Gauntlets for states

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The following is a tier list based on forum consensus, and should probably be in your gauntlets in order to get ready for states.

Tier 1

RDW: Has been cleaning house on magic league.

U/B Control and U/W Control: Draw go, blade, and tapout variants. Look for Snapcaster Mage, Geist of St. Traft, Invisible Stalker, and the best walkers to keep these two archetypes alive.

Bant Pod: This is the go to Pod list, if only for the "stability" of its mana base in the face of losing fetchlands+Cobras. Randomly mising games against opposing pod players with Stonehorn Dignitary+Venser is also sweet.

Esper Control (Aka: Solar Flare): An old archetype revived by the power of Liliana of the Veil, Forbidden Alchemy, and Unburial Rites. Looks to survive the early game then crush you with a fattie. Sometimes that fattie comes back...


Tier 1.5

Tempered Steel: While it loses Ornithopter and Steel Overseer, it's still one of the fastest decks around. Cards like Ancient Grudge will be giving you problems though

Puresteel Paladin: The printing of Mentor of the Meek means that they now effectively have 8 Puresteel-esque effects in their deck. Capable of very fast swords out of nowhere. Watch for Invisible Stalkers and Geist of St. Trafts.

BUG Pod/RUG Pod: The loss of the Fetchlands, Preordain, and Lotus Cobra severely hinders the consistency of these decks. Still decks to be aware of. Losing Obstinate Baloth also hurts.


Tier 2

MBC: ~sigh~. It has all the tools necessary to be a decent deck, the problem is that it has almost no actual game against a resolved planeswalker and all your sweet dudes (Obliterator and Bloodgift Demon) die to Dismember.

Dungrove.dec: Don't let the haters hate, Dungrove Elder is actually a deceptively powerful cards. It has powerful threats all along the curve (Mayor/Skinshifter into Dungrove into Thrun/Garruk into Garruk) and alot of your dudes are capable of wielding swords like a boss. I think the proper Dungrove deck is U/G for counterspells and Snapcaster mage.

Turn 4 Titan: The obligatory "Ramp to huge dudes" R/G deck. We actually have a decent land for Primeval Titan to fetch in Kessig Wolf Run and Inferno Titan is always a massive threat.
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RDW, Tempered Steel, UW Puresteel.

UW, UBW, UB, birthing Pod.
Indigo summed it up pretty well, barring RUG Beats. Bramblecrush and chandra aren't going to be flying under the radar very long.

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Everything Indigo said, plus Big Red. It beats or matches all of those decks consistently in testing.

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I get the feeling that besides Tempered Steel and Birthing Pod lists, the format isn't going to be as predictable as we expect it to be.  Calling it now.
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I get the feeling that besides Tempered Steel and Birthing Pod lists, the format isn't going to be as predictable as we expect it to be.  Calling it now.



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White Weenies, BUG pod, Bant pod, Tempered Steel, RDW, and maybe a Blue-artifact control
Razorgore, what do you envision for RUG beats?
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So Turn 2 Geist of St Traft is the real deal.
Swinging for 12 on turn three with Mirran Crusader is also stupidly good.

I might just be playing Angelic Destiny at states...
I forgot to mention this at first, but I think it's very relevant: Strongly consider running 4 Ancient Grudge in the SB of every deck you can.

On a quasi-related note, I like Buried Ruin in B-Pod decks, and Steel is actually dead (like I said before). 

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I forgot to mention this at first, but I think it's very relevant: Strongly consider running 4 Ancient Grudge in the SB of every deck you can.

On a quasi-related note, I like Buried Ruin in B-Pod decks, and Steel is actually dead (like I said before). 


i wish didn't have to agree with grudge... but after thinking about it for a moment, i think i agree.  maybe not a full set, but at least 3 seems important.

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I should note that Flores' gauntlet technique is good. In an open metagame, you don't test everything.

You pick the one or two most representative decks from Aggro and Control, plus any relevant combo. If you can beat the best of each arm, you can usually beat the rest.
Razorgore, what do you envision for RUG beats?



Chandra
Skinshifter
Bramblecrush
Beast Within
Snapcaster
Forbidden Alchemy
Volt Charge
Dismember
Inferno Titan
Rampant Growth

SB is pretty rough right now, with only ancient grudge and some naturalizes locked in for sure. Likely some slagstorms, as well as a couple garruks (not decided which version yet).

The fact that manlands don't exist anymore is making DoJ and other sweepers extremely powerful, in addition to the fact that none of the aggro decks are capable of a very fast clock.

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I forgot to mention this at first, but I think it's very relevant: Strongly consider running 4 Ancient Grudge in the SB of every deck you can.

On a quasi-related note, I like Buried Ruin in B-Pod decks, and Steel is actually dead (like I said before). 


i wish didn't have to agree with grudge... but after thinking about it for a moment, i think i agree.  maybe not a full set, but at least 3 seems important.



In aggressive decks, 2 Grudges and some number of Manic Vandals might be better.
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Everybody knows that having your awesome creatures killed before they can do anything is frustrating, but the Red mage in me doesn't seem to understand why it's so bad when his creatures spontaneously combust into Flame Javelins and make his opponent discard something at the same time.
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can't discount CA and instant speed

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can't discount CA and instant speed


This. Though I would MD a Manic Vandal in every Pod deck with Red.

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can't discount CA and instant speed


This. Though I would MD a Manic Vandal in every Pod deck with Red.



