[DKA-ICD] Increasing Confusion

50 posts / 0 new
Last post
i was fully expecting Jar of Eyeballs to have the most awful name in Dark Ascension, but this is a strong challenger
192884403 wrote:
firstrike
56965458 wrote:
97820278 wrote:
56965458 wrote:
97820278 wrote:
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
My confusion... it's increasing!
Hoard of Notions: Cards and general design musings from yours truly.
Geez. What a mill card. This is going to be pretty sick in Limited, I think. You should be able to get 15 cards off of this there, and that is probably enough to win many games. Also, I like this in my Spider Spawning deck, and I have some mill decks brewing in my mind. Cool card.
IMAGE(http://images.community.wizards.com/community.wizards.com/user/blitzschnell/0a90721d221e50e5755af156c179fe51.jpg?v=90000) Check out Ars Arcanum, my stat based series on Magic Limited, over at PureMTGO. Here is a link to the archive: http://goo.gl/Zvh6Q
Any card that forces you to do multiplication, rudimentary as it may be, should always stand and make you take notice. Mill STILL won't be a standard house, but this card is very scary, especially in Limited.
This card is going to be a huge huge bomb in 3 pack limited.

It's certainly not Archive Trap though. This thing will take up two of your turns, and to be effective, force you to have 6-7 lands out. Still not enough to make me think that mill will be viable as a ISD archetype.
Dang, this gives mill reach.
This card could prove interesting.
This will mostly be used to self mill, probably for U/B shenanigans.  I doubt normal mill will be good enough in tornaments.
Eh, I think expensive mill cards are blah
Official Speaker of the Expanded Multiverse Project, Step into Dominia-Embrace the infinite Magic of the Planes. This -> is my favorite smiley, I will use it often and without reason. You have been warned.
The Story of My Love
79035425 wrote:
BURSTING WITH VIGOR!
Trolljuju wiped the sweat from his brow as he continued his slow trudge up the snowy mountain. The wind was strong and fiercely cold, but he pressed against it. Juju knew Beast Engine was somewhere at the peak, waiting for him. But this was not a matter of confronting the forces of nature themselves; that had been accomplished long before, and was now too easy to maintain the manly man's interest. Today, Beast Engine was here waiting for a friend. Trolljuju's mind drifted from his appointment to thoughts of Beast Engine's manliness. The only man in history to punch the fossilized remains of a dinosaur back to life just to punch it to death again. The man who deflected bullets with his pectoral muscles during his daily assassination attempts. The man who cured cancer with a serum made from pure crystalized virility. The man who burst with vigor. Not just a man but a Man- the manliest of all men. A god of masculinity in physical form. Trolljuju's heart fluttered at the memory of him and lightened his steps as he pressed on. Suddenly, he was shaken from his reverie by a deep, powerful rumble in the mountain that shook him to his core. Instinctively, he threw himself to the ground just before the slope ahead of him exploded in a fiery wall of light and heat. So great was the force that the entire upper section of the mountain was vaproized. It scorched Juju's coat, then rose on the air to drift far away, a plume of white-hot ash. When Trolljuju lifted his head to see what was left behind, he beheld a wide, perfectly flat stone plateau, and in the distance he could see a muscular figure, his foot still held up from the kick. There was no doubt it was Beast Engine. As soon as the ground beneath him cooled, Juju cast his heavy pack aside and ran. As the figure grew with closeness, he could see Beast Engine was nude, as was expected. The snow that fell near him turned to a thin wall of steam, looking to Trolljuju's eyes like a barrier. Engine was too strong, too manly to occupy the same space as the ordinary universe. He lived in a world all his own. But fortunately for Juju, it was only an illusion. He ran at full speed into Engine, who caught him with both arms and effortlessly twirled with him, resting with Juju dipped low to the ground in Engine's arms. "Beast Engine, my love," Trolljuju breathed, sturck with awe at Engine's masculine beauty despite the familiarity of his face. Engine just smiled, radiating from every inch of him with incredible strength, yet gentle warmth. "It's been so long, Juju. I've missed you." "Forgive me. I lost contact with you while you were boxing with Death to win back and consume the soul of Theodore Roosevelt. But now I'm here..." Juju lifted one tentative hand to Engine's face, but he pulled away. "You know I cannot give you what you seek. Were we to make love, your body would be destroyed by the force." "I know, of course I would," Juju responded, tears in his eyes. "May I have, at least, one kiss?" "Very well. For you, my friend." Slowly, gingerly, they came closer. But the moment their lips met, a flood of unbridled manliness rushed into Trolljuju, body and soul, and every cell in his body exploded. Beast Engine fell to his knees, and in his grief, he wept. The tears that fell from his face burned deep into the rock beneath him. But slowly, his sorrow turned to conviction. He beat the crap out of Death once. He could do it again.
Self-Mill likes this, as it lets them keep going even when they accidentally mill their enablers.


