NOT all my creations! The lead authors are identified as follows: [TS] Tempest Stormwind, [AR] Andarious Rosethorn, [RT] Radical Taoist, [SN] Sionnis, [DH] DisposableHero_, [SH] Seishi.

[TS] The Pinball Brothers: Large And In Charge (Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling)
[TS] Ashardalon Reborn: I Will Swallow Your Soul (Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme)
[AR] "A"-Game Paladin: Play That Funky Music, Knight Boy! (Team Support, Melee, Theme, Single-Class)
[RT] Uncanny Trapsmith: Get in, make it look like an accident, get out. (Skillmonkey, Stealth/Scout/Infiltration, Unorthodox Methods, Theme)
[AR] Wizsassin: *Everything* is permitted. (Spellcaster, Support, Sneak Attack, Utility)
[TS] Phantom Rush: General Gish Gouda. (Gish, Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Early-Entry PrC)
[TS] Storm Knight: Another kind of gish. (Melee/"Gish", Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Unorthodox Methods)
[TS] Inevitable Nightmare: The weapon you only have to fire once. (Melee, "Unorthodox" Methods (no charging), Reliability)
[AR] Captain Constitution: The number one threat to America. (Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme)
[AR] Nuker: I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down! (Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage)
[TS] Dread Lord of the Dead: Let the Reaping Begin! (NPC-only, Variable (combat/casting/leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme)
[AR] Heavy Crusader: No Rest. No Mercy. No Matter What. (Melee, Damage (No charging), Variable, Theme).
[TS] Gun Fu: It's bullet time (Ranged, THEORETICAL, Twin weapons, Theme)
[RT] Face First: We should talk. (Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management)
[SN] Chaingun Porcupine: Never Enuff Dakka. (Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum)
[RT] Always On Edge: The Mortal Draw deals death. (Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt)
[AR] Feral Druid: Real feral taste. Zero druid calories. (Melee, offense, damage, murder)
[RT] Rusty!: Man's Best Friend (Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard)
[RT] The T3 (Tashalatora Triple Threat): My Kung Fu is More Powerful (Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster)
[RT] The #1 Snoipah: Boom. 'Eadshot. (Caster, Theme, Spike, Trapscout)
[AR] Dreamblade: Rest in Pieces. (Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum)
[AR] Evasion Tank: “When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way.” (Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), Theme)
[DH] Psycarnum Warrior: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start (Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x)
[AR] Heavy Weapons Elf: WHO TOUCHED MY BOW? (Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB))
[RT] Gnowhere Gnome: A little man who wasn't there (Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive)
[AR] Uberflank: I got your back. (Melee, support, stunt, teamwork)
[TS] Flip the Bird: Everyday I'm shuffling (Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support)
[DH] Eat Sleep Gank: Real Ultimate Power (Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility)
[AR] Slash and Burn: Mind, Body, Blade, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death. (Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt)
[RT] Edge of the Light: Cut, Fade to Black (Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical)
[RT] Quiet Murder: Cut throats, not corners. (Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical)
[TS] Wand Overdrive: Say Hello to my little friends. (Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist)
[RT] God Hand: What did the five fingers say to the face? (Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme)
[AR] Zero Buff Time Gish: Try to keep up! (Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity)
[TS] Robo Tackle: I Am Iron Man. (Melee, setting-specific (Eberron), positioning, theme, stunt)

[TS] Holy Fire: Just getting warmed up! (Casting, damage, theme (fire), theme (sacred), blasting)

[TS] Groundhog Mage: ♪Let’s do the time warp again♪ (Casting, stunt, setting-specific (Faerun), spell stamina / versatility, spontaneous wizard)

[RT] Captain Charisma: All she wants to do is dance (Hybrid (melee/support), SAD, Theme (criticals), Theme (flex-style)

[TS] Assassin's Speed: A blade in the crowd (Melee (technical), iaijutsu, SAD, theme (Assassin's Creed), tutorial)

 

Want to see how the entire group rolls?
[All] Party Optimization Showcase: Dead for Nothing
[TS/RT/AR] Optimization Article: The Flash Step
[RT] Optimization Article: Kung Fu Witchcraft

 

Seishi: I think it might be fun to have a one-off [game] tuned fairly, but with the intention of wiping the party. 

