09/08/2011 FtL: "What Is The Lab?"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.

oh my god, that laboratory maniac just made me smile for asec lol, thats too awesome

also goes insanely good with that mad-mirror phantasm blue Mythic that just got spoiled earlier today
oh my god, that laboratory assistant just made me smile for asec lol, thats too awesome

also goes insanely good with that mad-mirror phantasm blue Mythic that just got spoiled earlier today 

Laboratory Assistant joins Mindshrieker on the list of great cards to combo with Vengeful Pharaoh.

That Laboratory Maniac is going to be BFFs with that Mirror Spirit from yesterday. 
Millikin is back (sort of)! I like.
So that's why there are so many "mill yourself" cards in the set.  Seems fun, but I wish he were an enchantment or something else that's a bit harder to kill than a 2/2.

I can just see getting hit with Shock on your upkeep with no cards in library.
I laughed out loud. The flavor text makes this card highly reminiscent of an old The Far Side cartoon. I only wish I could find it online.

EDIT: I'm referring to Deranged Assistant. 
That was... wierd. I don't normally get to read things so... surreal. The intro so adeptly captures that 'out there' feel that I so crave. And I was lucky enough to be listening to bizzare ambient music at the same time, too. Lucky me!
yay I love bizarre win conditions! they keep the game from becoming dull
woah
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Does anyone else think that this should have been an enchantment?  I'm all for alternate win conditions, but when almost any kill spell turns your win condition into a lose condition instead, the cards seems needlessly unplayable.

Would it have been too good as an enchantment?  I don't know, but when pretty much every Standard and most Limited decks have a way to kill a 2/2, often at instant speed, I expect this fellow to lose far more games for his controller than he'll win.

Also, is this the first alt-win condition that has you lose instead if it's not pulled off?  I guess Barren Glory does pretty much the same thing, but it seems like quite the exception rather than the rule.
Wow, Blue is becoming my favourite color in this set.  And that's saying a lot. I've got the germ of a deck bubbling up in my brain that draws your entire deck and then drops a ton of Zombies into play with Rooftop Storm... then if they spoil my fun, I can drop the Labratory Maniac and draw one more card to win that way. And the Assistant might work too... if I can figure out a way to turn it into a suicidal machine gun that mills my whole deck into the graveyard (maybe even triggering some zombie related fun along the way) generating a bunch of mana (which will probbaly be used to keep the engine going, but maybe not, esp. if we can get into mana doubling shenanigans) and then pop the Maniac.

This set looks like a ton of fun so far.
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My only regret about this card is that it means that failure to draw, as a loss condition, isn't being replaced with decking any time soon. More's the pity. But forgetting that for a moment, it's a fantastic card, and I love it.

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Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.

@all that think that this card should be an enchantment instead of an 2/2:

Unless they have a spell that deals with our little friend that has splitseccond or more removal than we have draw spells and effects, we will win.

Really, being a creature doesn't matter the least: mill you to 0, play him - counter any counter that flys at him -, cast instant draw or use draw effects and do the same in reaction to any instant kill card or counter -> your draw resolves first -> you win.
I really, legitimately enjoyed reading that.
Maniac seems funny with Oath of Druids.
Does anyone else think that this should have been an enchantment?  I'm all for alternate win conditions, but when almost any kill spell turns your win condition into a lose condition instead, the cards seems needlessly unplayable.

Would it have been too good as an enchantment?  I don't know, but when pretty much every Standard and most Limited decks have a way to kill a 2/2, often at instant speed, I expect this fellow to lose far more games for his controller than he'll win.



The problem is that those enchantments trigger on your upkeep, giving your opponent a turn to respond under normal circumstances. With any draw effect, this card can win on the spot, meaning those instant speed answers to it are a necessary safety valve.
Oh, look! Another Win Condition for my Jave Archive/Erasure deck. Awesome!
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I so want to flash this guy out with Teferi/Leyline of Anticipation against a Hedron Crab/Ally Mill/etc deck.

"gg"
*play Maniac*
"why yes, you're right. A VERY good game!"
Story: Pleasing. At first I thought "Why is Noel doing the fiction thing?", but the payoff was worth it. Nice.

Assistant: The flavour text is very Carnival of Souls, isn't it? But the mechanic - wow. I didn't think Millikin would be returning. It lends itself to quite a number of very fiddly rules situations involving illegal actions. ("I start to cast Tombstalker with Delve 5, Millikin, two swamps on the table and four cards in graveyard. I'll mill a fifth card so that'll all work out fine. Except oops - I milled a Darksteel Colossus instead!") The rules handle it, but they're very confusing and quite subtle. I would have thought R&D would want to steer clear of that.

Maniac: Bwahahaha! Fantastic!
I didn't think Millikin would be returning.



That came out when I was taking a break from the game, I had no idea that card exisited. =)

Creatively written article (no surprise there, if you read this column reguarly that's not a surprise), and I really liked the preview cards.

As for protecting our win condition, you could give it shroud or hexproof, right? Not going to protect it from untargeted effects even then, but we can't have everything.

