01/11/2012 BoaB: "Revealing the Secrets"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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57817638 wrote:
I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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56747598 wrote:
57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
56747598 wrote:
76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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57864098 wrote:
57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
56816728 wrote:
56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
70246459 wrote:
WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
56957928 wrote:
OH MY GOD
109874309 wrote:
The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
56874518 wrote:
Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
70246459 wrote:
58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
57817638 wrote:
57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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57309598 wrote:
I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
58325628 wrote:
Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
Doug Beyer:
But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
57927608 wrote:
to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
58347268 wrote:
when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
143229641 wrote:
I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
Omega137:
Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right." Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"
Zigeif777:
Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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94618431 wrote:
I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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97980259 wrote:
My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
70246459 wrote:
[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
Forget flashblack, I'm really looking forward to this with my Retrace decks.  Raven's Crime just got that much better.
This card is great for Limited, too. Build-around-me cards like Furnace Celebration traditionally had the problem that the theme would get diluted as the block progressed and you couldn't build around it anymore. I see they fixed that here, by continuing the same build-around theme with a different, complementary effect. As an uncommon in a small set, it should be very draftable.
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What this deck needs, while still staying in the budget part of the 'mission', is a full set of Delvers of Secrets. With a deck with so many cards that transform it, it is really a waste to not put this little 1-2 punch creature in.

Also, it is your gameplan vs Thrun in a very good way. You just win the race and force the opponent's deck to play on the defensive.
And once you get into rare using territory. Our friendly neighbourhood Snappie of course fills the gap of the few non-flashback and expensive flashback cards.

Agree with above posters though. Great to see another flashback-using enchantment. I was just building a fun Burning Vengeance deck for this week's FNM again, and this card is sorely missed now I know it will be released in DA!
Another well-written article (I really like the card by card reasoning), and a deck that undeniably belongs in this column. Two for two in the new year, JVL. Keep up the good work.
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I know this column was supposed to be about revealing one card, but Faithless Looting has already been revealed and confirmed in the card image gallery. It was silly not to go ahead and include it. I would easily cut some combination of Think Twice, Desperate Ravings, and Forbidden Alchemy to include FL as a four of. It helps you find your combo pieces, or get rid of them if you already have too many in hand, plus it fills your graveyard with the fodder you'll need later on. 
Another uncommon for this deck could be: Altar of the Lost, it replaces the grottos and it makes it a lot easier to cast any flashback. 
On the rare note: devils play is not expansive and fits the deck.
Cackling Counterpart could work against fatties, but its rare and it still cant deal with the Troll.

Anyway, nice deck.
Job well done, thanks. 
oh and Faithless Looting lets you ditch unnecessary cards in your hand.
That's a nice and fun deck to play with, even without the Secrets of the Dead... I miss Faithless Looting indeed, i'm sure that's at least a 3-of in this deck

On the rare note: devils play is not expansive and fits the deck.
Cackling Counterpart could work against fatties, but its rare and it still cant deal with the Troll.



Cackling Counterpart can only target creatures you control.  However, I agree that Devil's Play should be in the deck (though he did say he was building it without rares).  Also, Delver should be in there too.  Without a Burning Vengeance out, the deck can only do 20 damage (8 from Geistflame and 12 from Incinerate).  I don't see how this deck could overcome a Pristine Talisman or a Timely Reinforcements if they are able to get one through the counters.
4 Desperate Ravings and 4 Think Twice seem to me to be too much - you will be drawing cards that let you draw more cards far too often.  I think that you need 4 Burning Vengeance and 3 Secrets of the Dead to be able to push through enough damage.
I think that Faithless Looting and this are what my Burning Vengeance deck needed to become competitive. Thank you Wizards. I'm so ecstatic about this card, that I'm more excited for it than for Sorin. And I second the suggestion for Delver of Secrets in his build.
On the topic of Treasure Mage: Hello planeswalkers. Look at your hand, now back to me, now back to your hand, now back to me. Sadly, your hand doesn't have a big game-winning bomb in it, but if you searched through your library for an artifact with converted mana cost of 6 or greater, you could get one. Look down, now back up, shuffle your library. Where are you? You're in a Magic game, and you're losing. What's that in your hand? It's a Wurmcoil Engine. Look again, the Wurmcoil Engine is now a ticket to Nagoya. Anything is possible when you cast Treasure Mage. I'm on a dragon. Currently Playing: U/R Burning Vengeance Control 10-2 http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ur-burning-vengeance-2/
Burning Vengeance is all well and good, but Gravecrawler seems completely bonkers with it. Any free sac outlet + zombie makes it a crazy efficient draw engine and Grimgrin does both of those things while doubling as a win condition thats immune to pretty much all spot removal except for GftT.

