Hengeyokai slated for debut!

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Rule of Three states that Hengeyokai will be making a formal appearance as a new player race come October.

Prior to a little research, I had absolutely no idea what a Hengeyokai is or was, so I've taken the initiative to initiate the uninitiated as I school myself.

In AD&D2E, Hengeyokai were a race of shapeshifters who could take the form of an animal, a bipedal-humanoid-animal, and a human. There were twelve sub-races (Carp, Cat, Crab, Crane, Dog, Drake, Fox, Hare, Monkey, Raccoon Dog, Rat & Sparrow), all of which had associated attributes and clues to the animal form in the human's appearance (distinguishable features, hair color, etc). There were also alignment restrictions associated with the animal forms, ability score adjustments and other such AD&D traits that supported the fluff and crunch effect of the various forms. They are based on a group of mythological Japanese creatures that include a handful of anthropomorphic spirits.

I'm interested to see how they implement all of this, 4E style! 

Danny

..... kitsune......
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As am I. I do hope there is some variation in the race, similar to the genasi manifestations.
I was hoping for Vanara, but the Hengeyokai is good enough me.  Looking forward to this month, too bad it is so far away.  More themes!
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glad there's a new race, very curious about it. also a lil disapointed not to see vanara, nezumi and a full write up for kenku... the wait continues. i guess i'm still glad that we get anything at all this exciting.
I used to play one in a Kindred of the East game long ago.
glad there's a new race, very curious about it. also a lil disapointed not to see vanara, nezumi and a full write up for kenku... the wait continues. i guess i'm still glad that we get anything at all this exciting.

I, too, would have preferred a full write-up for kenku; if only for the fact that it is entirely different from all of the currently available races.

Hengeyokai, depending upon the way it's implemented, has the possibility of being another half-supported Shifter re-hash. -- Got my fingers crossed!

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Rule of Three states that Hengeyokai will be making a formal appearance as a new player race come October.

Prior to a little research, I had absolutely no idea what a Hengeyokai is or was, so I've taken the initiative to initiate the uninitiated as I school myself.

In AD&D2E, Hengeyokai were a race of shapeshifters who could take the form of an animal, a bipedal-humanoid-animal, and a human. There were twelve sub-races (Carp, Cat, Crab, Crane, Dog, Drake, Fox, Hare, Monkey, Raccoon Dog, Rat & Sparrow), all of which had associated attributes and clues to the animal form in the human's appearance (distinguishable features, hair color, etc). There were also alignment restrictions associated with the animal forms, ability score adjustments and other such AD&D traits that supported the fluff and crunch effect of the various forms. They are based on a group of mythological Japanese creatures that include a handful of anthropomorphic spirits.

I'm interested to see how they implement all of this, 4E style! 




That was the list in 1e and 2e (the 1e Kara-Tur boxset also referenced tiger hengeyokai).  An article in Dragon 266 introduced additional varieties, such as the badger, weasel, frog, lynx, owl, hawk, panda, and octopus.  In 3e, the list changed as the drake was dropped and replaced by the badger and weasel.
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I was hoping for Vanara, but the Hengeyokai is good enough me.  Looking forward to this month, too bad it is so far away.  More themes!



Feywild.  You know what a hamadryad is, don't ya? Wink
Redundant race. We already have the Changeling, which really needs support. This could have been a good way to do it.

They could have given it the Dark Sun treatment, and changed it to fit the particular setting. Another missed opportunity to support something that is undersupported. 
Redundant race. We already have the Changeling, which really needs support. This could have been a good way to do it.

They could have given it the Dark Sun treatment, and changed it to fit the particular setting. Another missed opportunity to support something that is undersupported. 



Hengeyokai aren't much like Changelings.  Changelings can change into any humanoid; Hengeyokai have precisely three forms.  So, while your Changeling can be Dave, or Bob, or Mary, or Krusk, or Leglolas, the Hengeyokai can only be Dave The Human, Dave The Foxguy, or Dave The Fox.
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Redundant race. We already have the Changeling, which really needs support. This could have been a good way to do it.

They could have given it the Dark Sun treatment, and changed it to fit the particular setting. Another missed opportunity to support something that is undersupported. 



Hengeyokai aren't much like Changelings.  Changelings can change into any humanoid; Hengeyokai have precisely three forms.  So, while your Changeling can be Dave, or Bob, or Mary, or Krusk, or Leglolas, the Hengeyokai can only be Dave The Human, Dave The Foxguy, or Dave The Fox.