I've been playing (with some gaps) since the late 90's. Land Destruction can be fun! I really don't get the Command Tower backlash.
Shouldn't be Blue... Way too cheap. Make it Red RRR because it's "maniac". This is gonna be huge in Legacy/Vintage.

Making it a creature means it's a big fat target... Blue has plenty of ways to get the guy where you need him. Blue also makes it too easy to trigger his win condition.
Fail because the insane maniacal scientist who fails to consider the outcome of his actions is a blue card when clearly red in character.
Laboratory Maniac is hilarious and awesome.  I may never build a deck around him - I'm kind of Spike-y a lot of the time - but just the fact that a card this wacky exists tickles me.
Deranged Assistant to put the Maniac in the yard. Conjurer's bauble the Manianc and then Tunnel Vision Yourself?

Draw for next turn, cast Maniac and Ponder to win? hahaha


The guy just seems fun for the kitchen table. I think he'll go into my EDH deck to protect against Milling. For the 1 in 10000 chance He'll be on the board when I get milled out he would be a fun include.
According to everyone on these forums. You should only play the best decks in whatever format you want. You are a bad player and should just quit if you intend on using anything else.
Everything Make Sense Now :D!!
Personally, I think the assistant is far, far cooler than the maniac, even if he is an almost strictly worse version of Millikin.
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At first I thought the decklist had the wrong name in it, but didn't see why it wanted to mill itself. Everything became clear by the end of the article.

Awesome card. Should have already been done a while ago, but it's got the perfect flavor.
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57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
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I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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OH MY GOD
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
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But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
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Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
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[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
Laboratory Maniac is the coolest card in the set. Period.

I want to combine it with Oath of Druids somehow. It'd have to be the only creature in your deck, and you'd have to guarantee it's on the bottom...
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This card will be super sweet for edh purposes
God I can't wait until Innistrad is over lol.

The more articles I read and more cards I see the more I hate it. The concept of the human/werewolves is cool, but the way it's done is just stupid. Also, I think that it's going to be dumb to mix with other sets, it doesn't seem like it should be in any rotation but just played with the Innistrad block and that's it. It doesn't fit.

As for the cards I'm seeing, it's either I see nothing special, or things that are pretty damn cheap. I honestly hate the way how magic has changed. It's like the more and more they make cards, the cheaper the cards get. I've only seen about 3 cards I really care for in Innistrad to add to decks, and the idea of blue/black zombies, but some of the cards are ridiculously low costing for what they do.

I miss when we had to actually use strats and thoughts with the cards to win instead of just throwing cards together and letting the card do all the work. a.k.a. cards that are costing 5, are 5/5's and even have crazy good effects. The demon that costs 6, is a 6/6 with an awesome effect. I hate how 'good' they make cards nowadays.
Seems to me that he has found His Deck.

I don't know if many people realize it (R&D certainly do to an extent), but everyone potentially has their decks, decks that represent you so well, both mechanically and flavor-wise, that you actually genuinely feel connected to the deck, to the point where they can actually stand as a representation of yourself, of who you were and what you did.

I truly think everyone has their decks waiting for them, waiting to be created and in return ready to represent you and stand for you if given the occasion. I had a Brine Elemental/Urzatron and a Lorwyn Elemental decks, and although I felt close to both, they were only showing parts of what I was or will be, therefore I consider that I'm still searching for mine.

Anyway, glad the author actually found a card to which he felt close enough to make such an article, that was very close to a masterpiece!
Shouldn't be Blue... Way too cheap. Make it Red RRR because it's "maniac". This is gonna be huge in Legacy/Vintage. Making it a creature means it's a big fat target... Blue has plenty of ways to get the guy where you need him. Blue also makes it too easy to trigger his win condition.



Fail because the insane maniacal scientist who fails to consider the outcome of his actions is a blue card when clearly red in character.



Incorrect. While insane people are indeed red, mono red insane people are incapable of processing so much knowledge that they kill themselves in the process. Flavor-wise, this is very strong blue-red; blue for all the planning and knowledge gathering, and red for being insane enough to have gone through your entire library without thinking about the long-term implications of that. While playing, I have a strong blue-red mentality (draw lots, do lots of stuff because it's awesome, yet achieve nothing), and I sometimes do in fact deck myself by accident (generally when my entire field is one huge combo and when mass destruction hits I realize I just drew almost my entire library).

I guess what made Wizards make this card mono blue rather than blue-red is because otherwise it would be hard to fit in with Innistrad's flavor (the mad scientists are mono blue here).

By the way, I LOVE the card. Best card in all of Innistrad so far for me. I have multiple decks that are capable of milling itself, if only through infinite card draw.

the effect is very blue, the fact he is a scientist is blue... if anything the mad part would only make him black.

and he wouldn't be as easy to kill as people think since he's blue and you would easily be able to use counter spells with him.


the effect is very blue, the fact he is a scientist is blue... if anything the mad part would only make him black.

and he wouldn't be as easy to kill as people think since he's blue and you would easily be able to use counter spells with him.



Not to mention instant speed card draw galore. Or just give him Hexproof.
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