The Oil, the Spark and the Blind Eternities

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Since we want to keep the Brady thread free from debate and this looks like it could probably go on for a while longer, I thought I would spin it off into it's own thread, if everyone is happy to leave it be then this can simply get lost in the mists of the archive.

Though I have to say, I find the debate interesting. 

How does the nature of a Neowalker's spark protect them from potential corruption from the Phyrexian Oil?

DOES it even do this? 
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I think Wintermute first and foremost used it as plot armor, which had conveniently protected the oldwalkers in earlier stories. If there is indeed an internal consistency to be found, it's largely coincidental, contradicting other sources, and perhaps requiring a good deal of metaphoric tension.

But that's just the obvious statement.


Maybe sparks are the metaphysical Yin's to the glistening oil'/Phyrexian Yang in the multiverse? Presupposing that the future isn't actually nondetermined, they are immune to the rules of the matrix, and Yawgmoth and Karn both succeeded in destroying Zion in an earlier reality. Nope, I can't make heads or tails of it personally.
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Actually, I have a Karn question:

So, as I remember it, Karn was a cool silver golem that Urza created to go back in time and be all "terminator" on the Phyrexians before they become too powerful and killed off all the Thran (this was mostly Urza's flawed understanding of history because he thought the Thran and the Phyrexians were two different things when they were, in fact, the same thing).  Anyway, so Karn gets all sentient and such when Urza adds Xantcha's Phyrexian newt heart into the mix.  Then he goes on a grand adventure with the crew of the Weatherlight wherein he collects and incorporates several of the most powerful artifacts of the multiverse into himself as well, becoming part of the Legacy Weapon.  This all culminates in him getting Urza's powerstone eyes and becoming the first artificially created 'Walker.

Now, in Time Spiral, we see Karn give up his Spark to close the Tolarian rift and then get taken over by the Phyrexian oil that is already inside of him.  Next time we see him he's a mad gibbering "Father of Machines" that only gets better when Venser shows up and force feeds him a new heart full of Spark, thus killing Venser and putting the oil back in check.

So, my question is:  If Karn's been a vessel for the oil from the time he's had Xantcha's heart, why was it dormant for so long and why did it wait until he became a 'Walker (and then suddenly stopped being a 'Walker) to go active?

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If Karn's been a vessel for the oil from the time he's had Xantcha's heart, why was it dormant for so long and why did it wait until he became a 'Walker (and then suddenly stopped being a 'Walker) to go active?


Yeaaaaa... That's the single "issue." It could be setup that the oil wasn't introduced until the heartstone was cracked (ensuring Karn didn't remember EVERYTHING that happened to him), but even then, it was a long time before the Spark contained within the stones was part of him. I have no problem with the oil being the contageon - that works fine, and simplifies the events and phyrexian story (one element rather than two), but Xancha's heartstone being the source that corrupts Mirrodin and Karn has that one glaring problem with it - the timeline issue.
Since we want to keep the Brady thread free from debate and this looks like it could probably go on for a while longer, I thought I would spin it off into it's own thread, if everyone is happy to leave it be then this can simply get lost in the mists of the archive.

Though I have to say, I find the debate interesting. 

How does the nature of a Neowalker's spark protect them from potential corruption from the Phyrexian Oil?

DOES it even do this? 


Yay, I'm glad there's a place to discuss. Thanks for making the new thread.
Since the Spark's nature was only changed away from being a source of mana and still retains the anchoring-of-self that is the most important part, the neo-walkers, as well as we players, are safe from the mind suppressing influence of the oil. Like before, the body is susuptable to the nature of the infection when push comes to shove, but having the Spark allows some protection and reversion of the effects. We haven't seen a 'walker like Jace become really infected however - maybe something more with Tezzeret will come about, but knowing the capabilites the Spark still provides the 'walker with a way to not be devastated by the contageon.
Even with the Spark the mind can be scrambled like an egg, this is true. But mixed up or shattered is different than subjugation. I'm not sure why there is a difference - maybe the vile nature of enslavement is why the Spark protects against it. But Karn's experience in "Planar Chaos" showed us that having the Spark as the core of one's being protects from the oil and without it you can be corrupted by it - body and mind.
Also, if normal poster aren't supposed to be posting here I apologize. Don't want trouble, just like Lore. I'll happily move to another thread if need be.



