DDI pitch feedback -- list of topics that won't be looked at

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In the interest of trying to help people out, I thought I'd share some of the results from my DDI pitch responses. This thread is intended to provide a list of things that the DDI team has told people won't be considered because they've either been very well supported in the recent past or haven't caught traction with the player base and won't be supported further.

The following has been sent to me through other channels, excerpted from a rejection e-mail sent to another contributor. It may be of use to everybody:


FYI: In 2012, we’re looking to provide less game support for the D&D 4E “core world” (as described in the Nerathi Legends articles and featured in the Conquest of Nerath Board Game) and more support for DM’s home games (in the form of generic, non-world-specific content) as well as classic D&D campaigns (FR, Eberron, Dark Sun, and to a lesser extent out-of-print settings).



1) I pitched two psionic item sets -- response: item sets didn't catch on with players and won't be further supported.
2) I pitched a Vestige Pact Hexblade -- response: warlock very well supported in print products & DDI; not interested.
3) Mark Meredith of DiceMonkey.net pitched both mass combat and naval combat rules. These both got responses of "if we tackle something this large, we'll do it in-house."
4) Mark Meredith also pitched an Unearthed Arcana on grievous wounds, based on the disease track rules.  Response: Already in the works.

In the related ENWorld thread here, Craig Campbell (who wrote the Baba Yaga's Hut adventure in November) listed these points. I've renumbered them to be consistent with this list.

5)  Avoid things that hearken to D&D's past of devil and demon worship. Adventures that play into devil worship (including "deals with the devil") will be summarily rejected.
6) Regarding Backdrops, Wizards folks favor articles that describe locations in previouly-published material over all-new, custom-designed backdrops that aren't specifically tied to published campaign settings.
7) Content built around seafaring is already in the works.
8)  Sidetreks and adventures built around the D&D trope of "road bandits" has been done before. There's a sidetrek in the works in this theme.
9) Bazaar of the Bizarre articles are submitted often. Don't propose such an article unless you have a GREAT hook for such an article.

Brian Liberge (who write a fair amount of 4E stuff for Kobold Quarterly) adds this:
10) Wizards is absolutely not interested in getting more material about the Abyssal Plague.

From Cailte:
11) If you pitch Dragonlance make sure it is clear when it is set and it is best to take into account the current events in DL.

12) I was told " We already have as much runepriest material as we need for the foreseeable future."

13) Avoid pitches that suggest the PCs have a particular role in the world, especially if it's something like Cormeryan noble.

Per Gadren:
14) No arcane archers in 4E. Chris (Perkins?) has finally said that people aren't interested and the Seeker fills the niche already.

On the cross-post thread at ENWorld, Joshua Randall has added
15) "We’re not interested in exploring optional initiative rules at this time, and the game already allows strikers and others who tend to roll high initiative to delay and act later in the round."

From the 17 January 2012 Rule of Three column:
16) Articles that take a class or race and turn them into something that they are not; for example, don't pitch "I want to design a wizard build that is a striker" or "I want to design a halfling subrace that is geared toward being a fighter." That kind of material is really better suited to the books, and requires a lot of expertise and development time to pull off well.

17) Redesigning something that exists as something else; we're not interested in seeing an "arcane archer" class when we have the seeker, even though there's a power source difference. Something smaller that does something similar—to continue the above example, new material for the bard that focus on songbows—would be better.

18) No articles that reimagine something we've already done in previous editions as their primary goal.

19) Highly scripted adventures are likely to be rejected. If your adventure pitch reads more like a short story, reconsider. The players need to be able to have an impact on the adventure.

20) Articles that require a lot of campaign context to pull off; it's OK to pull ideas from your own campaign, but be aware that articles of that nature sometimes would not work without the context of your own campaign. If it relies on a lot of other elements of your campaign, it probably won't work as an article.

21) Specific beats general; don't pitch an article on "The Astral Sea" but focus on one aspect of the Astral Sea, for example.

22) High-impact story elements; if dropping it into the world has a huge impact, it's harder to use and makes more work for the DM.

23) General advice articles.

24) Unearthed Arcana articles that further complicate or lengthen encounters.

25) Right now we're full up on Bazaar of the Bizarre, Tavern Profiles, and Bestiary articles. Also, don't pitch articles for the "Eye on..." Columns. Those are columns tied to specific authors.