Possibly an Oxidda Scrapmelter + Sylvok Replica instead of Vandal, IMO.
can't discount CA and instant speed


This. Though I would MD a Manic Vandal in every Pod deck with Red.



Possibly an Oxidda Scrapmelter + Sylvok Replica instead of Vandal, IMO.


I have this thing about hitting it a turn earlier.

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A) Vandal is a 2-for-1 as well (you get a 2/2 body and destroy something).

B) I didn't say you wouldn't want any grudges, just that when you're playing aggro in the matchup you probably want Vandals (against steel, pretty much ever deck would rather have Grudge, but against, say, Pod or Tezz [people will try it even if it ends up being bad] Vandal might be better).

C) Card advantage isn't everything. If I'm playing an aggro deck and I ever have to spend a turn where I grudge and don't have enough mana for anything else, that will be the worst turn of the entire game 99% of the time. Why? I did nothing but answer. This is the absolute worst, most horrible thing an aggro deck can spend a turn doing. It is such a huge tempo swing for the control deck (control in the matchup, whether it was not designed to be a control deck per se) that it can often times win the game off of that swing. Vandal is so much better because it answers while advancing your board position.
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Everybody knows that having your awesome creatures killed before they can do anything is frustrating, but the Red mage in me doesn't seem to understand why it's so bad when his creatures spontaneously combust into Flame Javelins and make his opponent discard something at the same time.
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hey, we should have the OP keep a running list of what seem like the best decks to be prepared for or at least have on your radar for states.  i'd like to see it incorporate some of these good deck ideas that have been thrown out there in order to know what ideas are hot currently.  ya know, just have it set up for people to click on this thread and open to that first post and see a nice comprehensive list, maybe split into the pseudo-future tier 1 lists and maybe the future tier 2 possible lists.  anyone else think this should become a thing?

calvin, you should get on this idea, brah!

that... and it gets the thread back on track.

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can't discount CA and instant speed


This. Though I would MD a Manic Vandal in every Pod deck with Red.



Possibly an Oxidda Scrapmelter + Sylvok Replica instead of Vandal, IMO.


I have this thing about hitting it a turn earlier.



In Pod, the time delay is minimal, and having a diversified set of numbers to find your artifact hate is an advantage.
hey, we should have the OP keep a running list of what seem like the best decks to be prepared for or at least have on your radar for states.  i'd like to see it incorporate some of these good deck ideas that have been thrown out there in order to know what ideas are hot currently.  ya know, just have it set up for people to click on this thread and open to that first post and see a nice comprehensive list, maybe split into the pseudo-future tier 1 lists and maybe the future tier 2 possible lists.  anyone else think this should become a thing?

calvin, you should get on this idea, brah!

that... and it gets the thread back on track.



I'm perfectly capable of doing this. I'd just like a solid starting point to go off of.

Tier 1:
RDW (this has been dominating some of the online trial sites)
Tempered Steel (afforded precedence based on track record in block)
Bant Pod (Is this the consensus best Pod variant?)
U/W control
U/B Control

seems fair?

Seems okay. Should make a distinction between UW Control and the gamut of Swords+Invisible Stalker decks, and you should probably add UWB "Solar Flare" Control, since it's one of the Top 3 played decks online.
Can someone post a RDW list? I just don't see why RDW is even being touted as a viable deck right now, but it's possible that everyone I'm playing against is just running crap lists.

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I don't see RDW right now, either. Especially with every Pod deck being capable of running Tree...

Also, I think I have the Tezz-Pod list worked out. You get to run Forgemaster combo in it basically for free; that seems good to me.

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Tezz infect is stronger, IMO. Better SB options like phy crusader and torpor orb, unless your forgemaster target doesn't include battlesphere.

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Can someone post a RDW list? I just don't see why RDW is even being touted as a viable deck right now, but it's possible that everyone I'm playing against is just running crap lists.



I'm like 14-1 with this:

// Lands
    14 [IN] Mountain (4)
    4 [M11] Rootbound Crag
    4 [SOM] Copperline Gorge

// Creatures
    4 [INN] Stromkirk Noble
    2 [M12] Grim Lavamancer
    4 [INN] Reckless Waif
    4 [M12] Stormblood Berserker
    1 [INN] Falkenrath Marauders
    3 [MBS] Hero of Oxid Ridge
    4 [INN] Ashmouth Hound

// Spells
    4 [SOM] Galvanic Blast
    4 [NPH] Shrine of Burning Rage
    4 [MPR] Incinerate
    4 [NPH] Volt Charge

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [SOM] Koth of the Hammer
SB: 3 [NPH] Vulshok Refugee
SB: 2 [5E] Manabarbs
SB: 4 [SOM] Arc Trail
SB: 4 [INN] Ancient Grudge 



Only major change I could see doing is -3 or 4 Ashmouth Hound, +3 or 4 Chandra's Phoenix. I also want to cut Manabarbs, because it only wins me games against Control/Pod when I'm already ahead. I just don't know what I want to drop it for. 

The reason this deck works is basically the one-drops. Stromkirk Noble and Reckless Waif punish Control decks really hard. Turn 1 Waif on the play often does 9 damage by Turn 4, and Turn 1 Stromkirk Noble unanswered is a huge beating much like it's ancestor was.

Other aggro decks at the moment tend to be either Human based, making Noble eat them alive, or Tempered Steel, which is favourable after board when Arc Trail and Ancient Grudge come in.

Worst matchup is probably Pod, and even then it depends on the starts you each get. 
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