Then I don't think you understand how the oil works on beings.
It doesn't subjugate, it corrupts.
It whispers the glories of Phyrexia in the ear of whoever is around. It never forcefully rewrites, it just drives them insane. I cite a multitude of the Mirran War Reports to demonstrate this. There's also the years and years that Karn, without a spark, sat gibbering in Mirrodin's core. If the oil just mind-controlled anybody that was infected, Karn should have been a goner, but that isn't how the oil did what it does.

Aside from that, the walkers are STILL protected from the physical aspects, which doesn't have anything to do with the spark's supposed mental shield. And no, it isn't because they can purge themselves. Like I pointed out, the only one capable of that is Melira.

And you're pulling this whole "spark protects from mental domination" out of nowhere. You're making it up, and it irritates me that you're trying to pass it off as fact. Bolas directly dominates Tezzeret in Test of Metal. Tezzeret created a device he believed would mind control Jace in Agents of Artifice. This idea you have is made up. Walkers aren't somehow bulletproof from mental attack because of the spark. The spark only protects them in the blind eternities (and apparently from the oil.)
You're stating "if X then Y, so then if Y also Z." With no proof that "If X then Z."
And even then, you ignore Urza being dominated by Yawgmoth. It had nothing to do with the Oil, since it didn't function in that way at that point.

Don't get me started on how bad the Xatncha's Hearstone thing is. That's a whoooole other thread worth of complaint.
From the sounds of things, the Spark is basically an enhancement for the immune system. Keeps the Planeswalkers from picking up all sorts of random colds on Plane A and turning them into plagues on Plane B. The oil is mostly a viral based organic weapons system, so the the enhanced immune systems on the planeswalkers have no problem dealing with it.

As for Karn and the ime line, the problem only occurs from a very narrow timeline. Karn didn't come back and infect Mirrodin after Time Spiral, the infection started way back when. He gets pretty busted up during his adventures with the Weatherlight and everything else, and its supposed to be some point during his travels that the heart gets cracked and starts leaking. On Dominaria it goe pretty much unnoticed (since there are still plenty of Phyrexian artifacts still leaking oil all over the place) but at some point Karn leaves some behind in the core on Mirrodin. (I don't recall if it was supposed to have started when Mirrodin was first formed or when Karn returned at the end of Fifth Dawn). Karn is on Dominaria working at the Academy and traveling while the infection is spreading through the core. There's several more decades between that and when he returns to Mirrodin at the end of Time Spiral. At that point the Phyrexian factions are all ready and set to go with the invasion of the surface. He gets captured by the Praetors, who hail Karn as their version of the Father of Machines, and use his ramblings as he fights the infection as a sign to kick off the events of Scars block.
As for Karn and the ime line, the problem only occurs from a very narrow timeline. Karn didn't come back and infect Mirrodin after Time Spiral, the infection started way back when. He gets pretty busted up during his adventures with the Weatherlight and everything else, and its supposed to be some point during his travels that the heart gets cracked and starts leaking. On Dominaria it goe pretty much unnoticed (since there are still plenty of Phyrexian artifacts still leaking oil all over the place) but at some point Karn leaves some behind in the core on Mirrodin. (I don't recall if it was supposed to have started when Mirrodin was first formed or when Karn returned at the end of Fifth Dawn). Karn is on Dominaria working at the Academy and traveling while the infection is spreading through the core. There's several more decades between that and when he returns to Mirrodin at the end of Time Spiral. At that point the Phyrexian factions are all ready and set to go with the invasion of the surface. He gets captured by the Praetors, who hail Karn as their version of the Father of Machines, and use his ramblings as he fights the infection as a sign to kick off the events of Scars block.