Comments to John duBois (removing duplicates)
26) Articles dealing with one particular area of a campaign setting are better than articles that are literally all over the map.

27) Thumbs down on articles that are too "niche" (in particular in reference to an article on Small-size barbarians)

28) Thumbs down on articles that try to fill a perceived mechanical void without story development or flavor attached.

29) Strong hints that articles containing system-agnostic content may be viewed with a more positive eye (which was confusing to me in early December, but makes a lot more sense now).

From embertiger:
30)  They're not interested in full articles on a new artifact.  They prefer to integrate these into adventures.
31)  They don't want detailed encounter settings/set pieces unless they already have a map to use.

Last update: 27 January 2012; 8:30 PM CST
Personally, I'd hold off on sharing stuff that WotC said can be repitched.
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Personally, I'd hold off on sharing stuff that WotC said can be repitched.



I waffled about those. Removing from original post for the time being.
A list of piches rejected entirely would actualy be very useful (ideally from some official channel, but unofficially is almost as good) - it clearly will save both the potential authors, and Wizards, time and money in the future - not wasted in writing unwanted material, not wasted in reading unwanted material.

I'd put one of my own up, but I never actually submitted anyway.
Harrying your Prey, the Easy Way: A Hunter's Handbook - the first of what will hopefully be many CharOp efforts on my part. The Blinker - teleport everywhere. An Eladrin Knight/Eldritch Knight. CB != rules source.
Thanks for putting those up, Jeff! (This is Mark Meredith, by the way) I hope to see what else got rejected.
Updated with everything I know of through 1/9/2012.

Related: Kobold Quarterly will no longer offer stand-along 4E print products, but appears to be open to continued web and magazine submissions.
i guess pretty much any 4e article will be getting rejected here soon
Confirmed today via Twitter that KQ is still open to 4E web and magazine submissions.

Edited to add: froth, the purpose of this thread is not for anything speculation based. If you've got something to add based on feedback you received during the most recent open window, put it into the thread. Otherwise, please quit threadcrapping.
Just want to chime in here to confirm that they are not interested in anything from the Nentir Vale and Points of Light. My guess is FR/Eberron/DS only until 5e is launched. Seeing as how FR will be supported from launch day of 5e, that's probably your best bet for future pitches.
Just want to chime in here to confirm that they are not interested in anything from the Nentir Vale and Points of Light. My guess is FR/Eberron/DS only until 5e is launched. Seeing as how FR will be supported from launch day of 5e, that's probably your best bet for future pitches.



The reply I quoted above does suggest that setting-neutral material will also be welcome.
Kinda a bumber about the lack of new Abyssal Plague stuff, maybe the novels didn't sell so well.


They don't have enough monster variety (not even some of the varieties mentioned in the darn book) to make them a truely unique campaign threat beyond "yeah its this mob but plagued!"  
Ok from my pitches, & rejections.

1) Make sure you are very clear about what you mean. Brevity is good but, clarity is better, the responses to my pitches suggest I often stumbled with conveying things due to keeping it brief.

2) If you pitch Dragonlance make sure it is clear when it is set and it is best to take into account the current events in DL.

3) I was told " We already have as much runepriest material as we need for the foreseeable future."

4) Avoid pitches that suggest the PCs have a particular role in the world, especially if it's something like Cormeryan noble.

5) From twitter it was observed by Greg Bisland that they have enough adventures to see them through into 2013. I take this to mean getting an adventure pitch accepted is going to be very hard so focus on side treks and other Dungeon content.
Ok from my pitches, & rejections.

1) Make sure you are very clear about what you mean. Brevity is good but, clarity is better, the responses to my pitches suggest I often stumbled with conveying things due to keeping it brief.

2) If you pitch Dragonlance make sure it is clear when it is set and it is best to take into account the current events in DL.

3) I was told " We already have as much runepriest material as we need for the foreseeable future."

4) Avoid pitches that suggest the PCs have a particular role in the world, especially if it's something like Cormeryan noble.

5) From twitter it was observed by Greg Bisland that they have enough adventures to see them through into 2013. I take this to mean getting an adventure pitch accepted is going to be very hard so focus on side treks and other Dungeon content.



