Brother has seemingly unbeatable deck, need ideas

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So my brother ended up buying and building a / deck.
 He runs cards like army of the damned, endless ranks of the dead, increasing devotion along with intangible virtue and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and 4 copies of Vault of the archangel. He gets as many tokens on the field as he can, and then pumps them, and then gives them lifelink and deathtouch. Never mind that he hasn't ever had more than about 35 tokens at one time, he could potentially have 104 zombie tokens, plus another 52 zombie tokens and 60 human tokens if everything worked out perfectly for him. Then he could pump them up with sorin's emblem and intangible virtue and then give them deathtouch and lifelink. That's also not including any vampire tokens he creates with sorin. He also runs a few ravenous demon in it so there is that combo with the human tokens. Then he also has those darned manor gargoyles that he uses as a defense. So even if he doesn't get his token strategy to work, he has a couple other back-breaking strategies in there. Oh and the 3 elbrus, the binding blade that he has if we play multiplayer.

We have tried sever the bloodline and alpha brawl and they seem to have some effect, but we can't rely on those cards alone to stop him. Any suggestions for me and my group? We run all sorts of decks so any card at all (that isn't insanely expensive or hard to get) would be nice.
Thanks
There's always the 'social' option -- tell him that you're tired of always losing to his deck, and could he perhaps use a different one?

If, on the other hand, you want to build a deck to deal with the problem, token-based strategies tend to be weak against board-sweepers.  What's available depends on format, but could include Blasphemous Act, Rolling Temblor, Chain Reaction, Whipflare, Slagstorm, Pyroclasm, and other damage-dealing spells; these can be especially nice if he plays a Ravenous Demon and transforms it, since you can then play Pyroclasm and kill all his tokens.  You could also use Rout, Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, and so on.  

Another thing is that most of the cards you've mentioned are quite expensive or don't do much by themselves -- Army of the Damned is 7 mana, for example.  You might be able to kill him before he plays his game-winning spells with fast aggro or mono-red burn.

Just some ideas.

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Wrath of God, Damnation, Day of Judgment, Divine Reckoning, Pyroclasm, Slagstorm. Final Judgment, Hallowed Burial (would probably work fantastically), Planar Cleansing, Evacuation etc.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Night of Souls' Betrayal, Crovax, Ascendant Hero etc.
Ratchet Bomb
Lethal Vapors/Spreading Plague
Aether Flash

There are plenty of options against tokens, and you'll find in most formats board sweepers will do the job just fine. Manor Gargoyle isn't anything special on offense so that shouldn't be an issue, and there's a range of ways to deal with Sorin in each color.

One option which works well against most creature decks is the white w/ lots of sweepers and an Emeria, the Sky Ruin engine (so that eventually it doesn't matter that you've been killing creatures you control). The only issue you'd really have after that is Sorin, and possibly the Gargoyles, but you'd be able to easily include Oblivion Rings for those.

Edit: of course, how could I not think of this - an infinite combo deck. Nothing stops an 'unbeatable deck' like a deck that actually outright wins when it goes off, not to mention that a lot of combos almost require blue to stop (for counterspells). Some of the easier/better combos are going to be more expensive (ie. Painter's Servant + Grindstone), but you should be able to make up some deck centered around pretty cheap ones that will still outright win. For example, a blue/red/black Pyromancer Ascension deck would cover both the sweepers, and while probably not having an infinite combo in it can easily win when you go off (personally I use mine to get heaps of turns via Time Warp and Chandra, the Firebrand, Call to Mind for more warps, and ultimately finish with Sorin's Vengeance to one-shot the opponent. I also include Damnation as my primary creature removal).
I'm all about super-control in MTG. If you're able to stop my shenanigans, then there aren't enough shenanigans. Lv 1 Judge Current Decklists Sweeping Beauty (Casual) A Vision of Clones (Casual) Coming soon... more decks! :-O
4 x Ratchet Bomb will do the trick. If you're really mean, add some Curse of Death's Hold.