DisposableHero_: if [my campaign] has taught me nothing else, it is that with this group, nothing tuned fairly will ever wipe the party

RadicalTaoist: I've been throwing **** at this group that's 5 levels over CRed in DFN, and have yet to wipe the party.

Okay, so I'm running a 3.5 campaign, and in the party is a bard who imagines himself quite the ladies' man.  So...I've got a NPC who is seductive, sensual, beautiful, etc., etc., (oh, and yeah, married to a boorish NPC that could cause problems).  I want her and the bard to have an interlude, but I'm not sure if I should run any checks for this or not.  She's an NPC written into a module, so no stats (Cha, etc.) were provided, but I mean, she wants it, he wants it...

Common sense tells me to just roleplay it, no checks, no rolls...but I want to be sure there's isn't something rules-related I'm missing.

Thanks in advance!

I would recommend that you work her up.  Make certain that you know her Charisma at game time, as game situations will come up with her (surely this is not going to be a one time thing).  Since you are the one to roleplay her, you need a little substance behind your decisions when things get off script.

I have just finished a story arch of a number of damsels in distress.  They came from various modules that I had adapted for my style of play, then tweaked to fit the story I wanted to tell.  Each damsel had her situation, her story, and her own basic character information.  One PC actually married one lady.  The soul of one lady got put in the body of another lady then returned to the husband of the body.  A couple of others were simply rescued and returned.  They were fun adventures with some ladies getting involved in combats, some being hard to deal with, and others more than glad to have been rescued and willing to 'reward' those that rescued her.  Finally have party to a level where they might start surviving giants, so will be moving them to the main story arch that I have planned for them.
I'm just going to put this out there but CHA does NOT directly relate to a character's looks if that is what is implied somewhere.  I guess it is important because it relates to how people interact but it still is unrelated to how one looks.
I'm just going to put this out there but CHA does NOT directly relate to a character's looks if that is what is implied somewhere.  I guess it is important because it relates to how people interact but it still is unrelated to how one looks.

Uh, so YOU rate a woman solely on her looks?  Shame on you.  Yes, there is more than looks associated with Charisma (remember: Adolph Hitler had a high charisma, and no one says that he was over attractive).

I'm just going to put this out there but CHA does NOT directly relate to a character's looks if that is what is implied somewhere.  I guess it is important because it relates to how people interact but it still is unrelated to how one looks.

Uh, so YOU rate a woman solely on her looks?  Shame on you.  Yes, there is more than looks associated with Charisma (remember: Adolph Hitler had a high charisma, and no one says that he was over attractive).

I would have gone with Austin Powers as my example. 
"Today's headlines and history's judgment are rarely the same. If you are too attentive to the former, you will most certainly not do the hard work of securing the latter." -Condoleezza Rice "My fellow Americans... I've just signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. Bombing begins in five minutes." - Ronald Reagan This user has been banned from you by the letters "O-R-C" and the numbers "2, 3, 4, and 6"
User Quotes
56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
I'm just going to put this out there but CHA does NOT directly relate to a character's looks if that is what is implied somewhere.  I guess it is important because it relates to how people interact but it still is unrelated to how one looks.

Uh, so YOU rate a woman solely on her looks?  Shame on you.  Yes, there is more than looks associated with Charisma (remember: Adolph Hitler had a high charisma, and no one says that he was over attractive).

Where did you ever get that idea.  I find that accusation to be offensive.

I am merely pointing out a common misconception that has been around for decades.  The OP comments on CHA not being mentioned but that really has little weight in how things should play out.  Since DnD's inception people have been trying to assign a score to how "attractive" a character's physical beauty is and actually have although why I really don't know.

Now there was once an "adult" section on the DnD boards.  I even recall mention of a couple different things that would go into details about what the OP is looking for.  I want to say that the common abbreviatons for two of them were the GUCK and the BoEF.

Oh, just one more thing.  That series of adventures mentioned does sound a little bit interesting, at least from a certain point of view.  It brings to mind an adventure I once thought up involving a kidnapped princes (but NOT the obvious princess) who was going to be used as a part of a plot for one group to plant a spy in the camp of its blood enemy.
All replies here (on-topic and off) appreciated.  I ended up mostly just roleplaying it, but I wanted some background stats.  I found this hilarious website, and used the Jessica Simpson stat block (with a couple of changes - my NPC is smarter, for one).  And then, I used the Aristocrat NPC info in the DMG. 