Points 2-4 added to the main list. Do you have a link to the tweet for point 5?

No arcane archers in 4e. I've tried pitching this is every way possible, and Chris finally told me it isn't going to happen, period. Not as a class, not as a theme, not through a series of feats, nothin'. He doesn't feel people are interested in arcane archers at all, and that Seeker already fills the niche.
No arcane archers in 4e. I've tried pitching this is every way possible, and Chris finally told me it isn't going to happen, period. Not as a class, not as a theme, not through a series of feats, nothin'. He doesn't feel people are interested in arcane archers at all, and that Seeker already fills the niche.

Well, he's at least partly right - if the Seeker class is what Wotc thinks arcane archers ought to look like, people aren't interested.

"The world does not work the way you have been taught it does. We are not real as such; we exist within The Story. Unfortunately for you, you have inherited a condition from your mother known as Primary Protagonist Syndrome, which means The Story is interested in you. It will find you, and if you are not ready for the narrative strands it will throw at you..." - from Footloose
I happen to like the Seeker, thank you very much, even if I'm not sure how the Spiritbond's accuracy boost affects its comparison to the higher [W] ratings of the Bloodbond.

Main post updated through 1/16/2012, mid-afternoon.
Today's (1/17/2012) Rule of Three gives a pretty thorough list of what they aren't looking for:



  • Articles that take a class or race and turn them into something that they are not; for example, don't pitch "I want to design a wizard build that is a striker" or "I want to design a halfling subrace that is geared toward being a fighter." That kind of material is really better suited to the books, and requires a lot of expertise and development time to pull off well.

  • Redesigning something that exists as something else; we're not interested in seeing an "arcane archer" class when we have the seeker, even though there's a power source difference. Something smaller that does something similar—to continue the above example, new material for the bard that focus on songbows—would be better.

  • No articles that reimagine something we've already done in previous editions as their primary goal.

  • Highly scripted adventures are likely to be rejected. If your adventure pitch reads more like a short story, reconsider. The players need to be able to have an impact on the adventure.

  • Articles that require a lot of campaign context to pull off; it's OK to pull ideas from your own campaign, but be aware that articles of that nature sometimes would not work without the context of your own campaign. If it relies on a lot of other elements of your campaign, it probably won't work as an article.

  • Specific beats general; don't pitch an article on "The Astral Sea" but focus on one aspect of the Astral Sea, for example.

  • High-impact story elements; if dropping it into the world has a huge impact, it's harder to use and makes more work for the DM.

  • General advice articles.

  • Unearthed Arcana articles that further complicate or lengthen encounters.

  • Right now we're full up on Bazaar of the Bizarre, Tavern Profiles, and Bestiary articles. Also, don't pitch articles for the "Eye on..." Columns. Those are columns tied to specific authors.


John du Bois Living Forgotten Realms Writing Director, Netheril story area Follow me on The Twitter: @JohnduBois Follow my presence on The Intertubes: johncdubois.wordpress.com
Yep; just saw it. Adding to main post.
Some comments from my own submissions (some duplicated elsewhere, including in that Rule-of-Three article):
-Articles dealing with one particular area of a campaign setting are better than articles that are literally all over the map.
-Thumbs down on articles that are too "niche" (in particular in reference to an article on Small-size barbarians)
-Thumbs down on articles that basically turn one class into another.
-Thumbs down on articles that try to fill a perceived mechanical void without story development or flavor attached.
-They're full up on Tavern Profiles and Bestiaries.
-Strong hints that articles containing system-agnostic content may be viewed with a more positive eye (which was confusing to me in early December, but makes a lot more sense now). 
John du Bois Living Forgotten Realms Writing Director, Netheril story area Follow me on The Twitter: @JohnduBois Follow my presence on The Intertubes: johncdubois.wordpress.com
I still haven't heard back on my Dragon article submissions (I did get the confirmation after I sent 'em in), but for my Dungeon submissions, beyond what has already been said:

1.  They're not interested in full articles on a new artifact.  They prefer to integrate these into adventures.
2.  They don't want detailed encounter settings/set pieces unless they already have a map to use.


From twitter it was observed by Greg Bisland that they have enough adventures to see them through into 2013. I take this to mean getting an adventure pitch accepted is going to be very hard so focus on side treks and other Dungeon content.