I read all of this, but I feel that somehow it didn't actually answer my question...

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@biotech66 aren't you the boss anyway? isn't "DO IT OR I FIRE YOU!" still an option?

@mikemearls I think Perkins would throat punch me if I ever tried that. And I'd give him a glowing quarterly review for it.

From the sounds of things, the Spark is basically an enhancement for the immune system. Keeps the Planeswalkers from picking up all sorts of random colds on Plane A and turning them into plagues on Plane B. The oil is mostly a viral based organic weapons system, so the the enhanced immune systems on the planeswalkers have no problem dealing with it.



I was willing to accept basically everything you said, and extend it to any manner of 'corruption'.

and then...

Now, I'm not entirely sure what to think.
I read all of this, but I feel that somehow it didn't actually answer my question...



All right, then to break it down in more detail.

Urza builds Karn to fight the Phyrexians, and includes Xantcha's heart. At this point Karn now has the oil inside of him, but its contained by Karn's various systems and redundancies, and therefore can't affect him or the others around him.

Karn goes on a series of adventures, and gain's Urza's spark. Sometime at or after the end of Invasion the heart gets cracked and starts leaking oil. This goes unnoticed because Urza's spark keeps the oil from affecting Karn, and he's spending most of his time on Dominaria, where he's dealing with plenty of left overs from the war that are also leaking oil. If anyone gets infected while around him, the others just shrug and figure the person wasn't wearing thick enough gloves or whatever. Some time during this period Karn returns to Mirrodin, where he leaves some oil behind by accident. That oil begins infecting the core and the systems near it, including Glissa.

Several decades later the events of Time Spiral occur. Karn sacrifices Urza's spark to seal a rift and decides to retire to Mirrodin. When he arrives in the core he is captured by the new generation of Phyrexians who hail him as the new Father of Machines. They start pumping more oil in him, but the systems that Urza originally installed to keep the oil from Xantcha's heart from infecting him fight back. This makes Karn delirious, and they use his ramblins as a sign to kick off the attack on the surface. As he gets crazier the factions use his rantings as cause for their various splits. Eventually Venser arrives and sacrifices his spark to purge Karn once again, and Karn starts going postal on the Phyrexians alongside Koth and Elspeth, who are now (apparently) determined not to leave until Mirrodin is free.

From the sounds of things, the Spark is basically an enhancement for the immune system. Keeps the Planeswalkers from picking up all sorts of random colds on Plane A and turning them into plagues on Plane B. The oil is mostly a viral based organic weapons system, so the the enhanced immune systems on the planeswalkers have no problem dealing with it.



I was willing to accept basically everything you said, and extend it to any manner of 'corruption'.

and then...

Now, I'm not entirely sure what to think.



To be fair, that was a curse laid down from one 'Walker to another; not some oily bug  or contagion that goes around making people cough when tourism season opens up on the 4th Sphere.

@mikemearls The office is basically empty this week, which opens up all sorts of possibilities for low shenanigans

@mikemearls In essence, all those arguments I lost are being unlost. Won, if you will. We're doing it MY way, baby.

@biotech66 aren't you the boss anyway? isn't "DO IT OR I FIRE YOU!" still an option?

@mikemearls I think Perkins would throat punch me if I ever tried that. And I'd give him a glowing quarterly review for it.

All right, then to break it down in more detail.

That seems clear enough, though it tests my suspension of disbelief that Karn wouldn't notice that one of his most vital components is cracked and that he also now appears to be leaking small amounts of contagion and death in his wake.  He may not notice the effects right off, and Karn is a metal man possibly devoid of physical feeling, but if something in me breaks and starts leaking, I'd like to think I'd notice.

