Custom M13 Set Community Draft

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Let's do a community draft using a custom Core set!

This is a fan M13 set that uses the Kird Ape mechanic as the returning mechanic. There will be real drafters drafting for the other seats. I hope you guys enjoy this. While it's still at a very unpolished stage, it could be fun as a kind of wacky draft with unknown cards.

*If you are interested in the set, there's more info at Goblin Artisans.
*I posted this thread here because I would like to present the set to draft enthusiasts, but if it happens that this thread doesn't belong in this forum, I would be grateful if the moderators could move it to the You Make the Card forum. (We donate all of these ideas to Wizards of the Coast, whether it's posted here or on YmtC).
*We'll be grateful for any comments, but if you suggest any specific designs or card tweaks, please only do so with suggestions that you don't mind us using and offering to Wizards of the Coast!
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All right, here's Pack 1, Pick 1:
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Ghostly Mentor.

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Lots of good picks, including CKY's pick.  The bomb looks really damaging and I also like the U/W flyer for 4cmc.  The pirate could also be good but it's the kind of card I would take later in the draft.

I'll also go with Ghostly Mentor, 4 power in black + 2 cards is just great.
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I'm going to say Gorger Hydra because that thing is just mean.
I think I agree it is between those 3.  Not knowing how archetypes set up, we probably shouldn't go Pteron, since its the only U/W skies card here...

Mentor is amazingly powerful, probably constructed worthy, as a 3-1 with a marginal drawback.  Hydra is a near game-ender, but I'm not sure it can turn around a game you're losing, especially against something like an Air Elemental.

I'm going Mentor, but I have no problem with any of those.
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ghostly mentor looks fun..
Ghostly Mentor gets my vote, but I wouldn't mind the Hydra if it goes that way.
Ghostly Mentor was chosen.

The next pack isn't as strong as the first one, but there's more room for discussion!

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Best cards are the Howling Silverback and Champion of Purity (who should be an elephant like every other loxodons (loxodon gatekeeper)).  But neither of those cards are as good as our first pick and both stretches in other directions colorwise.  I'll just pick the 1 damage burn spell with cantrip, Runebrand.
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Howling Silverback

Green looks good in this core set.
First instinct is Runebrand.  However, I realize I haven't seen a lot of 1-toughness.  I'm not ready to commit to 3-colors yet, so Champion and Mastodon are out.  It's really between Silverback and Runebrand.  I'm going to cross my fingers and take runebrand, hoping we just haven't seen the little guys yet.

As an aside, rules question: Do you have an opportunity to respond to a land being played which upgrades a creature?  Or is it just a state-based effect with no trigger?  My instinct is the latter, which would definitely hurt Runebrand.  Chah, if this is a test on the limited viability, I would recommend making sure RB has enough targets to be useful, such as how Innistrad really was built to show off Geistflame.
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First instinct is Runebrand.  However, I realize I haven't seen a lot of 1-toughness.  I'm not ready to commit to 3-colors yet, so Champion and Mastodon are out.  It's really between Silverback and Runebrand.  I'm going to cross my fingers and take runebrand, hoping we just haven't seen the little guys yet.

As an aside, rules question: Do you have an opportunity to respond to a land being played which upgrades a creature?  Or is it just a state-based effect with no trigger?  My instinct is the latter, which would definitely hurt Runebrand.  Chah, if this is a test on the limited viability, I would recommend making sure RB has enough targets to be useful, such as how Innistrad really was built to show off Geistflame.


That's a great point. There are a couple of X/1 evasive guys, but we don't have many fragile utility guys.
You're right that Bond is a state-based effect with no trigger. Runebrand is a sorcery anyways, but it could be confusing that you can't respond to a Kird Ape getting bigger with a forest with a Shock. A beginner might wonder, "how is that different from responding to an Aura with a shock?" I haven't thought of that.
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I think the safe pick here is champion of purity

That's a great point. There are a couple of X/1 evasive guys, but we don't have many fragile utility guys.


No Llanowar Elves or something similar?
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Howling Silverback

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That's a great point. There are a couple of X/1 evasive guys, but we don't have many fragile utility guys.