Wow, this is kinda depressing. Adventure design is one area I know I'm good at and it really sucks to think I won't even get looked at until 2013. At least they're being honest about it, although I'd like to see this in an official statement from Chris Perkins or Greg Bilsland.

In fact, I'd like to see an official list of what is being taken off the table so we don't waste our time. For example, it's clear that they don't want Runepriest support. It would be nice for them to let us know that up front. Maybe they could sticky a forum post where the list things they *don't* want. I know that I've already started writing proposals for the next submission window and I don't want to put work into anything that won't even be considered.
That's kind of my purpose in maintaining this thread. Hope it's helping.
The sad thing is, that it really is looking like the open submission periods are more or less a publicity stunt.  I can't actually see a single are of centent they actually ARE interested in...

No 'Eye on...'
No Bazaar of the Bizarre.
No complicated UA
No Bestiaries
No Tavern profiles
No articles changing roles for current classes
No new classes
No Runepriest support
No niche stuff (including, for instance, Hunter builds)
No flavourless crunch, BUT, setting-independent stuff preferable.  So, no flavourless crunch, but keep the flavour as generic as possible.
No more PoLand/Nerath stuff, but no 'Eye on' stuff either.
Full up on adventures until 2013
No item sets
No Warlock pacts
No Faustian bargains in general
No Abyssal Plague

I haven't seen them say a single thing they actually DO want yet.  Other, apparently, than to waste a whole bunch of peoples' valuable time both writing and rejecting submissions.  Reading between the lines, you might just get away with Seeker support, and with new seasons for the Sentinel - but noth of those will have been proposed to death already.  And themes.

Harrying your Prey, the Easy Way: A Hunter's Handbook - the first of what will hopefully be many CharOp efforts on my part. The Blinker - teleport everywhere. An Eladrin Knight/Eldritch Knight. CB != rules source.
The sad thing is, that it really is looking like the open submission periods are more or less a publicity stunt.  I can't actually see a single are of centent they actually ARE interested in...

No 'Eye on...'
No Bazaar of the Bizarre.
No complicated UA
No Bestiaries
No Tavern profiles
No articles changing roles for current classes
No new classes
No Runepriest support
No niche stuff (including, for instance, Hunter builds)
No flavourless crunch, BUT, setting-independent stuff preferable.  So, no flavourless crunch, but keep the flavour as generic as possible.
No more PoLand/Nerath stuff, but no 'Eye on' stuff either.
Full up on adventures until 2013
No item sets
No Warlock pacts
No Faustian bargains in general
No Abyssal Plague

I haven't seen them say a single thing they actually DO want yet.  Other, apparently, than to waste a whole bunch of peoples' valuable time both writing and rejecting submissions.  Reading between the lines, you might just get away with Seeker support, and with new seasons for the Sentinel - but noth of those will have been proposed to death already.  And themes.



I'm not going to go into details, but I submitted around 25 pitches during the open submission window. Of those 25, 3 were green-lighted for first draft, and another couple went through a pitch revision or two before being ultimately rejected. From that experience, I can tell you that a number of the things on that list (tavern profiles, bestiaries, adventures) are ideas that they were very interested in, and they got enough good ideas that they don't have the space for more. I wouldn't call it a publicity stunt at all - I'd call it a wildly successful effort to attract outside perspectives on content that filled many of their needs entirely.
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Good to know.
Harrying your Prey, the Easy Way: A Hunter's Handbook - the first of what will hopefully be many CharOp efforts on my part. The Blinker - teleport everywhere. An Eladrin Knight/Eldritch Knight. CB != rules source.
So with today being the first non-Foolish day in the submission window, the following information relevant to this thread shows up:
www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/d...
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for those still subscribed to this thread that didn't see it on Thursday/Friday, the writer's guidelines got a bit of an overhaul. A summary of relevant changes that caught my eye:



  • Suggested word count limit on article pitches is now 150, instead of 250. Similarly, word count limit on adventure pitches is now 300 instead of 500

  • Detailed feedback on each pitch is no longer promised. (Although a specific up/down response is still promised for each pitch)

  • Detailed updates to the sections about what they're NOT looking for, along with what they ARE looking for. Rather than copy/paste, I'll suggest reading these over carefully and leave it at that.