Moonfolk Walker likely.

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So, If anyone has browsed around, they've probably run across this site by now.
www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x...

And that last one is clearly a Soratami. Who is definitely not from Innistrad.

So... there we go. I think this actually makes it less likely for the devil to be a walker.
Well, definitely not what I would have expected but that appears to be the case
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If I recall the Soratami were a bunch of jerks :P lol... But that does look like a moonfolk to me.
Odd choice.

Then again, I really like how Creative is pulling iconic races from other planes and making them planeswalkers. I'm holding out for an Akki planeswalker.
… and then, the squirrels came.
Huh, I skimmed that page for a moment an didn't give the pictures much  thought since it would be a while until the articles were out... but now that you mention it, Her ears seem awful long... and pale white/blue... and kind of rabbit like. I wonder what a Soratami Planeswalker would do? +1: Return a land you control to it's owner's hand. (add two other abilities more character related than Racial here)

That would be an interesting way to both pull a little from a previously visited plane, and possibly leave the gate open for creative to revisit it... kind of like we did with Mirrodin and will be doing with Ravnica. Here's looking forward to a revisit to Ulgratha, and a Sandruu Planeswalker card (his fate was never really confirmed)
I don't think its impossible to say that Avacyn maybe sealed a pre-mending walker or two inside the Helvault ("What cannot be desroyed will be bound" and all that jazz), and to an Innistrad person anything not-human (like a soratami) would probably look fairly demonic.

That being said, a soratami maybe being sealed inside the helvault, a chunk of moonsilver, is very funny to me.
Why is the devil less likely to be a walker now?

He also has a picture there. So confirmed to be some how important. I agree the sorotami can only be a walker. And at this point I'm weary of betting that wizards won't give each color access to walker each block (Karn was green's in Scars). And a half devil would fit for a red planeswalker. Not saying he is, but I don't see how having her confirms him not being one.
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He also has a picture there. So confirmed to be some how important.

Not necessarily. The art for preview headers is usually picked for looking cool over representing an important person or event. They're often art from nonlegendary creatures or even instants and sorceries.
And I don't think anyone here can deny that the Man of Wealth and Taste looks really cool.

I think you might just be right about that third person, though. Innistradi humans don't paint their faces, let alone in that style. She's obviously not an angel. And she's too humanoid to be a spirit. I'll put my chip on the Soratami Walker hypothesis for now. But only because it's the only explanation I can see.
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Heard a joke once: Mare goes to doctor. Says she's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says she feels all alone in a threatening world where even ponies you thought were your friends can't be trusted. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Go to one of Pinkie Pie's great parties tonight. Party hard. That should pick you up." Mare bursts into tears. Says "But, doctor...I am Pinkie Pie." Good joke. Everypony laughs. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. Fade to black.
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Sure, "the average person" might go see Transformers 3 if s/he wants a good story, but that doesn't stop people from making decent movies. Hell, they even managed to make Batman into a respectable movie. "The average" person might like American Idol or Jersey Shore, but people still made The Wire.
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I think the people who would sit down and listen to a minstrel reciting Homer, or thought that novels were art, or read poetry were always a minority. It's a common viewpoint that art was better in the past because everyone's forgotten the bad stuff, while we haven't had time to forget the awful stuff that is current.
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For almost all Magic fans, the "story" of Ravnica, for example, is that it's a city world with ten guilds -- yes, for most, that's a "story." All but a tiny fraction of the fan base are entirely unaware of an elaborate plot perpetrated by Augustin IV to trick Agrus Kos and Szadek into breaking the Guildpact, thereby enabling the Azorius to take control. Likewise, the vast majority of Magic players don't know who Harbin is, or Nivea, or Al-Hayat, or Feather, or Jared Carthalion, or Rebbec, or Zagorka ... the list goes on and on.
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I'm pulling this out of nowhere and it has nothing like fact attached to it, but it cannot be disproven without breaking the fourth wall, and this is going to be my headcanon because it makes perfect sense. I posit [Tamiyo, the Moon Sage] writes the Planeswalker's Guides to planes.
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

This is going to be TOTALLY AWESOME!

And a female Soratami, no less! Yay gender parity!

Man, every time I think I've lost all reason for following the storyline (i.e. no more novels) they find some new way of roping me in. Damn Creative for making compelling products!
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He also has a picture there. So confirmed to be some how important.