I don't know much about them. I just saw shapechanging race. It still could have been an interesting way to give them the Dark Sun treatment, imo. You know, sort of like the Becomer article, only good. :P 


I don't know much about them. I just saw shapechanging race. It still could have been an interesting way to give them the Dark Sun treatment, imo. You know, sort of like the Becomer article, only good. :P 



And now you know.  And knowing is half the battle!

As far as 'the Dark Sun treatment' goes ... well, for me, that universally means 'make it suck', so I think not doing so is a good thing.
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I was hoping for Vanara, but the Hengeyokai is good enough me.  Looking forward to this month, too bad it is so far away.  More themes!



Feywild.  You know what a hamadryad is, don't ya?



Ummm... a hamadryad is pretty much described as a regular dryad.  A hamadryas baboon is a baboon.  I want my monkey folk!
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I was hoping for Vanara, but the Hengeyokai is good enough me.  Looking forward to this month, too bad it is so far away.  More themes!



Feywild.  You know what a hamadryad is, don't ya?


are hamadryads monkeys? i have to admit i dont know the significance of the (hama) part but im pretty sure a dryad is nothing like a vanara except maybe that they live in the forest.
as for adapting changelings to be hengeyokai? thats just silly. giving them a "darksun treatment" how do you picture that since the only change to any race in DS was either their name or culture and not actual rules... so a changeling (hengeyokai) is like, "oh ya i can change into anything but i was told to stick to these three forms"
Yeah, hamadryads are not particularly like Vanara.  Vanara aren't tied to one tree, and don't die if that tree dies.
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hamadryas is a baboon! i'll assume that is a coincidence but if it turns out to be some kind of play on words and hamadryads turn out to be monkey/tree-folk i could deal with that.
hamadryas is a baboon! i'll assume that is a coincidence but if it turns out to be some kind of play on words and hamadryads turn out to be monkey/tree-folk i could deal with that.


Hamadryads aren't monkey/tree people. They are dryads that have the ability to leave the proximity of their tree, at least that's what they have been in older editions.
i just googled it and apparently the mother of the 8 predominant hamadryads was named Hamadryas. it then goes on to say that that also was the most common kind of primate in the region but they werent perticularly aroborial.
hamadryas is a baboon! i'll assume that is a coincidence but if it turns out to be some kind of play on words and hamadryads turn out to be monkey/tree-folk i could deal with that.



It is a type of baboon.  It is also a genus of butterfly.  It is a coincidence.  And I still want my monkey folk!
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you're right nothing i've read so far leads me to believe that hamadryad = monkey+treefollk. it is indeed a coincidence. Depending on how its done, if there is a monkey hengeyokai i could be willing to live with that instead of a vanara for the time being.

As I said long ago I think Badger hengeyokai would be a perfect CON + INT race.
I would like to see a "Clever trickster" race power that lets you use INT in place of CHA for Bluff and instead of DEX for Theivery.

The Oriental Adventures/L5R  spirit realms book has other D&D game mechanics for the traditional shapeshifters of Japan. ( Not that I expect modern WOTC to use stuff AEG wrote but it could be good for a homebrew)

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Feywild.  You know what a hamadryad is, don't ya?


A dryad made by Bucky O'Hare creator and G.I. Joe scribe Larry Hama?

I didn't know he created Bucky O'Hare.
Now I know... 
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a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
It would not shock me if the Hengeyokai end up being a reboot of the shifters from the ground up, and leaving the old Longtooth and Razorclaws to rot.  At the same time, I more honestly expect the Henge will be reduced to one, perhaps 2 subtypes. Fox and Monkey make the most sense themeatically I suppose. I also imagine the pure human form will be off the table to help streamline them from a design perspective.

 I look forward to seeing what we get either way. New races are always welcome in my book. As long as they stand well on their own, I can work around not having racial feats. 
Rule of Three states that Hengeyokai will be making a formal appearance as a new player race come October.

Prior to a little research, I had absolutely no idea what a Hengeyokai is or was, so I've taken the initiative to initiate the uninitiated as I school myself.

