After reading through a few threads and seeing what people have said, I'm starting to wonder if anyone really cares about what DnD ACTUALLY is. My friend and I who've combined knowledge of 2nd-4th editions spent last night looking over what we would have to watch out for. Then earlier today, we actually started going through the adventure module. So you guys (who all seem to hate damn near everything in the play test), let me explain my group from today. Me-DM/Cleric of Mordain, have played Dnd since 3.5. My buddy-Cleric of Pelor, has played since 2nd. My roommate-Fighter, played mostly 3rd, not 3.5. Last two friends-Rogue/Wizard, have only played DnD 4th, for only the last month, being extremely new to the game. Everyone actually ENJOYED, you know, had FUN with the play test. Yes, there are some concerns we talked about. We cleared through a room of 22 goblins in about 45 minutes, and only the fighter was dropped to 0 even. The smaller monsters, yes, seem to have the disadvantage off attacking and taking hits. Every small encounter room was cleared within 2-3 rounds and less than 15 minutes. There are things that we don't agree with, like the coup de grace to some of us seems broken as in that no matter what, any creature, even PC can automatically die in 2 rounds or less. The limited healing that the cleric of Pelor had seemed to limit what the fighter would rush into, but the none the less, the fighter was USEFUL and NOT dull. We found the fighter really interesting because the situations he could find himself in, plus it was fun to watch who could kill more, the fighter or wizard haha. My buddy an I know there's more wrong and we're gonna test a theory that only a fighter and cleric of Pelor can run this whole thing and use that to find what's wrong so far. So for those who are only concerned about using this play test to make sure EVERY stat and EVERY possibility is going to be maximized, stop for a second and think why you constantly complain and hate about everything that is 'dull' and 'useless' and 'has no point', and remember what this game is about, because I've got two people who in a month, apologize to me in every conversation for a session they missed, and look for any spot or reason to enjoy the full game, not just the hack and slash, first person, destroy every living thing and become a god parts that you all want to hate and complain about. Think about that for a damn minute before you go off telling WoTC that they need to do this and this and this, when we all damn well know that's just gonna seriously f*** up anything we really want this game to be.