Not necessarily. The art for preview headers is usually picked for looking cool over representing an important person or event. They're often art from nonlegendary creatures or even instants and sorceries.
And I don't think anyone here can deny that the Man of Wealth and Taste looks really cool.

I think you might just be right about that third person, though. Innistradi humans don't paint their faces, let alone in that style. She's obviously not an angel. And she's too humanoid to be a spirit. I'll put my chip on the Soratami Walker hypothesis for now. But only because it's the only explanation I can see.



Yes and no.

Sorin was featured in the blurb about him on the site. Lili too.

Often if one of those bits is talking about a character and their role they use a picture of them. But I will grant you it is not enough to confirm his importance so I will retract the statement.

 
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While planeswalker seems more likely, it's also possible that the moonfolk were one of the creatures mentioned in angel's rise and demon's release
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Creatures begin to surface that have not been seen on Innistrad before, some that had gone into hiding during the dark times, and some entirely new, forged for divine duty by Avacyn herself. As we'll see, evil has not been wiped out on the world—far from it. Darkness might be built into Innistrad's very nature. But those who depend on Avacyn's protection have new weapons in the fight.

Given the prevalence of the moon in Innistrad, it could go either way.
Or maybe since the helvault supposedly came from the moon and the moonfolk could have potentially lived on the moon (being moonfolk and all) and used the helvault as a sort of rocket ship but got stuck in the prison of silver by avacyn and...AGGGGGHHHHHH THE FLAMESSSSSSS.


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@ VorthosianLoreWeaver: That makes less sense than the Planeswalker Hypothesis (in my opinion). The presence of Moonfolk should have been at least foreshadowed in the previous sets. We know that Elves were once on Innistrad, but we haven't heard a thing about Moonfolk.


From a meta-perspective it makes more sense that it's a 'walker than to have one to three random Moonfolk-cards.

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While planeswalker seems more likely, it's also possible that the moonfolk were one of the creatures mentioned in angel's rise and demon's release
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Creatures begin to surface that have not been seen on Innistrad before, some that had gone into hiding during the dark times, and some entirely new, forged for divine duty by Avacyn herself. As we'll see, evil has not been wiped out on the world—far from it. Darkness might be built into Innistrad's very nature. But those who depend on Avacyn's protection have new weapons in the fight.

Given the prevalence of the moon in Innistrad, it could go either way.
Or maybe since the helvault supposedly came from the moon and the moonfolk could have potentially lived on the moon (being moonfolk and all) and used the helvault as a sort of rocket ship but got stuck in the prison of silver by avacyn and...AGGGGGHHHHHH THE FLAMESSSSSSS.



[glomp] Hi VLW! I was just thinking about you not being around anymore... welcome back. Go check on the Expanded Multiverse, it's missed you. (And changed a lot since I initially pitched the idea your way.)

Also, this is an interesting point.... we really don't know what that "emerging creatures" things means. It could just mean the Wolfir, but it could mean something as weird as the Moonfolk, although that strikes me as a bit of a stretch.
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While planeswalker seems more likely, it's also possible that the moonfolk were one of the creatures mentioned in angel's rise and demon's release
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Creatures begin to surface that have not been seen on Innistrad before, some that had gone into hiding during the dark times, and some entirely new, forged for divine duty by Avacyn herself. As we'll see, evil has not been wiped out on the world—far from it. Darkness might be built into Innistrad's very nature. But those who depend on Avacyn's protection have new weapons in the fight.

Given the prevalence of the moon in Innistrad, it could go either way.
Or maybe since the helvault supposedly came from the moon and the moonfolk could have potentially lived on the moon (being moonfolk and all) and used the helvault as a sort of rocket ship but got stuck in the prison of silver by avacyn and...AGGGGGHHHHHH THE FLAMESSSSSSS.



[glomp] Hi VLW! I was just thinking about you not being around anymore... welcome back. Go check on the Expanded Multiverse, it's missed you. (And changed a lot since I initially pitched the idea your way.)

Also, this is an interesting point.... we really don't know what that "emerging creatures" things means. It could just mean the Wolfir, but it could mean something as weird as the Moonfolk, although that strikes me as a bit of a stretch.



Hi Keeper! This is now what, the tenth time I've been 'back'? Maybe.
Anyway, I think the wolfir fall under the 'forged for divine duty' thing. Moonfolk could fall under 'gone into hiding'. Like I said, planeswalker is more likely, but I'm not going to be disappointed either way.

