[AVR-ICD] Avacyn, Angel of Hope

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Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Legendary Creature - Angel (M)
Flying, vigilance
Avacyn, Angel of Hope and other permanents you control are indestructible.
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Well. That's definitely something that's going to land on the table with a thud. Not an Angel lord, but making everything on your side of the table indestructible is pretty damn impressive.
This is going to make reanimate decks an absolute pain to deal with for decks without counters or Oblivion Rings. You can't burn her, you can't Dismember her, so your best option in black is Tragic Slip or a well timed Geth's Verdict
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Ahem, exile her back in the helvault, cough, cough.....
Great for reanimator, but my unfamiliarity with non-standard formats makes me wonder if it's actually any better than inkwell leviathan.

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The flavor fits very well with the flavor. Exiling her with the Helvault is the only way to get rid of her.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite's replacement post-rotation?
That's awesome. I love it.
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Great for reanimator, but my unfamiliarity with non-standard formats makes me wonder if it's actually any better than inkmoth leviathan.


Inkwell isn't really the standard for reanimator anymore. Elesh Norn, Jin-Gitaxias, Iona, cards that have an immediate effect or protect themselves from Swords to Plowshares and Diabolic Edict seem to be the go-to reanimator choices these days.

This card is nuts though. Should be amazing for standard reanimator when Elesh rotates. Thank goodness for Oblivion Ring.
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I can see her working alongside Elesh Norn. After all, Avacyn won't bite the dust to a Go For The Throat or even Day of Judgment.
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Tragic Slip for  and laugh
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Don't think this is good enough for standard with reanimator having better toys to play with atm. When it rotates then she can be super back breaking though. 


Also, EDH decks are super happy. I know mine are.
Welp, she has flying.  That's my only correct prediction.  *puts paw in mouth*

She's nuts.  I'd be very excited to get one of her for Commander.
Dies toe Tragic Slip.

Kidding. Fun card, can think of a few decks to play it in, mostly edh.

But still laughing to the idea of Avacy sliping and dieing. It's hilarious. 
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Well huh, I think she's crossed the threshold into "so boring I can't even come up with a clever method of expressing my level of sheer disinterest." territory.
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Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
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.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?
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I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here. ...
Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic
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we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
I lol'd.
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Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?
The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."
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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
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Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
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This just won the argument, AFAIC.
That's just awesome.
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HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius?
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First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.
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Great, now I can't call my reanimator deck "charlie's angels" anymore...(Akroma,Reya, and Iona).

Unless...

She can be Bosely! ;)
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Not sure if she'll see any Constructed play, but she's definitely splashy and powerful. Solid mythic.
Great card. Definitly good in EDH.

As for constructed it's debatable.

We all know that white on it's own won't be getting up to 8 mana any time soon.

She can probably fit in the Frites deck as that will make the 8 mana casting cost not an issue.

And there is still Heartless Summoning so that will make casting her not only easier but might definitly make her constructed playable.
Is it just me, or did Avacyn just make Konda and Akroma obsolete as EDH generals?
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What happens if there's a tie for first?
Monkey knife fight
So does this mean that we'll be getting other spoilers soon?
Pretty meh to be honest I was expecting something a little more creative with the centerpiece Angel of the block and storyline.


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Is it just me, or did Avacyn just make Konda and Akroma obsolete as EDH generals?


Konda? Yes, since indestructibility was his only niche. Akroma? No, trample and haste are still quite relevant so she's not obsolete. (Though Avacyn certainly seems overall better.)

So does this mean that we'll be getting other spoilers soon?


Previews start Monday; whether we get any more early spoilers this week remains to be seen.
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But still laughing to the idea of Avacyn slipping and dying. It's hilarious. 



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As for constructed it's debatable.

We all know that white on it's own won't be getting up to 8 mana any time soon.

She can probably fit in the Frites deck as that will make the 8 mana casting cost not an issue.

And there is still Heartless Summoning so that will make casting her not only easier but might definitly make her constructed playable.



I can do it on Turn 3 without blinking...

Turn 1: Mountain / Faithless Looting. Throw out Avacyn and Unburial Rites.
Turn 2: Another land, cast an appropriate Myr.
Turn 3: Land, Flashback Unburial Rites. Win.

Yes, that's three colours and a bit of a god-draw, but I didn't have to think too hard. I'm sure there are bigger, badder and uglier ways in Standard ATM.
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Is it just me, or did Avacyn just make Konda and Akroma obsolete as EDH generals?


Konda? Yes, since indestructibility was his only niche. Akroma? No, trample and haste are still quite relevant so she's not obsolete. (Though Avacyn certainly seems overall better.)



I hate to fit  the falacy that most others fall prey to, but Akroma dies to removal. In fact akroma dies to almost all removal that can deal enough damage or target her. Avacyn dies to Tragic Slip, sacrifice effects (kind of rare, btw), or Exile (which typically only white can do).

