Why isn't Persuasion a class skill for Jedi?

Jedi are known for being negotiators and diplomats first, relying on their lightsabers last.

To me, it made little sense to have persuasion not a class skill for Jedi.
That's odd, I always saw the Jedi as being powerful and knowledgable warriors first.  It is those things combined with being given some athority that often leads them to being negotiators and diplomats.

Now if you are looking for some reasons the Jedi CLASS doesn't get Persuasion as a trained skill there are many:
1.  Jedi is a combat class.  What do you think a full BAB and getting to start with 30 hit points means?
2.  Force Users often have a higher CHA score.  Because CHA is also the key ability for Persuasion, as well as Deception, and all ofthe skill's uses can be done untrained they are naturally better at it then most people.
3.  Most of those Jedi "negotiators" and "diplomats" are going to be higher level characters.  The higher level means a higher basic skill modifier and often times Persuasion is checked against the WILL Defense which usually isn't that high for non-heroic characters.
4.  The Jedi class can get "Persuasion" counted as a trained skill by taking Force Persuasion.  Force Persuasion may be a 2nd-tier talent but it's prereq is the only Mechanical reason I can see for someone in the Jedi class to need the Persuasion skill.
5.  In SAGA class does NOT equal concept.  I know that if I want a Jedi Negotiator or Diplomate I'm probably going to start the character in a different class, usually Noble but occasionally Scoundrel.  I'll start in the non-Jedi class to get immediate access to those skills and take Force Sensitivity as my first level feat so I can also get UtF trained.
6.  Although this relates to some of the other things you can multiclass to get access to Persuasion and then train the skill by using the Skill Training feat or just by increasing your INT modifier.

If those reasons aren't enough to show you why Persuasion is not on the list of class skills for the Jedi class I'm afraid there is no answer you will accept.
 
Thank you.
Jedi are known for being negotiators and diplomats first, relying on their lightsabers last.



How many times in the movies do you see Jedi negotiating? And how many times do you see them using their lightsabers?

The Jedi are guardians of peace and justice in the Republic. Diplomacy is all well and good, and many Jedi become quite skilled at it, but it's not their job description. They are peace keepers. If someone is disrupting the peace, they step in and stop it. That's their job.
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Jedi are known for being negotiators and diplomats first, relying on their lightsabers last.



How many times in the movies do you see Jedi negotiating? And how many times do you see them using their lightsabers?

The Jedi are guardians of peace and justice in the Republic. Diplomacy is all well and good, and many Jedi become quite skilled at it, but it's not their job description. They are peace keepers. If someone is disrupting the peace, they step in and stop it. That's their job.



Quigon and Obiwan were sent as negotiators at the begining of episode 1, right?
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#History_of_...


"Remember, a Jedi fights only as a last resort. If you are forced to draw your lightsaber, you have already forfeited much of your advantage. A Jedi trusts the Force and at first seeks other ways to resolve problems: patience, logic, tolerance, attentive listening, negotiation, persuasion, calming techniques. But there are times when a Jedi must fight."
Luke Skywalker to his students.[src]
Jedi are known for being negotiators and diplomats first, relying on their lightsabers last.



How many times in the movies do you see Jedi negotiating? And how many times do you see them using their lightsabers?

 



Quigon and Obiwan were sent as negotiators at the begining of episode 1, right?



Well you answered part of the question, that's a good start. Though I'll note that even in that case, the negotiations never took place, and even if they had, I'm not sure how diplomatic they would have been. There's a reason Chancellor Valorum sent Jedi, not Republic diplomats. Jedi are more intimidating by far. As the Neimoidians quickly realized, the Jedi were there to force a settlement. But I digress.

The Jedi are characters in a genre of fiction that's built around heroic action. Nobody wants to see Robin Hood negotiating better treatment for the people of Nottingham. They want to see Robin Hood swoop in, do some incredible, death defying stunts that border on downright magical, and give the bad guys what for.
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No the jedi were there to bring about peaceful relations and resolve the situation w/o violence first. If the TF did well what they did. Then the jedi have to defend themselves and the people of Naboo don't they? the whole idea behind sending the jedi was that realizing that the federation wasn't going to listen to anyone else Valorum sent the only people they might listen to inorder to avoid anymore violent action.
No the jedi were there to bring about peaceful relations and resolve the situation w/o violence first. If the TF did well what they did. Then the jedi have to defend themselves and the people of Naboo don't they? the whole idea behind sending the jedi was that realizing that the federation wasn't going to listen to anyone else Valorum sent the only people they might listen to inorder to avoid anymore violent action.



If the jedi were only concerned with having peaceful relations and resolving the situation without violence, there was no need to show up in person.  Negotiations can happen by electronic means just fine.

Jedi showing up in person is entirely a threat of force designed to intimidate the Trade Federation into ending their lawful blockade of Naboo.
One thing to bear in mind is that properly-trained Jedi can short-circuit much of the need for negotiating skills with a wave of their hand and a bit of Force.

Another is that SWSE's class system is built around easy multiclassing, and doesn't need to keep all the tools necessary for building every variant of Jedi in the box labelled "Jedi". Taking a quick dip into another class to broaden one's skill-set doesn't make a character any less of a Jedi. 
Another is that SWSE's class system is built around easy multiclassing, and doesn't need to keep all the tools necessary for building every variant of Jedi in the box labelled "Jedi". Taking a quick dip into another class to broaden one's skill-set doesn't make a character any less of a Jedi. 

This, and the general balance between the classes. 

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Also OleOneEye there was a reason for having the jedi on hand. Realizing that the Federation wasn't going to seriously and truthfully negotiate with anyone else - they sent the jedi as a possible deterrent. If the federation didn't want to negotiate they(the jedi) can defend themselves better than normal diplomats can - case in point what actually happened rather than talk it out they tried to kill the negotiators. Jedi can be both diplomat and warrior. They can attempt to come to an compromise or agreement first or defend themselves when the other side becomes to agressive.
Jedi are known for being negotiators and diplomats first, relying on their lightsabers last.



How many times in the movies do you see Jedi negotiating? And how many times do you see them using their lightsabers?

 



Quigon and Obiwan were sent as negotiators at the begining of episode 1, right?



Well you answered part of the question, that's a good start. Though I'll note that even in that case, the negotiations never took place, and even if they had, I'm not sure how diplomatic they would have been. There's a reason Chancellor Valorum sent Jedi, not Republic diplomats. Jedi are more intimidating by far. As the Neimoidians quickly realized, the Jedi were there to force a settlement. But I digress.

The Jedi are characters in a genre of fiction that's built around heroic action. Nobody wants to see Robin Hood negotiating better treatment for the people of Nottingham. They want to see Robin Hood swoop in, do some incredible, death defying stunts that border on downright magical, and give the bad guys what for.




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