@mikemearls The office is basically empty this week, which opens up all sorts of possibilities for low shenanigans

@mikemearls In essence, all those arguments I lost are being unlost. Won, if you will. We're doing it MY way, baby.

@biotech66 aren't you the boss anyway? isn't "DO IT OR I FIRE YOU!" still an option?

@mikemearls I think Perkins would throat punch me if I ever tried that. And I'd give him a glowing quarterly review for it.

The immune system theory is... well, one of those can of worms that if we really open it up, it'll explode into something like the Language issue. It's an elephant in the room, nobody pay attention to it.

As for Garruk and his curse, that isn't a physical ailment. Certainly it has a physical aspect, but looking through the comics, it looks to be a spiritual ailment. And if you want to talk corruption, vampirism would fall under that too, so Sorin Markov shouldn't work. He does though.

@Deckhopper: The infection took root basically as soon as he took Jeska on as an apprentice. The oil influenced Memnarch and inspired him to start that entire tirade, but he never succumbed to it and actively fought the mycosynth that grew up. When the 'synth lattice reached the core, it got UNLIMITED POOOOOWER and started things in earnest, but that was after Memnarch was defeated and before Karn gave up his spark.

And... Karn never did anything at any Academy aside from travel back in time to shut the rift.

@In General: A bit of a further rebuttal that the spark protects from mental tampering. Tezzeret's mind was wiped out completely and if that doesn't count as mental manipulation I don't know what does. In Test of Metal, both Baltrice and Tezzeret both had their personalities rewritten by mental tweaking (which is akin to what the oil does. Like I said, no oily meat puppets. It corrupts.) by Jace and Bolas respectively. They were forcibly and PERMANENTLY altered.

@Azure: Yeah... that's one of the hardest bits of the retcon to swallow. Along with the fact that the heartstone was a SOLID CRYSTAL and not full of oil.


I was willing to accept basically everything you said, and extend it to any manner of 'corruption'.

and then...

Now, I'm not entirely sure what to think.



To be fair...

The curse Liliana laid on Garruk is not only from another Planeswalker, but a curse that was boosted by the power of the Chain Veil as well. Despite that, Garruk is still fighting it. It hasn't consumed him completely, and he seems to be able to resist the majority of the effect as long as his emotions don't run too high. Whether that's because of his spark or just because its Garruk, that I leave open to debate.
The immune system theory is... well, one of those can of worms that if we really open it up, it'll explode into something like the Language issue. It's an elephant in the room, nobody pay attention to it.

As for Garruk and his curse, that isn't a physical ailment. Certainly it has a physical aspect, but looking through the comics, it looks to be a spiritual ailment. And if you want to talk corruption, vampirism would fall under that too, so Sorin Markov shouldn't work. He does though.

@Deckhopper: The infection took root basically as soon as he took Jeska on as an apprentice. The oil influenced Memnarch and inspired him to start that entire tirade, but he never succumbed to it and actively fought the mycosynth that grew up. When the 'synth lattice reached the core, it got UNLIMITED POOOOOWER and started things in earnest, but that was after Memnarch was defeated and before Karn gave up his spark.

And... Karn never did anything at any Academy aside from travel back in time to shut the rift.




I was under the impression that he worked/taught at whatever Academy it was Venser had studied at. I could swear Venser made some mention of Karn being his teacher there. Probably not the Tolarian Academy, but whatever sprung up to eventually replace it.

I was under the impression that he worked/taught at whatever Academy it was Venser had studied at. I could swear Venser made some mention of Karn being his teacher there. Probably not the Tolarian Academy, but whatever sprung up to eventually replace it.