If you really just want to screw up his deck with metagaming, add in 4x Leyline of Singularity and mulligan into them, but I doubt he'll play against you very often with that. 

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56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
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82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
Show
to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
58232598 wrote:
88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
143211137 wrote:
57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
147137503 wrote:
77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

JustTerrorIt wrote:

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

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This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

Echoing Truth on an Isochron Scepter laughs at tokens and dfc's.
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Commandeer and/or Gather Specimens. Thanks for the zombies.

Zammm = Batman.

It's my sig in a box
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Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.
192334281 wrote:
Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.
57092228 wrote:
Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.
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Funny story: InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul: Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?" Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb." Me: "*Sigh*. Okay." I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board. Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
My DM on Battleminds:
no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.
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Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol.
I have the same problem with women.
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Oh I have a standing rule. If someone plays a Planeswalker I concede the game. I refuse to play with or against people who play Planeswalkers. They really did ruin the game.
A turn two Tibalt win?! Wicked... Betcha don't see that everyday.

The Pony Co. 

Is this my new ego sig? Yes it is, other Barry
57461258 wrote:
And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
57461258 wrote:
See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
57461258 wrote:
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
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I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now. O' Jesus Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle. Amen.
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It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic, giving you time to set up your silly combo. Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
Seriously, that was amazing. I laughed my *ss off. Made my day, and I just woke up.
[quote=ArtVenn You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.[/quote]
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.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?
Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again? Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.
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I don't say this often, but ... LOL
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You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster... Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil. And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.
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I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here. ...
Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic
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we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
I lol'd.
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Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?
The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."
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I’ve removed content from this thread because off-topic discussions are a violation of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code here: www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_... Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks. You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively. If you wish to report a post for Code of Conduct violation, click on the “Report Post” button above the post and this will submit your report to the moderators on duty.
...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right? Right.
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Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
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This just won the argument, AFAIC.
That's just awesome.
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HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players. And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it. He/It got me with Light of Sanction, which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).
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heaven or hell.
Round 1. Lets rock.
GG quotes! RPJesus just made this thread win!
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Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS. I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about: creatures.
Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad, things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed.
You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.
On what flavor text fits me:
57307308 wrote:
Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius?
56874518 wrote:
First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.
121689989 wrote:
I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.
56267956 wrote:
I <3 you loads
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"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran
10/10. Amazing.
Go with style and drop a Sudden Disappearance on him. Then Oblivion Ring his Sorin and Ray his Intangible Virtues.
I personally am a fan of recurring Scourglass with Sanctum Gargoyle and Master Transmuter.

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Aether Flash?

Cheers! 
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Ya'll are nice posters, and Imma let you finish, but I've got to say that Massacre Wurm is the best anti-token sweeper of all time.

Or combo. Combo is hilarious too. Or just build a top tier modern deck. (WARNING: THIS SOLUTION MAY COST LOTS OF MONEY) 
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What is he using for removal?
Resolving an Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite will often obliterate the field and make it impossible to recover.

Yxoque wrote:
This forum can't even ****ing self-destruct properly.

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Play Mana Leak, Mind Rot and Black Sun's Zenith. Make sure he never resolves a spell ever again.

Embrace imagination.

Lord of YMtC | Ten Rounds Contest Winner

Solphos – A fan set with a 'combo matters' theme

Fool's Gold – The second set of the Solphos block

blood seeker, suture priest, and if you're feeling cheeky, toss in the soul sisters for some extra protection.  maybe a lightmine field to keep him from wanting to attack with his hordes.
As you can see, there's no deck that's unbeatable or even remotely close to godly. Most of the suggestions made here would improve your deck agaisnt any kind of heavy creature decks, not just tokens.