It worked out pretty well...so, thanks!
All replies here (on-topic and off) appreciated.  I ended up mostly just roleplaying it, but I wanted some background stats.  I found this hilarious website, and used the Jessica Simpson stat block (with a couple of changes - my NPC is smarter, for one).  And then, I used the Aristocrat NPC info in the DMG. 

It worked out pretty well...so, thanks!

If you ever need an annoying BBEG, look no further

"Today's headlines and history's judgment are rarely the same. If you are too attentive to the former, you will most certainly not do the hard work of securing the latter." -Condoleezza Rice "My fellow Americans... I've just signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. Bombing begins in five minutes." - Ronald Reagan This user has been banned from you by the letters "O-R-C" and the numbers "2, 3, 4, and 6"
User Quotes
56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
In the future if your 'lady's man' Bard wants to 'pick up women', you could use Diplomacy. This allows a player who might not personally be able to play the character they created. For a better RPer, you can give a dice roll, but modify the roll based on RP. The Diplomacy also allows you to start out at hostile or what ever diff you would like.  Also remember that you don't have to make this a lasting effect.  

But really, reward good roleplay with bonus XP to encourage him and the other players. You would be shocked how well giving a player 50-100xp for 'playing his character', even if it is the negitive traits, leads to players trying that little bit harder.

 
Draco: Oh gods, Alignment: Purple Evil....hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!  Hilarious.

Bik: Yep, I did have the bard roll a Diplo check, and I added Circumstance Bonus because the woman was "receptive".  And it worked...she was on her way to his room (which he shares with his paladin roommate)...when he discovered she's married. 

It was good times.
@ StevenO:

In D&D 3x, charisma does include physical attractiveness. It's in the PHB and on the SRD... www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#charism...

I think its BS too, but it IS in the rules...
@ StevenO: In D&D 3x, charisma does include physical attractiveness. It's in the PHB and on the SRD... www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#charism... I think its BS too, but it IS in the rules...



True...but it's not the only part of the Charisma stat.  It seems that most people think that Charisma is just how good-looking a character is.
@ StevenO: In D&D 3x, charisma does include physical attractiveness. It's in the PHB and on the SRD... www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#charism... I think its BS too, but it IS in the rules...

Well, it's not like people in real life don't react differently to a comely or homely countenance, it's just not the only factor.

The kraken stirs. And ten billion sushi dinners cry out for vengeance. - Good Omens

Co-Author of the Dreamfane, Euralden Eye, Gajuisan Crawler, Gruesome Lurker, Fulminating Crab, Ironglass Rose, Sheengrass Swarm, Spryjack, Usunag, and Warp Drifter, and author of the Magmal Horror from Force of Nature.

My most popular campaign item; for all your adventuring convenience.
Zauber's Mutable Rod: This rod has a number of useful functions that make it easier to live in the wilderness. It is made of polished wood, with five studlike buttons on one end. Each button produces a different effect when pressed. Unless otherwise noted, the rod’s functions have no limit on the number of times they can be employed. When button 1 is pressed, one end of the rod produces a small flame, equivalent to a candle. When button 2 is pressed, the rod unfolds into a two-person tent, complete with bedrolls and warm blankets. When button 3 is pressed, the rod becomes a one-handed hammer, suitable for pounding pitons into a wall. When button 4 is pressed, the rod becomes a sturdy iron spade. When button 5 is pressed, the rod becomes a wooden bucket able to hold 2 gallons of liquid. Once per day, it can be commanded to fill with fresh water. If the rod is seriously damaged or broken in any of its alternate forms (button 2, 3, 4, or 5), it reverts to its basic rod form and cannot be activated for 24 hours. Moderate conjuration; CL 9th; Craft Rod, minor creation; Price 375 gp; Weight 2 lb.
I know, I was just correcting StevenO's assertion that there is no direct relation to charisma and physical attractiveness. There is, at least in D&D 3x...there is more to it, but the relationship does exist.
I know, I was just correcting StevenO's assertion that there is no direct relation to charisma and physical attractiveness. There is, at least in D&D 3x...there is more to it, but the relationship does exist.