I also saw mentioned somewhere something about heron-headed griffins, so if anyway knows more about that, please expand on that.
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While planeswalker seems more likely, it's also possible that the moonfolk were one of the creatures mentioned in angel's rise and demon's release
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Creatures begin to surface that have not been seen on Innistrad before, some that had gone into hiding during the dark times, and some entirely new, forged for divine duty by Avacyn herself. As we'll see, evil has not been wiped out on the world—far from it. Darkness might be built into Innistrad's very nature. But those who depend on Avacyn's protection have new weapons in the fight.

Given the prevalence of the moon in Innistrad, it could go either way.
Or maybe since the helvault supposedly came from the moon and the moonfolk could have potentially lived on the moon (being moonfolk and all) and used the helvault as a sort of rocket ship but got stuck in the prison of silver by avacyn and...AGGGGGHHHHHH THE FLAMESSSSSSS.



[glomp] Hi VLW! I was just thinking about you not being around anymore... welcome back. Go check on the Expanded Multiverse, it's missed you. (And changed a lot since I initially pitched the idea your way.)

Also, this is an interesting point.... we really don't know what that "emerging creatures" things means. It could just mean the Wolfir, but it could mean something as weird as the Moonfolk, although that strikes me as a bit of a stretch.



Hi Keeper! This is now what, the tenth time I've been 'back'? Maybe.
Anyway, I think the wolfir fall under the 'forged for divine duty' thing. Moonfolk could fall under 'gone into hiding'. Like I said, planeswalker is more likely, but I'm not going to be disappointed either way.

I also saw mentioned somewhere something about heron-headed griffins, so if anyway knows more about that, please expand on that.


It was in the PAX East panel transcript. They're called griffs IIRC. 
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I also saw mentioned somewhere something about heron-headed griffins, so if anyway knows more about that, please expand on that.



From what I saw from the sally PAX thread, there hasn't been much said about them.

They're called "griffs" and they're Avacyn's personal familiars, or something to that effect.
The moon is holy to Avacyn.  I think, perhaps, that this is a member of the "moonfolk" species who is NOT kamigawan Sortami, but rather a native of Innistrad('s moon).

As VLW points out (Hey VLW!  Got that Phasing under control?), it's a possibility worth considering.

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She indeed looks way more like a Soratami than anything else. Also going with the Walker hypothesis here, since it's a more natural explanation than an entire Soratami society dabbling around for a number of thousand years going totally unnoticed.

As for a Kamigawan origin, that block took place like what, five thousand years previously to the current post-mending storyline? I'm not sure if it predates the Brother's war, but it feels sort of that far back in time. I hope she didn't trip on her first walk and accidentally got stuck into the helvault for that period. I'd still prefer that to a random-origin-and-oh-the-unique-Kamigawa-flavour-is-really-inter-inter-planar-too-btw kind of explanation.
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Kamigawa took place about 800 years ago.

Aside from that, Soratami were modelled after the JAPANESE aesthetic for the moon, chiefly wabbits. So the thing is, with such importance being placed on the moon and its symbology in Innistrad, don't you think if we were to get a native innistradi moonfolk, it would have something to do with HERONS instead of just Hares?
What Barinellos said. Just because the Innistradi moon is big and important doesn't mean Soratami would make any sense here as natives.

It's a good thing planeswalkers don't have to make sense as natives.