Food for thought, we all know that white, black, blue, red and even colorlesss can wipe all of the creatures clean off the board (by destroying, by giving -x/-x, by returning stuff to their hands/library, etc) but I havent seen a real green answer to mass ground and air tokens, anyone got any idea?
I love trolls Dont hate me because I'm blunt and you cannot handle it
(Mono)Green is pretty tough, as it just doesn't have any sweepers. White, black and red have definitive sweepers, and blue has bounce-sweepers, but green just doesn't (besides air-only sweepers).

For monogreen, I'd probably go with a deck that could out-creature them (monogreen tokens could work fine), that is aggressive enough that their tokens may not matter (elves), or go with one of the colorless sweepers like Oblivion Stone, All is Dust or Nevinyrral's Disk.

Edit: after enough sifting through gatherer, I've thus far found Choking Vines and Hail Storm which would both work, depending on how many toughness pumps the creatures have, as well as Sandstorm. But apart from those, I believe all the monogreen 'sweepers' are anti-air only.
I'm all about super-control in MTG. If you're able to stop my shenanigans, then there aren't enough shenanigans. Lv 1 Judge Current Decklists Sweeping Beauty (Casual) A Vision of Clones (Casual) Coming soon... more decks! :-O
Green can have fun with Biomantic Mastery :3

You can also make a green turbofog deck, which is good against most aggro strategies.

Yxoque wrote:
This forum can't even ****ing self-destruct properly.

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Ratchet Bomb

Echo Circlet on any fatty

Earthquake

Suture Priest, dear God, Suture Priest

Blood Seeker

Soul Warden

Falkenrath Noble (When Massacre Wurm hits the table, this guy is insane.)

Black Sun's Zenith

Massacre Wurm

Negate (especially if it's a lot of token-generating instants and sorceries)

Consume the Meek

Mirran Crusader + Avacyn's Collar is good for lulz. A 3/2 double striker with pro-black (I'm assuming pro-green is irrelevant) and vigilance. Yeah.
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Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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4 jace the mind sculptor
4 stoneforge mystic
4 squadron hawk
Sword of light and shadow
Sword of war and piece
Sword of feast and famine
Sword of fire and ice
2 batterskull.

18 cards

4 think twice
4 mana drain
4 force of will
4 mana leak
3 cryptic command
3 oblivion ring

22 control spells

4 tundra
4 w/u shocklands
4 wasteland
8 fetch lands

Proceed to lol as you walk all over your group with vintage caw blade.
If you're going to do vintage why would you play that pile?

Yxoque wrote:
This forum can't even ****ing self-destruct properly.

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4 jace the mind sculptor 4 stoneforge mystic 4 squadron hawk Sword of light and shadow Sword of war and piece Sword of feast and famine Sword of fire and ice 2 batterskull. 18 cards 4 think twice 4 mana drain 4 force of will 4 mana leak 3 cryptic command 3 oblivion ring 22 control spells 4 tundra 4 w/u shocklands 4 wasteland 8 fetch lands Proceed to lol as you walk all over your group with vintage caw blade.


Yup, 'cause every casual playgroup throws together value vintage cards to beat some hodge podge token deck that Damnation and co would have a field day with.
I'm all about super-control in MTG. If you're able to stop my shenanigans, then there aren't enough shenanigans. Lv 1 Judge Current Decklists Sweeping Beauty (Casual) A Vision of Clones (Casual) Coming soon... more decks! :-O
Well,

Go big or go home.
I didn't realise there were so many ways to deal with token strategies. I even have a few of those cards. I guess I will be building a deck to deal with it. Thanks
I'm surprised noone has mentioned Marrow Shards. It's Phyrexian so it can be used in any deck. It's cheap and gets the job done. You could easily side deck a few with any of your decks and throw them in when you play your brother.

Off subject: Could someone let me know how to link cards the way you guys are doing it? I'm new to the boards and it looks like a cleaner way than linking to Gatherer.
Off subject: Could someone let me know how to link cards the way you guys are doing it? I'm new to the boards and it looks like a cleaner way than linking to Gatherer. 