Ok.  Physical appearance may factor into Charisma but that still doesn't mean that high/low CHA equal attractive/unattractive.  You can have to drop dead super model who actually has a poor CHA score because when ever he opens his mouth you just want to run and hide.  Conversely you could have an terribly mishapened who is generally considered "ugly" to be the most wonderful person (high CHA) that you'd ever meet.

Perhaps there is a relationship between physical appearance and CHA score but it is NOT something that could actually see.  I'd maybe never do it but you could have three identical triples who all "look" the same but who have CHA scores that differ greatly. 

I know, I was just correcting StevenO's assertion that there is no direct relation to charisma and physical attractiveness. There is, at least in D&D 3x...there is more to it, but the relationship does exist.

Ok.  Physical appearance may factor into Charisma but that still doesn't mean that high/low CHA equal attractive/unattractive.  You can have to drop dead super model who actually has a poor CHA score because when ever he opens his mouth you just want to run and hide.  Conversely you could have an terribly mishapened who is generally considered "ugly" to be the most wonderful person (high CHA) that you'd ever meet.


Supporting Steven, with a few examples - ones that I've tried to keep reasonably objective.

In the red corner: Miss Teen South Carolina. (All judgements of attractiveness aside, and whether or not you agree with her, here is a person competing in a beauty pageant (which implies some measure of beauty just to qualify; these also judge other behavioural traits generally lumped under "Charisma" in D&D), delivering what is objectively word salad. It may not make you want to hide, per se, but I know I, at least, cringe every time I hear that infamous reply entirely because of its delivery and structure.) Secondary examples include any of the pretty dancers in modern music videos. (This is secondary because they're frequently presented as a group, so the individual's contribution to it is minimized, but it still works, at the very least as an analogy: they're cast in the video in part because they're pretty, and yet in the end they don't stand out at all or leave much of an impression (even if you disregard the singer!). That's still charisma.)

In the blue corner: Sir Winston Churchill. (While not exactly "misshapen", he wouldn't be winning any beauty contests, particularly during his later years - although he could probably talk his way to the top place if he tried). If you subscribe to the "High Charisma, therefore Ladies' Man" interpretation, Benjamin Franklin also fits the bill, and a large part of that is because of his personality. (I didn't list him first because Churchill's rhetoric is in a more modern dialect and the force of personality is easier to see.)

(Note: I may be letting my bias show here, and I know charisma includes far more than this, but I've always equated the verbal component of charisma with rhetorical/oratory mastery. Other examples include Cicero, Shakespeare, Voltaire, and Mark Twain. It isn't sufficient - of the examples of rhetorical masters in this post, only half of them had leadership ability in any real sense of the term - but it certainly doesn't hurt.)




For historical precedent, earlier editions of D&D did include a separate "comeliness" score, but that's assuming it can be measured in the same way that, say, Strength can. If Charisma was the sole determinant of physical attractiveness, then no races could have separate tastes in terms of attractiveness (Said the halfling to the ogre sorceress, "*catcall* check out the tusks on her!"), and the 42-Charisma atropals would be winning all the swimsuit contests.

Oh, and just for sake of interest: according to the DSM-IV-TR (the foundational diagnostic work in mental health in North America; I'm not familiar with the WHO's international version), one of the defining factors in psychopathy* is high charisma. High charisma isn't necessary nor sufficient to lead to psychopathy, I hasten to point out, but it is one of the factors used in diagnosing it, at least as measures of character (as opposed to behaviour) are concerned. The archetypal example of this has already been mentioned, but I don't want to see this Godwinned again.

*
And yes, I know, for precision, the DSM does NOT actually use the term "psychopathy"; it uses "antisocial personality disorder". Colloquially they're equivalent, and there's a chance - albeit a small one, as I understand it - that the APA will use the term in next year's revision.

Cancer prognosis: I am now cancer-free.

Weekly Optimization Series

Show
These are NOT all my creations! The lead authors are identified as follows: [TS] Tempest Stormwind, [AR] Andarious Rosethorn, [RT] Radical Taoist, [SN] Sionnis, [DH] DisposableHero_, [SH] Seishi.

