[AVR-ICD] Scroll of Griselbrand

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Scroll of Griselbrand
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, Sacrifice Scroll of Griselbrand: Target opponent discards a card. If you control a Demon, he or she loses 3 life.
LOLWUT this card is terrible.

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This is missing the "Only as a sorcery" term... Instant speed discard in any color.  Seems like it could find a place.

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This is missing the "Only as a sorcery" term...


Double-checked, just in case. The ability can be activated at instant speed.
Conditional instant-speed Blightning-lite in any color?

EEEEH, I'll take it!
Instant speed permanent based discard. Say hello to sun titan soft lock!

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Yep, Sun Titan!
This card pleases me the most of this set thus far.
I'm going to call this card black just so black has something to at least be somewhat happy about.
For some reason I really like this card. 
This is missing the "Only as a sorcery" term...


Double-checked, just in case. The ability can be activated at instant speed.


With that confirmed I want to (ab)use this with Auriok Salvagers  /turn for a soft lock seems nice.

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THE COALITION WAR GAME -Phyrexian Chief Praetor
Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill)
Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills)
Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill)
Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills)
Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills)
Round 6: (8-7-1)

Last Edited by Ralph on blank, 1920

Even if it's got nothing else going for it, it's potentially 3 damage for , along with some card advantage to boot.
One of those glorious little cards that look horrid on the surface, but are actually wonderful utility.
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Even if it's got nothing else going for it, it's potentially 3 damage for , along with some card advantage to boot.
One of those glorious little cards that look horrid on the surface, but are actually wonderful utility.



Isn't card advantage.  It just isn't card disadvantage for a Lava Spike.
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Even if it's got nothing else going for it, it's potentially 3 damage for , along with some card advantage to boot.
One of those glorious little cards that look horrid on the surface, but are actually wonderful utility.



Isn't card advantage.  It just isn't card disadvantage for a Lava Spike.



If you have a demon.

Seems like a fun card. 
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Just seems funny that if you sac this with a Mothdust Changeling sitting next to you your opponent will suddenly lose 3 life in addition.
Seeing as Tevish retroactively copied my first idea...
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we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
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Does this card exist just to make people sad?
I'm on the ropes with no cards in hand.  I need to topdeck a miracle... AND I DO!  Oh wait, you Scroll of Griselbrand me with the trigger on the stack?  Oh well... 
Can you activate this after they draw a card but before their main phase?
It's not blightning, but I will run it in anyway.
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Can you activate this after they draw a card but before their main phase?



Yeah, players get priority in the draw step.  People just generally don't use it.
I'm on the ropes with no cards in hand.  I need to topdeck a miracle... AND I DO!  Oh wait, you Scroll of Griselbrand me with the trigger on the stack?  Oh well... 


Looks like this is a safety valve incase Miracles get busted.

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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
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I'm on the ropes with no cards in hand.  I need to topdeck a miracle... AND I DO!  Oh wait, you Scroll of Griselbrand me with the trigger on the stack?  Oh well... 


Looks like this is a safety valve incase Miracles get busted.

~ Tim 



I guess my complaint is that it only prevents miracles when the opponent has no other cards in their hand. Otherwise they'll just say, "Okay, I discard this less relevant card, you still get Miracled!"  It prevents only the most potentially fun Miracle moment, not just all miracles.
I'm likely to play it in limited. Not saying it is great or it is bad. Just that in the pre-release I'd likely fill one slot or two with this... just in case.
This is a great boost for control decks. More discard, plus they have ways of recasting it from the yard? Its sad to see people thinking counter spells are controls best friend. Discard, removal and graveyard control are where it is at!
This is a great boost for control decks. More discard, plus they have ways of recasting it from the yard? Its sad to see people thinking counter spells are controls best friend. Discard, removal and graveyard control are where it is at!


This is wrong in so many ways.

First of all, this isn't that much of a control card. Unless you know what your opponent has in hand or you can use it as a lock then it isn't worth that much in control. Actually this scroll seems much better in some form of aggro where the life loss can be relevant. It could also be a relevant card in decks that care about artifacts (glissa or tezzeret?).

Secondary, counterspells are control's best friend "in some meta's". The same way that some meta formats best's friend is counterspells: Force of Will in vintage, classic and legacy. And to be honest, I don't want to see what would happen in standard if mana leak was banned as it would turn into a titan race.

Thirdly, discard isn't actually that good. I have been toying around with it a lot. And i must say that it is surprisingly bad, or at least these overcosted discard cards are. 

So im calling it right now, this card isn't that good. No matter how much i like it, it just isn't. And i don't think it is worth it outside decks that can abuse it somehow. That said, i really like this card regartless =) 
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I don't see how this would work vs miracles.  The miracles trigger on being drawn and you choose to cast it at that time, it's never really in your hand long enough for someone to make you discard it.

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I don't think the Miracle ability uses the stack - its a static ability that allows you to cast the card whilst you draw. There's no priority being given to your opponent to respond, at least I don't read it that way.
You can't tell from the reminder text, but Miracle is a triggered ability. It triggers when you draw the card and reveal it, but it remains in your hand until the trigger resolves, letting you cast the spell. In that time, it's possible for you to discard the card, rendering you unable to cast it when the Miracle trigger resolves.
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I don't think the Miracle ability uses the stack - its a static ability that allows you to cast the card whilst you draw. There's no priority being given to your opponent to respond, at least I don't read it that way.


The Miracle wording is:
Miracle X (You may cast this card for it's miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew that turn.)

"When", "Whenever" and "At the ..." all indicate that it is a triggered ability.

Edit: Also because it is a triggered ability that happens from a hidden zone, you have will have to reveal the card to put the trigger on the stack. But that part of the ability doesn't seem to go on the stack. 
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Aha - I see.

In my mind this was a panglacial wurm scenario.
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