What should a spectator do when he/she noticed a player missed a trigger?

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This past weekend, I participated in a tournament which the winner would get 3 buys for GP Vancouver.  It was AVR Sealed with top 8 draft.

I don't usually attend tournament other than the more casual pre-release/launch and FNM draft but my friend persuade me.  Anyway, since only 14 people showed up, so I thought it would just be casual.  All went good until ...

I was watching one of the semi-final games.  It was game 1.  Player 1 missed his Blood Artist  trigger during combat when something died.  Post combat, he casted a creature.  I said 'you (meaning Player 1) had to gain a life.'  I said that because it is not a 'may' trigger so I thought I should point it out.  Once I said that, another spectator said 'at this level of play, I suggest calling Judge'.  It was at that point that I realize, the tournament was 'a big deal'.

Player 1 explained the situation to the Judge.
Judge: Had it passed the turn?
Player 1: No.
Judge: Had anything else happened?
Player 1: No.
(Now, that's wrong in my opinion since he did cast a creature after he missed the trigger.  But I said nothing since the Judge was there and Player 2 said nothing.  Neither did 'the other spectator'.)
Judge: Then, the trigger is put on the stack and resolves.  If the turn has passed, then Player 1 would have missed it and something something that I already forgot.

The judge never mentioned about warning.  Player 2 gave me a look meaning 'you shouldn't have said anything.'

I felt bad that I did say something since he lost a life because of that.  But I still think that I did the right thing 'to speak up' but maybe I should go to the judge directly?  Luckily, the 1 point life lose didn't affect the outcome of the game nor the match.

I have no previous experience in high level tournament.  So my questions are
Q1: What should or could I have done when I noticed both players missed the trigger?
Q2: When Player 1 said no regarding 'anything else happened', should I say anything?

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you can ask the players to stop while you get a judge

you cannot tell them "you missed a trigger" as that would be interference.
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you can ask the players to stop while you get a judge

you cannot tell them "you missed a trigger" as that would be interference.



How about Q2?  Should I say anything at that point?

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As a spectator, it's your responsibility to avoid directly interfering in matches. If you notice something wrong in a game, you should tell a judge. You should never directly comment on the problem to the players.

At Competitive level (which is what a GPT is) you may ask the players to pause the game while you go fetch a judge if necessary. However, in the specific case of missed triggers, I would recommend against doing that unless you think a player is deliberately ignoring their own triggers--just go fetch a judge and tell them what's going on. (That's a player ignoring triggers they control--ignoring an opponent's trigger that he has forgotten is perfectly normal and acceptable in Competitive play.)


For Question 2, I wouldn't have recommended directly interrupting the player, but you likely should have said something. (It's hard to say for certain since I wasn't there.) I'd be wondering why the opponent didn't speak up there.

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@Zammm: if it's a mandatory trigger, isn't it Player 2's resposibility to correct the game state or at least call a Judge when Player 1 misses it (assuming he notices)? It seems fishy to me that Player 2 can just ignore it to his benefit and gain an illegal advantage.

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@Zammm: if it's a mandatory trigger, isn't it Player 2's resposibility to correct the game state or at least call a Judge when Player 1 misses it (assuming he notices)? It seems fishy to me that Player 2 can just ignore it to his benefit and gain an illegal advantage.


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From section 3.7 of the IPG, GPE-Failure To Maintain Gamestate

"Not pointing out an opponent’s missed trigger is never Failure to Maintain Game State or Fraud." 
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Not anymore.
From section 3.7 of the IPG, GPE-Failure To Maintain Gamestate

"Not pointing out an opponent’s missed trigger is never Failure to Maintain Game State or Fraud." 

I'll be damned!

 

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Alright, if that's the [O] position.

Should a spectator intervene at all to call a judge if a trigger is missed?

We don't want the game to devolve into me (player) and my friends (spectators) vs you (player) and your friends (spectators), do we?

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