No, that was a prime example of wintermute "did not do the research."
To begin with, Karn knew Venser for about... a weekend. They only barely knew each other in passing during Planar Chaos. Most of that time, Venser was trying to convince Karn to help him get into Jhoira's pants.
Next up is the fact that Venser was self taught, and never attended any academy. In part because there was no academy in Urborg TO attend. Artifice was punishable by death at the hands of Lord Windgrace's Gladehunters. Windgrace didn't want anything even remotely like the Phyrexians to rise again, so he took special care to nip all of that at the root.
Additionally, if you look at the fact Venser got hooked on Blinkmoth Serum you'd know something was wrong. Blinkmoth Serum was ONLY found on Mirrodin, and according to the list of ingredients that wintermute made up, included things not found on Mirrodin, including stuff that came from Zendikar.

Wintermute never tried to keep his details straight when he worked with established characters. It's a good thing Nissa and Sorin had no prior lore for him to muck up in Teeth of Akoum, but there was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much he got wrong in Quest for Karn.

As it is, Creative made up the mentor/student relationship alluded to between Karn and Venser.
Fair enough then, I take back the bit about Karn being in an Academy.
(The Spark) Keeps the Planeswalkers from picking up all sorts of random colds on Plane A and turning them into plagues on Plane B.


Even if Barinellos doesn't want to talk about it, we have to assume the Spark grants one immunity to all mundane diseases and infections at the very least. And it also probably sterilizes all your clothing and posessions. Otherwise every planeswalker would leave interdimensional superplagues in their wake everywhere they went, all the time. You may think diseases crossing continents on Earth has lead to some catastrophes, but this would be on a whole new level.

Either that, or...

Every plane seems to have the same kind of humans, the same kind of vedalken, the same kind of wolves, the same kind of spectres, the same ornithopter designs, etc. Who's to say that most microbes don't come from the same cosmic cookie cutters the planes get half their other flora and fauna from?
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Sure, "the average person" might go see Transformers 3 if s/he wants a good story, but that doesn't stop people from making decent movies. Hell, they even managed to make Batman into a respectable movie. "The average" person might like American Idol or Jersey Shore, but people still made The Wire.
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I think the people who would sit down and listen to a minstrel reciting Homer, or thought that novels were art, or read poetry were always a minority. It's a common viewpoint that art was better in the past because everyone's forgotten the bad stuff, while we haven't had time to forget the awful stuff that is current.
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For almost all Magic fans, the "story" of Ravnica, for example, is that it's a city world with ten guilds -- yes, for most, that's a "story." All but a tiny fraction of the fan base are entirely unaware of an elaborate plot perpetrated by Augustin IV to trick Agrus Kos and Szadek into breaking the Guildpact, thereby enabling the Azorius to take control. Likewise, the vast majority of Magic players don't know who Harbin is, or Nivea, or Al-Hayat, or Feather, or Jared Carthalion, or Rebbec, or Zagorka ... the list goes on and on.
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I'm pulling this out of nowhere and it has nothing like fact attached to it, but it cannot be disproven without breaking the fourth wall, and this is going to be my headcanon because it makes perfect sense. I posit [Tamiyo, the Moon Sage] writes the Planeswalker's Guides to planes.
And one more thing...
CANON is the collected events and details of a fictional work that come directly from its author or someone with equal authority to the author. CANNON is a weapon that fires metal balls at a target, usually a structure or a crowd of enemy combatants. Every time you confuse the two, I'm forced to break one of my own fingers.
Even if Barinellos doesn't want to talk about it, we have to assume the Spark grants one immunity to all mundane diseases and infections at the very least. And it also probably sterilizes all your clothing and posessions. Otherwise every planeswalker would leave interdimensional superplagues in their wake everywhere they went, all the time. You may think diseases crossing continents on Earth has lead to some catastrophes, but this would be on a whole new level.

Either that, or...

Every plane seems to have the same kind of humans, the same kind of vedalken, the same kind of wolves, the same kind of spectres, the same ornithopter designs, etc. Who's to say that most microbes don't come from the same cosmic cookie cutters the planes get half their other flora and fauna from?



