Assassin's Shroud - Corner Cases

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Hit some interesting corner cases with assassin's shroud last night that I'm looking for some insights on.

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If you invoke your shrouds, the attack deals 1d6 damage per shroud, minus one shroud if the attack misses, and all your shrouds then vanish from the target. This damage roll never benefits from bonuses to damage rolls, and is in addition to the attack’s damage, if any.


Shroud damage is not explicitly referred to as "extra damage".  (By avoiding the game term "extra damage", the miss clause works and makes sense (in most cases).)  However we're a little foggy on whether the shroud damage is still somehow embedded in the attack's damage, or if it's a separate damage instance.

To wit: what happens in the following scenarios?

  1. Target has a shroud on it; assassin in invokes shrouds and rolls a critical hit.  Shroud damage is maximized or not?

  2. Target is a minion who has 2 shrouds on it; assassin invokes shrouds but misses.  Minion takes no damage or 1 shroud (and dies)?

  3. Target has DR and has a shroud on it; assassin invokes shrouds.  DR is applied to the total damage or the power's damage and shroud damage separately?



Returned from hiatus; getting up to speed on 5e rules lawyering.

It's all part of your attack's damage, if any. It's maxed on crits, won't kill a minion on a miss, and counts as part of your attack's damage when subtracting DR.
So it's basically Extra Damage without being called "Extra Damage"?  Is there precedent for this kind of thing, or is it a unique artifact of this power's odd wording?

Returned from hiatus; getting up to speed on 5e rules lawyering.

So it's basically Extra Damage without being called "Extra Damage"?  Is there precedent for this kind of thing, or is it a unique artifact of this power's odd wording?


You're reading too much into the phrasing. "In addition to the attack's damage" just means that you're adding it to the damage of the attack, rather than replacing it.
Got it.  Thanks to you both. 

Returned from hiatus; getting up to speed on 5e rules lawyering.

Is there precedent for this kind of thing, or is it a unique artifact of this power's odd wording?



Yes. Assassin Shroud's damage differ from an Extra damage in that it can be invoked on an Attack Power that deal no damage where Extra Damage effect wouldn't.
 
Assassin's Shroud: This damage roll never benefits from bonuses to damage rolls, and is in addition to the attack’s damage, if any.  

Extra Damage: Many powers and other effects grant the ability to deal extra damage. Extra damage is always in addition to other damage. This means an attack that deals no damage, such as the wizard power sleep, can’t deal extra damage.
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