In AD&D2E, Hengeyokai were a race of shapeshifters who could take the form of an animal, a bipedal-humanoid-animal, and a human. There were twelve sub-races (Carp, Cat, Crab, Crane, Dog, Drake, Fox, Hare, Monkey, Raccoon Dog, Rat & Sparrow), all of which had associated attributes and clues to the animal form in the human's appearance (distinguishable features, hair color, etc). There were also alignment restrictions associated with the animal forms, ability score adjustments and other such AD&D traits that supported the fluff and crunch effect of the various forms. They are based on a group of mythological Japanese creatures that include a handful of anthropomorphic spirits.

I'm interested to see how they implement all of this, 4E style! 


Thank you for this.  I too feel a bit more enlightened!  Thanks to everyone else for adding to the info as well.
Idle speculation, because I can.

3e Hengeyokai had a Wisdom penalty; in 4e, they will have a Charisma bonus, as a few redone races have had their penalty scores 'converted' into a bonus to the other stat in the defense pairing.  Their flex stat will be two of the physical ones (probably DEX and CON, as most Hengeyokai animals are small and thus STR seems unlikely).

Their ability scores will not change between forms, because having to recalculate big chunks of your character sheet in mid-combat sucks.
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Idle speculation, because I can.

3e Hengeyokai had a Wisdom penalty; in 4e, they will have a Charisma bonus, as a few redone races have had their penalty scores 'converted' into a bonus to the other stat in the defense pairing.  Their flex stat will be two of the physical ones (probably DEX and CON, as most Hengeyokai animals are small and thus STR seems unlikely).

Their ability scores will not change between forms, because having to recalculate big chunks of your character sheet in mid-combat sucks.

Seems like we already have one with the dead rat deserter theme.

It's got rat form, human form, and hybrid form.

Or mabey we can be carp/rat... 

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It would not shock me if the Hengeyokai end up being a reboot of the shifters from the ground up, and leaving the old Longtooth and Razorclaws to rot.  At the same time, I more honestly expect the Henge will be reduced to one, perhaps 2 subtypes. Fox and Monkey make the most sense themeatically I suppose. I also imagine the pure human form will be off the table to help streamline them from a design perspective.

I'm hoping they won't include ALL of the subtypes, but more than two (4-5 sounds about right). I agree it needs to be a lot better implementation than the shifter, and using the genasi manifestation concept as a base can work.

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About the old Racoon-Dog from old OA-
I have seen an cartoon where a raccon spirit is called "dog spirit" by a human.
It seems Fox spirits grow extra tails and racoon spirits have heads shaped like dog heads.

Salla the CHA stat sounds good.  They ARE trickster spirits after all.
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Kitsune- Fox
Tanuki- Badger
and
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The sea looks at the stabillity of the mountian and sighs. The mountian watches the freedom of the sea and cries.
About the old Racoon-Dog from old OA-
I have seen an cartoon where a raccon spirit is called "dog spirit" by a human.
It seems Fox spirits grow extra tails and racoon spirits have heads shaped like dog heads.

Salla the CHA stat sounds good.  They ARE trickster spirits after all.
I hpoe to see
Kitsune- Fox
Tanuki- Badger
and
Goku-Monkey
     


Tanuki is actually the raccoon dog, a canine native to most of Asia. In folklore they would often disguise themselves as monks or household objects such as a teapot. They were also described as having giant testes that they would drum on. Badgers are known as Mujina, though they were often used interchangeably depending on region. 
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Heck no he don't. Only thing honey badger care about is golden eagle. However, my inner hipster occasionally makes me an intolerable know-it-all.
I doubt they will assign names to them past 'Fox Hengeyokai', 'Raccoon Dog Hengeyokai' and so forth.  Logic indicates that anybody who cares about that will raid the Internet to name them, and that the rest of us would just be annoyed by it.
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Yeah, they were never called kitsune or tanuki in the past, and mujina was actually a completely different monster (kinda, sorta based off some Japanese myths though it was no badger) in BECMI D&D and AD&D.

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Heck no he don't. Only thing honey badger care about is golden eagle. However, my inner hipster occasionally makes me an intolerable cracked.com reader.

Fixed.

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Heck no he don't. Only thing honey badger care about is golden eagle. However, my inner hipster occasionally makes me an intolerable cracked.com reader.

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3e Hengeyokai had a Wisdom penalty; in 4e, they will have a Charisma bonus, as a few redone races have had their penalty scores 'converted' into a bonus to the other stat in the defense pairing.  Their flex stat will be two of the physical ones (probably DEX and CON, as most Hengeyokai animals are small and thus STR seems unlikely).

The converted bonus thing never occurred to me... interesting.

Danny