[c]Runeclaw Bear[/c] becomes Runeclaw Bear
[c=Runeclaw Bear]Big Teddy[/c] becomes Big Teddy
I'm all about super-control in MTG. If you're able to stop my shenanigans, then there aren't enough shenanigans. Lv 1 Judge Current Decklists Sweeping Beauty (Casual) A Vision of Clones (Casual) Coming soon... more decks! :-O
I had actually just found the FAQ and read that when you posted your reply according to the timing. Thank you for your quick response.
4 jace the mind sculptor
4 stoneforge mystic
4 squadron hawk
Sword of light and shadow
Sword of war and piece
Sword of feast and famine
Sword of fire and ice
2 batterskull.

18 cards

4 think twice
4 mana drain
4 force of will
4 mana leak
3 cryptic command
3 oblivion ring

22 control spells

4 tundra
4 w/u shocklands
4 wasteland
8 fetch lands

Proceed to lol as you walk all over your group with vintage caw blade.

Why would you run Mana Leak and not just Counterspell?
Why would you run Think Twice in Legacy? Why would you run 22 lands in a control deck without Brainstorm? Why would you not run Brainstorm? Why would you run six equipment including two copies of the one you're least likely to need multiples of?

The answer in all cases is: because that list is godawful.
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Why would you run Think Twice in Legacy? Why would you run 22 lands in a control deck without Brainstorm? Why would you not run Brainstorm? Why would you run six equipment including two copies of the one you're least likely to need multiples of?

The answer in all cases is: because that list is godawful.

Haha, fair enough.

Edit: Although he did say Vintage in which Brainstorm in banned. Either way your main point is still valid.

Edit 2: I'm bad at reading apparently. Brainstorm is Restricted.
I'm surprised noone has mentioned Marrow Shards. It's Phyrexian so it can be used in any deck. It's cheap and gets the job done. You could easily side deck a few with any of your decks and throw them in when you play your brother.

Off subject: Could someone let me know how to link cards the way you guys are doing it? I'm new to the boards and it looks like a cleaner way than linking to Gatherer.



Marrow Shards vs Intangible Virtue

That's why
I love trolls Dont hate me because I'm blunt and you cannot handle it
Haha, fair enough.

Edit: Although he did say Vintage in which Brainstorm in banned. Either way your main point is still valid.

Edit 2: I'm bad at reading apparently. Brainstorm is Restricted.


It fails even more as a Vintage deck than a Legacy one (what with the lack of moxes and such) so I assumed that was a mistake.
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My favorite Vintage list is Slash Panther.dec
A little bit of courage is the real magic.
Why would you run Think Twice in Legacy? Why would you run 22 lands in a control deck without Brainstorm? Why would you not run Brainstorm? Why would you run six equipment including two copies of the one you're least likely to need multiples of?

The answer in all cases is: because that list is godawful.



Are you kidding? That list is a suggestion to beat a standard token deck in a (let's just call it) semi-casual match.

You don't need the most optimal and well tuned tournament deck for something like this. calling it "godawful" is just a tad silly. Calling it "unoptimized" or "unrefined" would be much more proper lol.

You don't need the most optimal and well tuned tournament deck for something like this. calling it "godawful" is just a tad silly. Calling it "unoptimized" or "unrefined" would be much more proper lol.


Because he drew attention to the fact that the list was vintage competitive, when it wasn't.


*Courtesy of XKCD*
A little bit of courage is the real magic.
My favorite Vintage list is Slash Panther.dec

Because no one (myself included) believes it's real at first?
My favorite Vintage list is Slash Panther.dec

Because no one (myself included) believes it's real at first?


Yes.

Because most people with a bit of game sense look at the card and immediately dismiss it as a pile of crap. Then it becomes a key card in a successful vintage deck.
A little bit of courage is the real magic.
My favorite Vintage list is Slash Panther.dec

Because no one (myself included) believes it's real at first?