Secrets + Zombie Infestation + 2 dead Gravecrawlers lets you immediately make 6 power of zombies after a wrath for the low cost of cycling two cards for B each.

Also, makes Snapcaster a 3-for-1.

If UB zombo isn't a deck after this, I will eat my hat.

On the rare note: devils play is not expansive and fits the deck.
Cackling Counterpart could work against fatties, but its rare and it still cant deal with the Troll.



Cackling Counterpart can only target creatures you control.  However, I agree that Devil's Play should be in the deck (though he did say he was building it without rares).  Also, Delver should be in there too.  Without a Burning Vengeance out, the deck can only do 20 damage (8 from Geistflame and 12 from Incinerate).  I don't see how this deck could overcome a Pristine Talisman or a Timely Reinforcements if they are able to get one through the counters.
4 Desperate Ravings and 4 Think Twice seem to me to be too much - you will be drawing cards that let you draw more cards far too often.  I think that you need 4 Burning Vengeance and 3 Secrets of the Dead to be able to push through enough damage.


lol missed the "you control" line...
i agree on the 4 - 3 split for Burning Vengeance. 
I can't wait to get my hands on this card. I've been running a Burning Vengeance deck that I love for awhile now, and this is only going to make it better. As for the deck, I would suggest splashing black. It gives you access to cards like Doom Blade, Tribute to Hunger (which can help take care of thrun), and Sever the Bloodline. It also makes it easier to flashback Forbidden Alchemy. Unfortunately, the mana base can get kinda expensive, as you start getting into some dual lands, but it definitely makes it easier to deal with more threats. 
Dear Wizards of the Coast,

Please fire Jacob Van Lunen.  His decks are consistently terrible.  I only read his article becasue it makes me laugh at what a horrible deck builder he is.
Dear Wizards of the Coast,

Please fire Jacob Van Lunen.  His decks are consistently terrible.  I only read his article becasue it makes me laugh at what a horrible deck builder he is.




It's a good thing you were so specific and constructive with your criticism or people might not have paid it any attention.
Dear Wizards of the Coast,

Please fire Jacob Van Lunen.  His decks are consistently terrible.  I only read his article becasue it makes me laugh at what a horrible deck builder he is.


Some Trolls have hexproof and some trolls are just trolls....
Dear Wizards of the Coast,

Please fire Jacob Van Lunen.  His decks are consistently terrible.  I only read his article becasue it makes me laugh at what a horrible deck builder he is.



Trollololol. Maybe time to actually show your actual account instead of making a new one to specifically slam him.

If you have a problem, say it. If you have no specific ideas, shut up and let the rest of us discuss. We aren't all geniuses who can come up with tier 1 decks in out sleep, and neither is he. Unless I'm very mistaken, he was the first one to really point out that Burning Vengeance control decks could actually work.

Heck, post me an original, rogue decklist that you've managed to take undefeated forever at a PTQ or even just vs. pre-ban Caw Blade/Exarch Twin, and I'll take it back.

Until you do that, shut up.

And making a new account just to post that you want one author fired smacks of cowardice.
Lets discuss the specific problems of the deck at hand.  If you add up all the damage in the deck without burning vengance being online the deck cna only deal twenty damage.  It essentially gets whupped by anyone who is running enchant removal or anyone who can stick a fatty.
yeah this deck sucks. And I completely agree with Firelunen. Every deck I have ever played that this guy has posted to the building on a budget has completly sucked. This one for instance, I JUST built to maybe take to a standard this satuday. Forget that. I play tested it against a werewolf deck I buit and I was TROMPED. I had absolutly nothing to do. I drew a few cards, killed one reckless waif with a geistflame, and that was it. I didn't even have time to get the burning vengeance out. And that's the only win condition in the whole deck. Yes I know that I didn't have the blue card from Dark Ascension but lets face it, if I can't get burning vengeance out what good is it guna do me? I relplaced it with delver of secrets and he is the only thing that dealt damage in every game I played. And that was a grand total of 3. 
yeah this deck sucks. And I completely agree with Firelunen. Every deck I have ever played that this guy has posted to the building on a budget has completly sucked. This one for instance, I JUST built to maybe take to a standard this satuday. Forget that. I play tested it against a werewolf deck I buit and I was TROMPED. I had absolutly nothing to do. I drew a few cards, killed one reckless waif with a geistflame, and that was it. I didn't even have time to get the burning vengeance out. And that's the only win condition in the whole deck. Yes I know that I didn't have the blue card from Dark Ascension but lets face it, if I can't get burning vengeance out what good is it guna do me? I relplaced it with delver of secrets and he is the only thing that dealt damage in every game I played. And that was a grand total of 3. 