I conpletely overlooked that little wedge of exposition about creatures coming out of hiding. I don't mean to whine, but if at the final set of this glorious, beatutiful, elf-free, goblin-free year, they suddenly dumped a whole set full of them into our laps out of nowhere ("We were hiding under that rock for the last year or so, but we're fine now that Avacyn's here!"), I would feel a little bit betrayed.
At the very least, I would be forced to revoke all the brownie points I granted WotC for taking a break from elves and goblins in the first place.
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I know, as a good liberal scholar, that I'm supposed to respect every other belief and culture and what have you that comes along but... at the end of the day, when all is said and done, some things are just plain wrong.
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Heard a joke once: Mare goes to doctor. Says she's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says she feels all alone in a threatening world where even ponies you thought were your friends can't be trusted. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Go to one of Pinkie Pie's great parties tonight. Party hard. That should pick you up." Mare bursts into tears. Says "But, doctor...I am Pinkie Pie." Good joke. Everypony laughs. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. Fade to black.
69511863 wrote:
Sure, "the average person" might go see Transformers 3 if s/he wants a good story, but that doesn't stop people from making decent movies. Hell, they even managed to make Batman into a respectable movie. "The average" person might like American Idol or Jersey Shore, but people still made The Wire.
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I think the people who would sit down and listen to a minstrel reciting Homer, or thought that novels were art, or read poetry were always a minority. It's a common viewpoint that art was better in the past because everyone's forgotten the bad stuff, while we haven't had time to forget the awful stuff that is current.
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For almost all Magic fans, the "story" of Ravnica, for example, is that it's a city world with ten guilds -- yes, for most, that's a "story." All but a tiny fraction of the fan base are entirely unaware of an elaborate plot perpetrated by Augustin IV to trick Agrus Kos and Szadek into breaking the Guildpact, thereby enabling the Azorius to take control. Likewise, the vast majority of Magic players don't know who Harbin is, or Nivea, or Al-Hayat, or Feather, or Jared Carthalion, or Rebbec, or Zagorka ... the list goes on and on.
57916198 wrote:
I'm pulling this out of nowhere and it has nothing like fact attached to it, but it cannot be disproven without breaking the fourth wall, and this is going to be my headcanon because it makes perfect sense. I posit [Tamiyo, the Moon Sage] writes the Planeswalker's Guides to planes.
And one more thing...
CANON is the collected events and details of a fictional work that come directly from its author or someone with equal authority to the author. CANNON is a weapon that fires metal balls at a target, usually a structure or a crowd of enemy combatants. Every time you confuse the two, I'm forced to break one of my own fingers.
Only 800? Guess what I thought about Tetsuo Umezawa is really throwing my compass off here, could you refresh me on that one?
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Bolas's binding and Tetsuo's defection only took place about fifty years before the Invasion.
There have been arguments in the past that put such events as Pre-Thran (Nicol's other known active period), but that is the currently accepted timeline.

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Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills)
Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills)
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There have been arguments in the past that put such events as Pre-Thran (Nicol's other known active period), but that is the currently accepted timeline.



That particular information is from Scott McGough himself and since he wrote the books, I'm going to tend to take his word more than anybody who is just tossing numbers at a board to see what sticks.
Did they just not feel like doing the research during the weatherlight arc, then? Well that may be a stupid question, but still..

Gotta find myself those books somewhere.
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Did they just not feel like doing the research during the weatherlight arc, then? Well that may be a stupid question, but still.



... I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that.
I meant that Madara et al. is so completely unintegrated in that story, as opposed to most other significant landmasses and events. I'm not saying that the crew of that ship had anything to do with it, but as for the characters that were building an inter-planetary defense grid..

Not that it's significant to this thread anymore, but it being completely out of touch with the major Dominarian narrative is throwing me off.
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Assuming that this has to be a planeswalker just because moonfolk debuted on Kamigawa and we haven't seen them elsewhere seems a bit much to me. Kithkin, Kor, Viashino, Vedalken, and Leonin were all single-plane-exclusive races once, too. Who's to say that moonfolk don't also show up on multiple planes?

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Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.

Assuming that this has to be a planeswalker just because moonfolk debuted on Kamigawa and we haven't seen them elsewhere seems a bit much to me. Kithkin, Kor, Viashino, Vedalken, and Leonin were all single-plane-exclusive races once, too. Who's to say that moonfolk don't also show up on multiple planes?



If this was the first set of a new block I'd say that, but this is the last set of the Innistrad block. Innistrad. doesn't have moonfolk.

Plus, they didn't have elves or goblins in Innistrad, i don't see why they'd add moonfolks.
… and then, the squirrels came.
Assuming that this has to be a planeswalker just because moonfolk debuted on Kamigawa and we haven't seen them elsewhere seems a bit much to me. Kithkin, Kor, Viashino, Vedalken, and Leonin were all single-plane-exclusive races once, too. Who's to say that moonfolk don't also show up on multiple planes?



Once again, rabbit themed and looks exactly like a Kamigawan moonfolk.
It's like saying a skyshroud elf is the exact same as llanowar elf.
Come on guys, this one's obvious.


We know that Innistrad's moon IS a moon.

We also know that the moonfolk LIKE the moon.

Therefore, Innistrad's moon is Kamigawa.


Geez, it's like you guys never even listen to Zokorad.

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to seeing where this character/creature design is going. Hopefully if it is a main character, we'll get some backstory. Same thing if it's a re-emerging race.
Geez, it's like you guys never even listen to Zokorad.


That's because our prescription to crazy pills ran out.

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to seeing where this character/creature design is going. Hopefully if it is a main character, we'll get some backstory. Same thing if it's a re-emerging race.