I'm telling you, this is the language issue all over again. No good can come from trying to work out this out. In part because it then immediately brings up the issue of the fact that there aren't any intercontinental plagues spread on the same plane in any history we have.
Just like the language thing, I don't think it behooves us to look closely at this.
I think the War of Worlds disease syndrome falls in the same ballpark as the language barrier issue;

It doesn't matter until it does.

We're supposed to kindly ignore Jace being an accidental angel of death to thirty seven different planes the same way we're supposed to ignore Jace speaking fluent whateverese on thirty seven different planes, for the sake of a smooth narrative.

There's only so many times such a story could or would be interesting.

Edit: Royally nath'd.
Have we ever seen natural deseases in Magic? I'm really asking, because I don't know much of the old lore, but have we? Is it possible there aren't any natural diseases in the multiverse?

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Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
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You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
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I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
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When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
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How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
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The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
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1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
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One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
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why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
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You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
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Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
58232598 wrote:
88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
143211137 wrote:
57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
147137503 wrote:
77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

JustTerrorIt wrote:

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

Have we ever seen natural deseases in Magic? I'm really asking, because I don't know much of the old lore, but have we? Is it possible there aren't any natural diseases in the multiverse?



There are, but it isn't something that's tackled often. The most notable example I can think of is in Loran's Smile in Colors of Magic.
Besides that, Ravnica is well documented as having plagues, but I wouldn't know to call those natural or not. The Simic had a nasty habit of tampering with things.
(The Spark) Keeps the Planeswalkers from picking up all sorts of random colds on Plane A and turning them into plagues on Plane B.



Every plane seems to have the same kind of humans, the same kind of vedalken, the same kind of wolves, the same kind of spectres, the same ornithopter designs, etc. Who's to say that most microbes don't come from the same cosmic cookie cutters the planes get half their other flora and fauna from?



Planeswalkers are like multiversal bees, they take pollen from one plane to another on their clothing and thus produce the same sort of plants across the multiverse.

Because everyone needed the image of Garruk in a bumblebee outfit.

100th post 29/01/12 500th post 19/05/12 1000th post 19/07/12 How many planeswalkers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
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Better question, what does Nicol Bolas want with the lightbulb?
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I can now die happy.
Have we ever seen natural deseases in Magic? I'm really asking, because I don't know much of the old lore, but have we? Is it possible there aren't any natural diseases in the multiverse?



There are, but it isn't something that's tackled often. The most notable example I can think of is in Loran's Smile in Colors of Magic.
Besides that, Ravnica is well documented as having plagues, but I wouldn't know to call those natural or not. The Simic had a nasty habit of tampering with things.



Maybe plagues are far less problematic, then. Less contagious.

Thinking about it, I realize that with all the different species in the multiverse, we can't apply our world in there. A disease that affects Elves wouldn't necessarily affect Goblins, or Merfolks, or Humans. Also, Elves from Lorwyn and Elves from Dominaria don't have the same metabolism. Maybe disease do get around, but don't affect the living species where they end up?

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76783093 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
58331438 wrote:
56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
57471038 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
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to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
58232598 wrote:
88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
143211137 wrote:
57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
147137503 wrote:
77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

JustTerrorIt wrote:

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

I don't know much about passage through the blind eternities, but would it kill off contagiouns? would they be able to survive the transition?
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I don't know much about passage through the blind eternities, but would it kill off contagiouns? would they be able to survive the transition?



Well since the planeswalkers themselves survive the bilnd eternities, i'd imagine any organic material on them also would survive. I mean, logistically, if i killed off every cell in your body that doesn't have your DNA, you'd die. Because there are alot of helpful bacteria and such inside you.
… and then, the squirrels came.
Have we ever seen natural deseases in Magic? I'm really asking, because I don't know much of the old lore, but have we? Is it possible there aren't any natural diseases in the multiverse?



There are, but it isn't something that's tackled often. The most notable example I can think of is in Loran's Smile in Colors of Magic.
Besides that, Ravnica is well documented as having plagues, but I wouldn't know to call those natural or not. The Simic had a nasty habit of tampering with things.