Haste and trample are pretty good, but Avacyn makes all your stuff indestructible. This includes All the awesome Swords she likes to hit people with. KondaWrath.dec just became AvacynTheSlayer.dec. Proxying this card NOW.

I just hope we get some type of equipment based on her staff/lance/Pitchfork(?). 
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What happens if there's a tie for first?
Monkey knife fight
For Commander, zomg freaking nice.
For standard and other constructed formats...eh.  Maybe for Birthing Pod, but that would be a stretch.
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This card gives me hope for the other angels at least. In theory, if she's the biggest and most expensive, then maybe the others will be at least a little more easily playable. Maybe they'll even have more unique/creative abilities as well?

I think hers is perfect, though. A lot of poeple are saying she's boring, or whatever. But I think it's fitting that the "biggest" card in the set should have a very straightforward, VERY powerful ability like the one she does. I like it.
Goth angel is waaaay better than barbie angels.
It does suffer from Vapor Snag syndrome, but it is still pretty sweet.
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Its funny that so many people only think of how to get rid of her....sure, a Phantasmal Image will get rid of any legend, and Tragic Slip will kill most non-hexproofed creatures, but if you just won't play creatures because you think they might fall prey to a good spell or effect, then good luck winning. Avacyn is a great card, especially in Commander and non-Standard, but her ability to protect just about everything can't be easily ignored in any format in which she might see play.

She will make it into plenty of commander decks, probably all of them with W as a color....and W/G/b token decks just got kind of scary...
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I was going to write about either how much I liked Avacyn's card or how much I disliked it, but now that I see it I just don't care.  It's another giant, flying derpstick that'll autolose me some matches in limited, and has utterly failed to pique my interest.

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....and W/G/b token decks just got kind of scary...


W/G/b token decks will have to survive until 8 mana before it gets scary.

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Its funny that so many people only think of how to get rid of her....sure, a Phantasmal Image will get rid of any legend, and Tragic Slip will kill most non-hexproofed creatures, but if you just won't play creatures because you think they might fall prey to a good spell or effect, then good luck winning. Avacyn is a great card, especially in Commander and non-Standard, but her ability to protect just about everything can't be easily ignored in any format in which she might see play.

She will make it into plenty of commander decks, probably all of them with W as a color....and W/G/b token decks just got kind of scary...



Emphasis mine, pointing out the cancer that is killing Magic. Does one really play wizfight the game to enact giant creature smackfests?

As for the card itself, this must be evincing the New World Order policy that they have in effect. Yawn.   

Eh, she's flashy, but boring. Little to no Constructed play, versus Iona and Elesh Norn in Modern/Legacy.
Its funny that so many people only think of how to get rid of her....sure, a Phantasmal Image will get rid of any legend, and Tragic Slip will kill most non-hexproofed creatures, but if you just won't play creatures because you think they might fall prey to a good spell or effect, then good luck winning. Avacyn is a great card, especially in Commander and non-Standard, but her ability to protect just about everything can't be easily ignored in any format in which she might see play.


To be honest, the main reason I am looking for which colors can kill her and how is not because I'm making a decision on whether or not to play her based on those factors. I'm looking for ways to kill her because I expect to be facing her at a local FNM and I feel like it would be a good idea to be prepared in advance.

It just occured to me that Phyrexian Metamorph, a pseudo-colorless card I already usually side because Thrun, the Last Troll and Geist of Saint Traft will continue to work here and of course can be played in any deck and has uses besides just being a dedicated angel-slayer.
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I dig it, I guess, but I have to agree with others about the general ho-humness of the card.  I was expecting something flashier, not a Darksteel Forge on PCP.  Also, I'm sure that there'll be an overwhelming surge of Avacyn-led EDH decks.  Again, yawn.

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Kinda straightforward, but interesting. I hope no one plays her in standard so I can buy a few copies.
Great for reanimator, but my unfamiliarity with non-standard formats makes me wonder if it's actually any better than inkmoth leviathan.


Inkwell isn't really the standard for reanimator anymore. Elesh Norn, Jin-Gitaxias, Iona, cards that have an immediate effect or protect themselves from Swords to Plowshares and Diabolic Edict seem to be the go-to reanimator choices these days.

This card is nuts though. Should be amazing for standard reanimator when Elesh rotates. Thank goodness for Oblivion Ring.



Couldn't you just kill Iona while her ETB trigger is on the stack?


Iona doesn't have an ETB trigger. Once she's on the field, her ability is in effect.

But still laughing to the idea of Avacyn slipping and dying. It's hilarious. 



Homer: I'M INDESTRUCTIBLE!! INDESTRUCTI... BWAAAARGGHHH!!!!



I now can't get that image out of my mind:
Avacyn, the great archangel, bursts free from her prison. "Fear not, people of Innistrad for I am here to save you!" The crowd cheers as she touches down to earth in front of them... and promptly slips on a patch of ice and dies. 
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