[TS] The Pinball Brothers: Large And In Charge (Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling)
[TS] Ashardalon Reborn: I Will Swallow Your Soul (Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme)
[AR] "A"-Game Paladin: Play That Funky Music, Knight Boy! (Team Support, Melee, Theme, Single-Class)
[RT] Uncanny Trapsmith: Get in, make it look like an accident, get out. (Skillmonkey, Stealth/Scout/Infiltration, Unorthodox Methods, Theme)
[AR] Wizsassin: *Everything* is permitted. (Spellcaster, Support, Sneak Attack, Utility)
[TS] Phantom Rush: General Gish Gouda. (Gish, Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Early-Entry PrC)
[TS] Storm Knight: Another kind of gish. (Melee/"Gish", Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Unorthodox Methods)
[TS] Inevitable Nightmare: The weapon you only have to fire once. (Melee, "Unorthodox" Methods (no charging), Reliability)
[AR] Captain Constitution: The number one threat to America. (Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme)
[AR] Nuker: I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down! (Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage)
[TS] Dread Lord of the Dead: Let the Reaping Begin! (NPC-only, Variable (combat/casting/leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme)
[AR] Heavy Crusader: No Rest. No Mercy. No Matter What. (Melee, Damage (No charging), Variable, Theme).
[TS] Gun Fu: It's bullet time (Ranged, THEORETICAL, Twin weapons, Theme)
[RT] Face First: We should talk. (Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management)
[SN] Chaingun Porcupine: Never Enuff Dakka. (Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum)
[RT] Always On Edge: The Mortal Draw deals death. (Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt)
[AR] Feral Druid: Real feral taste. Zero druid calories. (Melee, offense, damage, murder)
[RT] Rusty!: Man's Best Friend (Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard)
[RT] The T3 (Tashalatora Triple Threat): My Kung Fu is More Powerful (Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster)
[RT] The #1 Snoipah: Boom. 'Eadshot. (Caster, Theme, Spike, Trapscout)
[AR] Dreamblade: Rest in Pieces. (Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum)
[AR] Evasion Tank: “When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way.” (Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), Theme)
[DH] Psycarnum Warrior: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start (Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x)
[AR] Heavy Weapons Elf: WHO TOUCHED MY BOW? (Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB))
[RT] Gnowhere Gnome: A little man who wasn't there (Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive)
[AR] Uberflank: I got your back. (Melee, support, stunt, teamwork)
[TS] Flip the Bird: Everyday I'm shuffling (Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support)
[DH] Eat Sleep Gank: Real Ultimate Power (Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility)
[AR] Slash and Burn: Mind, Body, Blade, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death. (Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt)
[RT] Edge of the Light: Cut, Fade to Black (Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical)
[RT] Quiet Murder: Cut throats, not corners. (Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical)
[TS] Wand Overdrive: Say Hello to my little friends. (Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist)
[RT] God Hand: What did the five fingers say to the face? (Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme)
[AR] Zero Buff Time Gish: Try to keep up! (Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity)
[TS] Robo Tackle: I Am Iron Man. (Melee, setting-specific (Eberron), positioning, theme, stunt)

[TS] Holy Fire: Just getting warmed up! (Casting, damage, theme (fire), theme (sacred), blasting)

[TS] Groundhog Mage: ♪Let’s do the time warp again♪ (Casting, stunt, setting-specific (Faerun), spell stamina / versatility, spontaneous wizard)

[RT] Captain Charisma: All she wants to do is dance (Hybrid (melee/support), SAD, Theme (criticals), Theme (flex-style)

[TS] Assassin's Speed: A blade in the crowd (Melee (technical), iaijutsu, SAD, theme (Assassin's Creed), tutorial)

 

Want to see how the entire group rolls?
[All] Party Optimization Showcase: Dead for Nothing
[TS/RT/AR] Optimization Article: The Flash Step
[RT] Optimization Article: Kung Fu Witchcraft

 

Seishi: I think it might be fun to have a one-off [game] tuned fairly, but with the intention of wiping the party. 

DisposableHero_: if [my campaign] has taught me nothing else, it is that with this group, nothing tuned fairly will ever wipe the party

RadicalTaoist: I've been throwing **** at this group that's 5 levels over CRed in DFN, and have yet to wipe the party.