Maybe plagues are far less problematic, then. Less contagious.

Thinking about it, I realize that with all the different species in the multiverse, we can't apply our world in there. A disease that affects Elves wouldn't necessarily affect Goblins, or Merfolks, or Humans. Also, Elves from Lorwyn and Elves from Dominaria don't have the same metabolism. Maybe disease do get around, but don't affect the living species where they end up?

This is actually backed up by Invasion in that The Ineffable created highly specialized plagues for each race. As far as I know, there was no plague that indiscriminately could wipe all races out with the kind of specialized intensity of the race plagues (which were so powerful that they could liquify bodies in a matter of seconds when individuals were exposed to a strong enough dose). The plagues do all have a common root, as evidenced by the fact that Sisay was able to use Hannah's infection to produce an antidote, but I can't remember a universal plague as powerful as the specialized branches, which suggests to me that there are fundamental differences between the races that prevents such transference...

There are definitely natural plagues, though. Remember that the Worldspell was just as devastating, in some ways, as the Sylix Blast: the sudden thaw of Dominaria unleashed all sorts of nasty diseases.

@Skibo:

It makes the whole No Companions rule a little weird, though. I guess if companions are small enough? But then could Molcru imprint someone's mind into a bunch of microbes and bring them with him? Should Beast Engine ever find out about this possibility?




For the record, I still refuse to believe the cracked heartstone thing. It's idiotic. Oh, and it disgraces Xantcha's memory, and DAMMIT I WANT A CHARACTER WITH WEIRD SEXUALITY THAT ISN'T A METAPHORIC OR LITERAL PLAGUEBEARER. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?! Ugh. Sorry. It just frustrates me when a bad author denegrates the work of a good author, and Xantcha is, for Reasons, very close to my heart.
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It makes the whole No Companions rule a little weird, though. I guess if companions are small enough? But then could Molcru imprint someone's mind into a bunch of microbes and bring them with him? Should Beast Engine ever find out about this possibility?



Bacteria are pretty hardy, they can survive in the vaccum of space and inside boiling water. IT would not surprise me if they could survive where normal people would die.

Of course that would mean that a hardy companion would be able to survive the blind eternities. Also... artifact creatures.
… and then, the squirrels came.
And then Tezzeret builds K-9.

Edit: Actually Karn makes more sense.
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For the record, I still refuse to believe the cracked heartstone thing. It's idiotic. Oh, and it disgraces Xantcha's memory, and DAMMIT I WANT A CHARACTER WITH WEIRD SEXUALITY THAT ISN'T A METAPHORIC OR LITERAL PLAGUEBEARER. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?! Ugh. Sorry. It just frustrates me when a bad author denegrates the work of a good author, and Xantcha is, for Reasons, very close to my heart.



Why is a physical object getting damaged a disgrace to someone's memory? Especially when that item is part of a golem that does things like stare down Primeval dragons and help hurl moons at god like beings?

On the second note, define "Weird sexuality" and I'll see what I can do.
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For the record, I still refuse to believe the cracked heartstone thing. It's idiotic. Oh, and it disgraces Xantcha's memory, and DAMMIT I WANT A CHARACTER WITH WEIRD SEXUALITY THAT ISN'T A METAPHORIC OR LITERAL PLAGUEBEARER. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?! Ugh. Sorry. It just frustrates me when a bad author denegrates the work of a good author, and Xantcha is, for Reasons, very close to my heart.



Why is a physical object getting damaged a disgrace to someone's memory? Especially when that item is part of a golem that does things like stare down Primeval dragons and help hurl moons at god like beings?

On the second note, define "Weird sexuality" and I'll see what I can do.