It's not very good at milling the opponent, though. 
This is auto-going in my Wrexial Mill EDH deck. This card makes me giggle like a little school girl. Im sooo esited. =)
Self-Mill likes this, as it lets them keep going even when they accidentally mill their enablers.





Slave of Tibalt. Currently trading for foils of my bro. PM me. Tarmogoyf on Twitter. Follow me. Team GFG Guns, Fame, Glory Those that require a sig for the ego simply haven't had enough kind words thrown his or her way. Currently looking for prerelease Plains! People who have mailed me rares:
Show
Malpheas: THANK YOU FOR THE FOIL TIBALT, YOU BEAUTIFUL GUY, YOU! Suudsu2200: Armageddon! Sèance, Dominating Licid, Words of War, Gaea's Anthem, Momentous Fall, Nyxathid PM me to make it happen. Your username will end up here, as the cards you sent me. I reserve the right to order your usernames by the cards I liked the best. Oh, and if you send me some Islands in the package, I'll sign them and mail them back.
I'm really glad they are seriously giving mill a chance at being competitive.
this seems really awesome. mana sinks are usually appreciated in draft, and in a self-mill deck this will be amazing.
I'm really glad they are seriously giving mill a chance at being competitive.




NOOOOOPE CHUCK TESTA 
Mark Rosewater on flashback in Dark Ascension: "Flashback – Continuing flashback meant a few things. First, the Innfstrad design team came up with more effects than we were able to fit into Innistrad, and Dark Ascensionallowed us a chance to make these cards. Second, we were able to do a second off-color flashback cycle, this time going in the opposite direction on the color wheel. Third, we came up with a cool rare cycle with a twist that would allow flashback to do something it's never done before."

I wonder if Increasing Confusion is part of this cycle.

Card Name
Mana Cost + X
Do X
Flashback: Mana Cost + X
If you flashback card name, do X twice.
Wise words on how to conceal a polymorphed dragon from detection. . .
57064968 wrote:
Through a tarp over it, with the words "DM Exposition & Fluff File."Because players ignore fluff & exposition all the time.
This card is dangerous. Use blue's various control techniques until you can set up the MyrMana combo. Set it off, play this card, opponent must mill 5 billion cards and loses.

IF this was instant, then mill would be viable.
Website for my radio series: http://www.cyrusbalesfilms.co.uk/id2.html For the facebook group of my radio series, search for "Who will save us now?" Please join! Follow my regular articles on: http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/
Self-Mill likes this, as it lets them keep going even when they accidentally mill their enablers.






GW

Cookie Count: 1 million + 1039 Wooden Spoon Count: 2 YMtC Trophies 1st: 9 2nd: 11 3rd: 13 4th: 4 I lost >6000 posts during the last forum migration. #14000th post at 05/11/09 #15000th post at 22/02/10 #16000th post at 10/06/10 #17000th post at 27/10/10 #18000th post at 27/04/11 #19000th post at 24/08/11 #20000th post at 21/04/12 #21000th post at 21/01/13

IF this was instant, then mill would be viable.



I was going to say just that. Why couldn't this have been made instant? I think it would have made things interesting to say the least.

<a href="http://www.wizards.com/Magic/PlaneswalkerPoints/1206663433"><img src="http://pwp.wizards.com/1206663433/Scorecards/Landscape.png" border="0" /></a>

Not a terrible mill card. At worst it's a fun casual card.
True post count: 9,900 Thanks Wotc for not counting archived posts. If I post without capital letters than means I'm posting from my phone. For some reason it hates typing capital letters. Go_Texans on MTGO. Texans 12-4 Wildcard: W Texans 19 Bengals 13 Divisional: L Texans 28 Patriots 41 Another awesome season!
Infinite mill with the right comboes? Very awesome, and gives mill late game steam
Decks I run
Show
I currently run a deck for Standard, Modern, Commander and Legacy. For standard, I have a typical, horribly budget Rakdos Deck Wins. For Modern, I have a B/G/U/W Draw-go Reanimator featuring my favorite creature, Wurmcoil Engine. For Legacy, I'm trying too hard to break Pyromancer Ascension. I also run a Naya Zoo with all the oldies. For Commander/EDH, I'm running The Mimeoplasm. A little morals thing about me, I like winning through combos, but not infinitely. However quiet, I am a Christian, so feel free to tell me you are too, it's always a relief.
How to be saved?
Show
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved and your house. Book of Acts 16:31
Cheers!

IF this was instant, then mill would be viable.



archive trap was never constructed playable.
at instant it would be very op, and why do people keep saying its mill when its just as much dredge?

You basically get 12 of the card in your deck for 4 slots...

IF this was instant, then mill would be viable.



archive trap was never constructed playable.


archive trap was a conditional cost mill that was not playable, since it was costed at 5 unless the player searched their library. Sure during the set it was from there was alot of library searching going on, but later of it was a horrible card. This is at least interesting that you pay for it then you get double if you pay for it again out of the yard. Not great mind but more efficant.

"Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead." —Jaya Ballard, task mage

archive trap was a conditional cost mill that was not playable, since it was costed at 5 unless the player searched their library. Sure during the set it was from there was alot of library searching going on, but later of it was a horrible card. This is at least interesting that you pay for it then you get double if you pay for it again out of the yard. Not great mind but more efficant.


archive trap cost 5 and mill 13. a lot of the times it cost 0. it's also an instant.
this card cost 6 to mill 5 the first time around, then 6 to mill 10 when flashback.

how is this more efficient?
this card has nothing to do with archive trap, the second word in the textbox makes sure of that...

this card as a 4 of with a little support (except good mana) allows you to mill yourself or your opponent almost guaranteed
the secondary text states that if you do it from the yard you double the amount of cards discarded. Its not way more efficant but I could see something like using it in a u/b discard zombie deck of some sort.
"Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead." —Jaya Ballard, task mage
this card has nothing to do with archive trap, the second word in the textbox makes sure of that...

this card as a 4 of with a little support (except good mana) allows you to mill yourself or your opponent almost guaranteed



self-mill is the only way it could be played is what i was saying. for mill decks archive trap is more efficient.

saying that this makes mill deck playable or that instant speed makes this op is just wrong tbh. it's a very narrow engine designed solely to mill yourself. (and for that it's certainly good, don't get me wrong) the only way this interacts with actual mill deck is that an opponent using this card makes their job easier.
at instant it is too strong because you can keep counter mana up and mill at end of turn, imo
at instant it is too strong because you can keep counter mana up and mill at end of turn, imo



that would be op because....?
Mark Rosewater on flashback in Dark Ascension: "Flashback – Continuing flashback meant a few things. First, the Innfstrad design team came up with more effects than we were able to fit into Innistrad, and Dark Ascensionallowed us a chance to make these cards. Second, we were able to do a second off-color flashback cycle, this time going in the opposite direction on the color wheel. Third, we came up with a cool rare cycle with a twist that would allow flashback to do something it's never done before."

I wonder if Increasing Confusion is part of this cycle.

Card Name
Mana Cost + X
Do X
Flashback: Mana Cost + X
If you flashback card name, do X twice.



I wouldn't be surprised.
MaRo's fondness of things that double things is legend.
I would jump for joy if we got a Blaze variant of this nature if it is in fact a cycle. I guess we already got Devil's Play in Inn, but a "do X damage, do X damage x2 if it is flashed back" would be spectacular and would make :R: better in limited.

May be too powerful, but one can certainly hope.
"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
I would jump for joy if we got a Blaze variant of this nature if it is in fact a cycle. I guess we already got Devil's Play in Inn, but a "do X damage, do X damage x2 if it is flashed back" would be spectacular and would make :R: better in limited.

May be too powerful, but one can certainly hope.



Devil's Play is already first pickable. They won't make another since the two cards would only dilute one another.
Yeah I agree this would have been stronger if it was instant, but they don't like to make flashback cards that can interact with the opponent into instants because then the opponent feels bad for not noticing them. This doesn't seem heaps interactive but the potential for surprise deaths if you don't block Boneyard Wurm or Wreath of Geists could have been an issue.
Mark Rosewater on flashback in Dark Ascension: "Flashback – Continuing flashback meant a few things. First, the Innfstrad design team came up with more effects than we were able to fit into Innistrad, and Dark Ascensionallowed us a chance to make these cards. Second, we were able to do a second off-color flashback cycle, this time going in the opposite direction on the color wheel. Third, we came up with a cool rare cycle with a twist that would allow flashback to do something it's never done before."

I wonder if Increasing Confusion is part of this cycle.

Card Name
Mana Cost + X
Do X
Flashback: Mana Cost + X
If you flashback card name, do X twice.



I wouldn't be surprised.
MaRo's fondness of things that double things is legend.



Looks that way, given the white token-making one.
I like making alternative win conditions plausible, but holy balls, when did Stroke of Genius get the "best straight mill spell" yoinked from it's hand?
IMAGE(http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af108/acatan/sigwynzermancopy.png) Signature by IMAGE(http://www.poke-amph.com/heartgoldsoulsilver/sprites/258.png)

Archive Trap required you to have all four copies usually to win. This card, if instant, would scale to your needs better. It's not about how many card for what mana investment you get, it's a control deck, what's important is how many cards is takes you to have in order to mill them out, since you are card advantage based, not combo.

And for the record, Archive trap did see sompetitive play. There was the UG mill deck that posted X-0 and X-1 records at several national in the standard portions. There were some mill decks that picked soleyl on caw blade for a while as well. But the UG mill deck around the time of nats was really good.
Website for my radio series: http://www.cyrusbalesfilms.co.uk/id2.html For the facebook group of my radio series, search for "Who will save us now?" Please join! Follow my regular articles on: http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/
i would rather play tome scour, but that's just me...
Mill isn't going to be competetive hmkay

But this is kinda neat, especially for milling yourself.