I'd prefer the former to the latter, but I hope we get an interesting amount of development about her...
oh who are we kidding, we'll get a vague blurb.
*I'm mostly being cynical there, but it was quite some time before any of the neowalkers received any development. I don't see them bucking that trend excessively, particularly without the use of a deep narrative these days.
I've heard the name Zokorad whispered in legends, but he doesn't really make his way down here... I'm not sure if I'm glad, or if I'm missing out on all the fun. >_>

Yeah, probably getting a blurb on her. I mean, we've gotten blurbs on the last few new characters they introduced (Kiora, Ral [not even a blurb for him actually], Sifa and Whatshisface...) so this will probably follow the same pattern. Hell, Sarkhan had minimal development till he started losing his marbles in the Eye of Ugin, and we really only got a minimal amount of backstory for Sorin, even in the novels.
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I've heard the name Zokorad whispered in legends, but he doesn't really make his way down here... I'm not sure if I'm glad, or if I'm missing out on all the fun. >_>

Yeah, probably getting a blurb on her. I mean, we've gotten blurbs on the last few new characters they introduced (Kiora, Ral [not even a blurb for him actually], Sifa and Whatshisface...) so this will probably follow the same pattern. Hell, Sarkhan had minimal development till he started losing his marbles in the Eye of Ugin, and we really only got a minimal amount of backstory for Sorin, even in the novels.



Your not missing much. I honestly cna't tell if he's a troll or just stupid...so he's probabbly just a really good troll. You cn usually find his work during lulls in FSS forum. He recently speculated that since Innistrad's moon is silver and Mirrodin's like silver that mirrodin was Innistrads moon, by recently I mean a few months ago, but it kept that forum entrtained in the extended draught of new info.
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Will be interesting to see how the people of Innistrad would treat a moonfolk, considering the importance of the moon to them, and it's link to Avacyn.

(What is the singular of moonfolk?)
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Will be interesting to see how the people of Innistrad would treat a moonfolk, considering the importance of the moon to them, and it's link to Avacyn.

(What is the singular of moonfolk?)



Moonperson?


And the people of Innistrad are probably in a big demon-killing rush. I don't think it would be a good time to be a non-human (or non-Wolfir) on that plane.


I also don't think the connection between a Moonfolk and the moon is immediately obvious for the people of Innistrad. If she introduces herself as Soratami, no-one will probably pick up on it.

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If Avacyn can make werewolves into wolfir, who says she can't convert humans/vampires/whatever into moonfolk? Assuming they don't already exist on Innistrad's moon.

Although a devil and moonfolk walker makes some sense given Innistrad's setting.... Maybe RTR is indeed the planeswalker block.

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Yeah, probably getting a blurb on her. I mean, we've gotten blurbs on the last few new characters they introduced (Kiora, Ral [not even a blurb for him actually], Sifa and Whatshisface...) so this will probably follow the same pattern. Hell, Sarkhan had minimal development till he started losing his marbles in the Eye of Ugin, and we really only got a minimal amount of backstory for Sorin, even in the novels.



[size=8]Where are the blurbs at? Since the novels I haven't followed the story much & Im tryin to get caught up, where do I look?

victim!!!!
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I've heard the name Zokorad whispered in legends, but he doesn't really make his way down here... I'm not sure if I'm glad, or if I'm missing out on all the fun. >_>

Yeah, probably getting a blurb on her. I mean, we've gotten blurbs on the last few new characters they introduced (Kiora, Ral [not even a blurb for him actually], Sifa and Whatshisface...) so this will probably follow the same pattern. Hell, Sarkhan had minimal development till he started losing his marbles in the Eye of Ugin, and we really only got a minimal amount of backstory for Sorin, even in the novels.



Your not missing much. I honestly cna't tell if he's a troll or just stupid...so he's probabbly just a really good troll. You cn usually find his work during lulls in FSS forum. He recently speculated that since Innistrad's moon is silver and Mirrodin's like silver that mirrodin was Innistrads moon, by recently I mean a few months ago, but it kept that forum entrtained in the extended draught of new info.


Pretty sure he got that one from me since I suggested that Strad's moon was filled with mycosinth as anti-speculation a few days earlier there.

I'm going to go with someone too young to distinguish between plot development and Rule of Cool.
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76783093 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
58331438 wrote:
56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
57471038 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
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89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
58232598 wrote:
88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
143211137 wrote:
57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
147137503 wrote:
77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".