Yes.

Because most people with a bit of game sense look at the card and immediately dismiss it as a pile of crap. Then it becomes a key card in a successful vintage deck.



Yeah, I thought Slash Panther in the most powerful format ever was a joke at first, too. I guess it's because I mainly evaluate cards with Standard in mind.
I didn't expect that Slash Panther would be good in Vintage, but I wasn't surprised: Juggernaut used to be good and Slash Panther is better.
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We have tried sever the bloodline and alpha brawl and they seem to have some effect, but we can't rely on those cards alone to stop him. Any suggestions for me and my group? We run all sorts of decks so any card at all (that isn't insanely expensive or hard to get) would be nice.
Thanks


Your brother's deck sucks. That is fact. The advice that I have is to not make a deck that is "better" than his, but you only need to make a deck that sucks less than his does.

That is all. 

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Disregard women acquire chase rares.
There are a lot of dudes for whom this is not optional.
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How;s a 2 drop 1/2, Flying broken? What am I missing?
You're missing it because *turns Storm Crows sideways* all your base are belong to Chuck Norris and every other overused meme ever.
Cuz its for a casual table. I wouldnt take that list to a vintage event. I literally pulled that off the top oof my head.
The easiest way to beat such a deck is just to go combo. You can pretty much lock in turn 5 wins with most combo decks and many of them are not very expensive or at least can be made cheaply if you drop the expensive duals.

For instance something like this works off the simple curio bounce activating a pruromancer.
4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 goblin bushwhacker
4 Cinder Pyromancer

4 Cloudstone Curio
4 lightning helix
4 grapeshot
4 Rise of the Hobgoblins
2 Glorious Anthem
2 Glory of Warfare

4 mountain
4 plains
4 plateau
4 Forbidding Watchtower
4 ghitu encampment

Or the same idea using another function, this time a persist creature, a -1/-1 counter removal option and a blasting station.
4 treefolk harbinger
4 safehold elite
4 kitchen finks
4 juniper order ranger
1 melira, sylvok outcast
1 ajani goldmane

4 power conduit
4 swords to plowshares
4 blasting station
3 contagion clasp
1 sylvan library
1 smokestack
1 rancor

You can of course just go for the infinte mana with something simple like basalt monolith and power artifact. Or go complicated with any of a number of different infinite mana engines(I am kinda partial to heartless summoning decks or recursive creatures such as myr retriever and ashnod's altar.

Here is a heartless example.
4 manaforge cinder
4 grinning ignus
4 adaptive automaton
4 coal stoker
4 vengevine

4 heartless summoning
3 cloudstone curio
2 equilibrium
2 door of destinies
1 Vernal Equinox
1 red sun's zenith
1 black sun's zenith
1 recurring nightmare
1 demonic tutor

A good combo deck is fairly resilient, has multiples of many of the pieces required, and is hard to disrupt even if you know what is coming. Most also win by turn 5 unless the other guy runs good removal.
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I don't understand the combo deck at all. I am fairly new to magic, so I don't know all the intricacies of the game yet. I also have a hard time understanding something unless someone shows me how it works (learn by doing and watching) or by explaining it to me very thoroughly. I don't understand a lot about terms like 'combo deck' or the 'slash panther deck' or why vintage is such a powerful format. My experience is only a couple prereleases for innistrad and dark ascension and roughly 40 games with my friends. And most of those were 3 or 4 player multiplayer.

Despite that, I have lots of cards and decks that I have built from online suggestions consisting of mostly 'standard' format cards and 'modern' format cards. I don't own any really interesting game ending cards or anything that most people are suggesting on here. I have a few, but not a lot. The good cards I did have, I traded at the store. (bad move on my part, I know)

So ya, basically I dont get the combos listed in the above posts. I just dont get how they work or would be able to kill anyone by turn 5. Anyone feel like taking a bit of time to explain?