Then the troll met a sockpuppet, and the two had hot, raunchy sex all over his dad's Miata.
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count." "Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969) "Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
yeah this deck sucks. And I completely agree with Firelunen. Every deck I have ever played that this guy has posted to the building on a budget has completly sucked. This one for instance, I JUST built to maybe take to a standard this satuday. Forget that. I play tested it against a werewolf deck I buit and I was TROMPED. I had absolutly nothing to do. I drew a few cards, killed one reckless waif with a geistflame, and that was it. I didn't even have time to get the burning vengeance out. And that's the only win condition in the whole deck. Yes I know that I didn't have the blue card from Dark Ascension but lets face it, if I can't get burning vengeance out what good is it guna do me? I relplaced it with delver of secrets and he is the only thing that dealt damage in every game I played. And that was a grand total of 3. 


Then the troll met a sockpuppet, and the two had hot, raunchy sex all over his dad's Miata.



ok you think it's a good deck? Please explain to me why you think this. Instead of making stupid jokes just tell me why I am wrong and why you are right.
yeah this deck sucks. And I completely agree with Firelunen. Every deck I have ever played that this guy has posted to the building on a budget has completly sucked. This one for instance, I JUST built to maybe take to a standard this satuday. Forget that. I play tested it against a werewolf deck I buit and I was TROMPED. I had absolutly nothing to do. I drew a few cards, killed one reckless waif with a geistflame, and that was it. I didn't even have time to get the burning vengeance out. And that's the only win condition in the whole deck. Yes I know that I didn't have the blue card from Dark Ascension but lets face it, if I can't get burning vengeance out what good is it guna do me? I relplaced it with delver of secrets and he is the only thing that dealt damage in every game I played. And that was a grand total of 3. 


Then the troll met a sockpuppet, and the two had hot, raunchy sex all over his dad's Miata.



ok you think it's a good deck? Please explain to me why you think this. Instead of making stupid jokes just tell me why I am wrong and why you are right.



Do not attribute things to me that I did not say; what I said is right up there in the post immediately before your latest/first. I said nothing about the deck.
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count." "Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969) "Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
I think that Faithless Looting and this are what my Burning Vengeance deck needed to become competitive. Thank you Wizards. I'm so ecstatic about this card, that I'm more excited for it than for Sorin. And I second the suggestion for Delver of Secrets in his build.



Uh, I was just going to post a reply when I realized this person said what I was going to say and no doubt said it better!  I'm really liking the latest BoaB decks.

Simple Question: Is this deck standard worthy or not?
I mean, its going to be my first standard tournament soon and i was planning on using this deck. Do i stand a chance? And are there any cards that should be replaced? (without spending too much dosh)

Thanks!
Simple Question: Is this deck standard worthy or not?
I mean, its going to be my first standard tournament soon and i was planning on using this deck. Do i stand a chance? And are there any cards that should be replaced? (without spending too much dosh)

Thanks!



You are looking at the wrong article if you want good standard decks.  Although BoaB is getting closer to what you want with the current author, Top Decks is more of what you are looking for.  You might get somewhere with the decks that are on here but you aren't likely going to reach the top with them unless no one at the tournament plays what are considered the top tier decks.
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Hey, thanks for the honest response.
I have been taking a look at the Top Decks department but it doesn't have enough/any standard decks i like. Looks to me like its alot of Modern and legacy talk (which im not interested in, at ALL Tongue Out)

I dont need to be top 8 either, though. I just need a deck that gives me chance to get like 16th or something in a 50-player tournament.
Most of the Top Decks also cost aloooooooot of dosh, too much for someone like me sadly.