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...get Spiked Chain Training AND Surprising Charge as a non-rogue/fighter (pure) class?

Am I the only one who read the gnome racial trait as, "Speak with Small Breasts,"?

No, but I think you already know the answer to this.
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No, but I think you already know the answer to this.


Yes, you're right, I am omniscient and was just using this thread to test you mortals.

Am I the only one who read the gnome racial trait as, "Speak with Small Breasts,"?

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one requires a MC, the other requires you to be of a class you're not. What else do you expect?
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Be a Bard? That should still work, right?
I assumed he was trying to be a striker, else why grab those two feats?
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Well, yeah, I'm not sure what the point of that would be, but it DOES solve the problem.
Charging Bards make tons of sense...
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you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post.  Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.
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you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post.  Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.



In his defense, it is kind of a silly question.  "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?". 
leave him alone he is channelling Erachma and its funny
you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post.  Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.



In his defense, it is kind of a silly question.  "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?". 


And yet, OMG! There's a way of doing it!

Funny how that works in an exception-based system. 

Am I the only one who read the gnome racial trait as, "Speak with Small Breasts,"?

leave him alone he is channelling Erachma and its funny



Seconded.

Questions like this should be asked elsewhere, or not at all- It's not CharOp material, and thus has no use here.
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you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post.  Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.



In his defense, it is kind of a silly question.  "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?". 


And yet, OMG! There's a way of doing it!

Funny how that works in an exception-based system. 



As you're in charop, "that is worth doing" is assumed to be added to every question.  The answer is no.  Sure I COULD be a bard and MC every class,  but why would I?
Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that
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Where should OP ask this question? Seriously Char Op. OP could have asked General Discussion or the Rules & FAQ, but if someone has a question to about building a character there is literally no other place better at putting things that shouldn't work together in a way that is awesome.

Even if OP already knew the answer, but also knew s/he lacked the system mastery of many Char Oppers, then OP is still right in thinking that somebody here might know of a sneaky way around the problem.
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Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that



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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
HerpDerp, level 11
Half-Elf, Bard, Traveler's Harlequin
Bardic Virtue Option: Virtue of Cunning
Half-Elf Power Selection Option: Dilettante
 
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 12, CON 14, DEX 19, INT 13, WIS 16, CHA 15
 
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 11, DEX 17, INT 11, WIS 13, CHA 13
 
 
AC: 24 Fort: 20 Ref: 23 Will: 22
HP: 76 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 19
 
TRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +11, Bluff +12, Endurance +11, Heal +13, Insight +15, Nature +13, Perception +13, Religion +11
 
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +9, Athletics +6, Diplomacy +10, Dungeoneering +9, History +7, Intimidate +8, Stealth +9, Streetwise +8, Thievery +9
 
POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Bard Feature: Majestic Word
Bard Feature: Words of Friendship
Shaman Feature: Call Spirit Companion
Shaman Feature: Spirit's Shield
Shaman Feature: Speak with Spirits
Ardent Feature: Ardent Surge
Artificer Feature: Healing Infusion: Resistive Formula
Artificer Feature: Healing Infusion: Curative Admixture
Ranger Attack 1: Twin Strike
Bard Attack 1: Misdirected Mark
Bard Attack 1: Words of Gravity
Bard Attack 1: Firemetal Shot
Bard Attack 1: Saga of Rivalry
Bard Utility 2: Beguiling Ballad
Bard Attack 3: Echoing Weapon
Bard Attack 5: Scathing Rebuke
Bard Utility 6: Ode to Sacrifice
Bard Attack 7: Insightful Shot
Bard Attack 9: Rain of Starlight
Bard Utility 10: Mantle of Unity
Traveler's Harlequin Attack 11: Traveler's Mummery
 