No Llanowar Elves or something similar?


We do have a mana Elf, but we don't have a lot of other tap ability creatures with toughness 1.
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Runebrand Wins.




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Errata for Firebird: only doubles power until end of turn.
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Cadaver Imp is good, but the Phoenix is just nuts, as you can activate it multiple times.

I pick Flaring Firebird
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Cadaver Imp is good, but the Phoenix is just nuts, as you can activate it multiple times.

I pick Flaring Firebird



Hmm...I hadn't noticed the double-doubling potential, good catch.  Taking that into account, I will agree on Firebird, though the Imp is probably going to be very good, especially if it were to Disentomb out Mentor.
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I'll agree with the phoenix.
Definitely the Firebird. All aboard the B/R express?
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firebird. also a note: I have seen one piece of fixing so far. a multicolor theme with no fixing is very dangerous, design-wise.

 

120.6. Some effects replace card draws.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

missed Ranger. so two pieces.

 

120.6. Some effects replace card draws.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

Flaring Firebird was picked.



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firebird. also a note: I have seen one piece of fixing so far. a multicolor theme with no fixing is very dangerous, design-wise.

 

You have a really good point.

We didn't want to support heavy 3-color play in a core set, because if playing heavily in 3 colors becomes the "strategically correct" appraoch to the set, life will be hell for beginners who are just learning about combat and instants and don't know how to build a complex mana base. That would really lock them out of winning.

This approach may well be a mistake because the Kird Apes will cause many players to think of heavy multicolor play, and there's no way to communicate what density of land-fixing support there will be through the contents of one booster. (Although these Kird Apes appeared in Worldwake too and that was not a multicolor set.)

If there are multicolor elements in the real M13, I'll be looking forward to seeing how they solved this problem. If they have multicolor cards in the real M13, maybe they will only appear in higher rarity like Uncommon, or only on a few cards like Nicol Bolas. Or maybe off-color activated abilites are easier to work with than Bond.

missed Ranger. so two pieces.

 

There's also the Blue 1/1 tapper that shifts lands, although it may turn out to suck. Maybe it should be a 2/3 or something.
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Cadaver Imp.  Great Axe would be good but let's take some creatures first, especially a good one.

Also, since you ask for critique of the set, I hope you won't mind if I do critique the flavor (and sound pedantic).  Flaring Firebird is a phoenix, but the flavor of phoenix is that they can be reborn.  I don't think WotC ever printed a phoenix without an auto-built recursion.  For that reason, I believe the firebird should be elemental.
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Cadaver Imp though I don't mind Frost Ogre and the axe isn't bad either.
Imp.

also, I feel like the kird ape mechanic is a little too vague to be the "returning mechanic" anyway. it's not like it was ever a set mechanic. in worldwake it was a single uncommon cycle. the returning mechanics are supposed to be things that were memorable parts of their sets. up until you mentioned I didn't remember loam lion was part of a cycle. if you wanted to return something from Zendikar Landfall would've been much better, but I also feel like the returning mechanics should be as simple as possible, which means actual keywords are probably better.

 

120.6. Some effects replace card draws.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

Cadaver Imp
Wyeth's Mark. Combines well with the Phoenix, or any other removal we get later.
Wyeth's Mark. Combines well with the Phoenix, or any other removal we get later.


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OMG they just spoiled that card today named Unholy Pact!
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AVACYN SPOILER

OMG they just spoiled that card today named Unholy Pact!


You wouldn't believe how many times this happened over the course of Innistrad block.
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Cadaver Imp

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Cadaver Imp was picked. Nice combo with both of our creatures.



Next pick: Bomb or removal or card draw?

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Unsighty Gorgin.

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Give me the gorgon.
trips black worries me and is probably why it's gotten this far but that card looks nuts.

 

120.6. Some effects replace card draws.

 

why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

Wow, Gorgon definitely.
I wish the gorgon wasn't there so I could pick Diabolic Edict, but it is there, so Unsightly Gorgon it is.
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