Because phyrexian heartstones NEVER had oil in them until the Scars of Mirrodin retcon, which was only used to make Karn the source of the Phyrexian Oil. By making Xantcha's heartstone responsible for the contagion (which doesn't make sense if you just stop to think about it; why would such a contagion exist at the beginning of Phyrexia but never be used?), it puts all of New Phyrexia on her, which is absolutely a disgrace to her memory. And it's not like they didn't already have a perfectly reasonable explanation in place for the presence of the Phyrexian Oil on Mirrodin. But for no reason, they decided to scrap the one already in place and come up with a much more frustrating one.
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And it's not like they didn't already have a perfectly reasonable explanation in place for the presence of the Phyrexian Oil on Mirrodin. But for no reason, they decided to scrap the one already in place and come up with a much more frustrating one.



I think they wanted to give an easy explaination of how Phyrexians can spring up on random planes. And probably wanted to guilt trip Karn.
… and then, the squirrels came.

Because phyrexian heartstones NEVER had oil in them until the Scars of Mirrodin retcon, which was only used to make Karn the source of the Phyrexian Oil. By making Xantcha's heartstone responsible for the contagion (which doesn't make sense if you just stop to think about it; why would such a contagion exist at the beginning of Phyrexia but never be used?), it puts all of New Phyrexia on her, which is absolutely a disgrace to her memory. And it's not like they didn't already have a perfectly reasonable explanation in place for the presence of the Phyrexian Oil on Mirrodin. But for no reason, they decided to scrap the one already in place and come up with a much more frustrating one.



My bad, I was focusing more on the "It broke" aspect, which seemed perfectly natural  to me considering how often and how many things have blown up on or near Karn in his life.

Yeah, I mean, even then... the problem is inherent in the name. Heart stone. It's a rock. A magic...

...

rock.

...

Oh my god, did they design Venser's death as a way of getting back at Barinellos? Seriously, think about it: they replaced a magic rock... with a magic rock. Mind = Blown.
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Yeah, I mean, even then... the problem is inherent in the name. Heart stone. It's a rock. A magic...

...

rock.

...

Oh my god, did they design Venser's death as a way of getting back at Barinellos? Seriously, think about it: they replaced a magic rock... with a magic rock. Mind = Blown.



If they did, they did a poor job of it considering they put it in his CHEST instead of his HEAD.
Because someone forgot the  Heartstone was his BRAIN and not a MEATY PUMP for blood that he DOESN'T HAVE.
Still, you can't deny that if we call Venser by the name you've given him, it's an exact equal trade. It's just only one that works as a sardonic pun.

Yup, I am now forevermore going to believe that the end of Quest for Karn was a giant stealth Take That aimed specifically at Barinellos. [nods]
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Still, you can't deny that if we call Venser by the name you've given him, it's an exact equal trade. It's just only one that works as a sardonic pun.

Yup, I am now forevermore going to believe that the end of Quest for Karn was a giant stealth Take That aimed specifically at Barinellos. [nods]



Just like Frogmite not being a frog was a slight at Werefrog.

Wizards what do you have against the Storyline community?
… and then, the squirrels came.
Still, you can't deny that if we call Venser by the name you've given him, it's an exact equal trade. It's just only one that works as a sardonic pun.

Yup, I am now forevermore going to believe that the end of Quest for Karn was a giant stealth Take That aimed specifically at Barinellos. [nods]



Actually, that was Eid's name for him. I just perpetuated it.
Of course, if you continue to say it was a take that, let me just illustrate THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I GET ANGRY.
If I give you cookies can I not be sacrificed to an oversized bird perch?
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Still, you can't deny that if we call Venser by the name you've given him, it's an exact equal trade. It's just only one that works as a sardonic pun.

Yup, I am now forevermore going to believe that the end of Quest for Karn was a giant stealth Take That aimed specifically at Barinellos. [nods]



Just like Frogmite not being a frog was a slight at Werefrog.

Wizards what do you have against the Storyline community?

See? They DO hate us!

@Barinellos:

Hm, even though Eid came up with it, I think it still has to be targetted at you. After all, they already dedicated an entire trilogy to making Eid miserable.

It was called Time Spiral.
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