FEATS
Bravura Leader
Level 1: Ritual Caster
Level 2: Spirit Talker
Level 4: Fervent Talent
Level 6: Barreling Charge
Level 10: Wintertouched
Level 11: Lasting Frost
Level 11: Student of Artifice
Level 11: Versatile Master
 
ITEMS
Ritual Book
Banish Vermin
Glib Limerick
Frost Shortbow +2 x1
Agile Chainmail +2 x1
Absence Amulet +3 x1
====== End ======
But you don't charge with the shortbow, and so you clearly must be sub-optimal... :P
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Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman/Fighter and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that


You need to have Thicket of Blades to be more optimal.
Ugh, so true. But can I charge with Thicket of Blades?
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You can charge with any power that has a gold rating.
Really? So can I charge with Magic Weapon...Oh wait, its not gold. Damn...
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I checked you cant charge with Howling Strike either Cry
You can only use ToB on a charge if you are charging into a cube of tiny pixies.  Get your facts straight kiddos.
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Improvised weapon shortbow charging!
The shortbow has to be bladed so it Cuts.
Does a bladed shortbow work with ToB, or do you need a more badass weapon?
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I wonder if this can compete with my charging wizard...

guides
List of no-action attacks.
Dynamic vs Static Bonuses
Phalanx tactics and builds
Crivens! A Pictsies Guide Good
Power
s to intentionally miss with
Mr. Cellophane: How to be unnoticed
Way's to fire around corners
Crits: what their really worth
Retroactive bonus vs Static bonus.
Runepriest handbook & discussion thread
Holy Symbols to hang around your neck
Ways to Gain or Downgrade Actions
List of bonuses to saving throws
The Ghost with the Most (revenant handbook)
my builds
F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter. With some warlord stuff. Broken in a plot way, not a power way.

Thought Switch Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1. If your allies play along, it's broken.

Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation. 5 of these will end anything. Broken.

King Fisher Optimized net user.  Moderate.

Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.

Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit. Overpowered.

Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.

Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.

Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.

Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.

Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.

Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.

Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.  One of THE most abusive character in 4e.

Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.

Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.

Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.

Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.

Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.

The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.

Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power.

Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken.

Rune of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.

Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.

Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.

Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight with items, making it far more broken.

Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.

Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones. Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.

You can charge with ToB all day, as its a daily. So CLEARLY it wins against a wizard!
10/10 Would Flame Again: An Elite Paladin|Warlock The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed The Bookish Barbarian Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different That's right. Rules According to Zelink!
I think Sleep with Hellsworn Blessing would give ToB some real competition when charging.
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.

Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking  
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.

Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking  

Tome of Battle 

guides
List of no-action attacks.
Dynamic vs Static Bonuses
Phalanx tactics and builds
Crivens! A Pictsies Guide Good
Power
s to intentionally miss with
Mr. Cellophane: How to be unnoticed
Way's to fire around corners
Crits: what their really worth
Retroactive bonus vs Static bonus.
Runepriest handbook & discussion thread
Holy Symbols to hang around your neck
Ways to Gain or Downgrade Actions
List of bonuses to saving throws
The Ghost with the Most (revenant handbook)
my builds
F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter. With some warlord stuff. Broken in a plot way, not a power way.

Thought Switch Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1. If your allies play along, it's broken.

Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation. 5 of these will end anything. Broken.

King Fisher Optimized net user.  Moderate.

Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.

Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit. Overpowered.

Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.

Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.

Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.

Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.

Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.

Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.

Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.  One of THE most abusive character in 4e.

Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.

Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.

Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.

Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.

Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.

The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.

Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power.

Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken.

Rune of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.

Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.

Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.

Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight with items, making it far more broken.

Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.

Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones. Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.

I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.

Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking  



Thicket of Blades.  The fact that this power isn't gold in your mind depresses me.
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I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.

Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking  

Tome of Battle 



Now and forever, amen.

I do love that ToB is where the REAL Thicket of Blades comes from. And that stance was build-definingly awesome. How the mighty have fallen.