08/24/2011 StF: "A Planeswalker's Guide to Innistrad: Introduction"

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hey Db wheres that magic concept art you promised for thi-

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holy...crap. 0.o 
Is it Sept. 30 yet? No? How 'bout now? Curse you linear progression of time, why can't you go faster?

Looks like we may have a seasonal mechanic, kind of like the good ol' Homarid Tide Counters. Cool.
The flavor...my god. Too bad they changed the style of the Magic novels. I don't give a flying fig about Jace and Chandra; Innistrad seems like a world I could get engrossed in and never want ot leave.
Huh.  No Summer in Innistrad eh?  But it definitely sounds like time change might play a mechanical role in the set.

I definitely loved the concept art for the Cathars, I really do hope we'll see a ton more like those two dudes.
Holy ****.

Holy ****.


This is incredible.
You'll forget you ever read this the minute you look away.
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So this one time, I wanted to play a game of Magic with my friend, but he was in another country and neither of us had Magic Online. I hitchhiked my way to the coast, barely fending off hungry wildlife when I couldn't get a ride, nearly dying of thirst crossing deserts, and posoning myself half to death foraging for food. At one point, I was taken hostage by a group of kidnappers, only managing to escape after a week of careful planning thanks to careful application of a rusty spoon. Once I reached the coast, I had no money to buy a ticket across the ocean, so I built a boat using my own two hands, and spent months sailing across the waves, nearly losing my deck as I swam to the shore of a desert island in a storm after being capsized by an enormous wave. Nearly delusional after so long with no human contact (the notches I cut in the single tree to tell time had long since felled the thing) I was eventually rescued by a passing ship, where I was taken aboard as a crew member. We sailed around the world, seeing many exotic places and having great adventures, before we finally arrived at my friend's country. Once more I stumbled across a desolate landscape, riding on train or car when I could, and going on foot when I could not. Eventually, weary to the bone, seven years after I started my journey, I arrived at my friend's house, clutching my well-worn and weathered deck to my chest. We shuffled up our decks, I won the roll. Gleefully, I laid down my cards. Black Lotus. My friend looked quizzically at me, wondering what I was about to do. After so long, he no longer knew what deck I had brought with me to this game. Flash. A knowing smile appears on my friend's face as the knowledge slowly returns to him. Protean Hulk. My friend extends his hand, knowing the game is over before it even started. And finally, after so many trials, the sweet taste of victory is mine.
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So no one else is upset with the stunt Wizards just pulled to drive sales?
Drive sales of what? Non-Jace, non-Mystic cards? I'm pretty sure people already own more than eight Magic cards. If you don't, I feel for you. Maybe you can trade those Stoneforge Mystics, which are still quite valuable, for some.
So, Gavony is mono-white,  Kessig is black/green, Stensia is black/red and Nephalia is blue/black? And depending on the card, season and province, we can guess the according effects. Reminds me of Ravnica a lot. Ah. Good times.

Looking forward to that block! I hope we get some new planeswalkers so that mono-black midrange/control can become viable in Legacy again!
I wanna see holy zealots with these sailing ships with these HUGE bowls in the center of them chasing after the moon to catch the silver that drops down to be lost in the oceans. And Whales. LARGE Whales that eat up ships....

... I get Werewolves! *squee!*
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That was an amazing read. This set just radiates flavor and the world seems amazing. You really could write a bunch of novels about this world since it has some many horror tropes. 

Can the set come out now please? I can't wait. 
Sounds like they might have like manland demons? with "since they were beings created of pure mana." regardless, looks awesome an can't wait
I really liked this and Maro's article about giving Magic rich themes. I think Scars of Mirrodin had a great meta plot and this will probably be the same. The world looks great. Dark and just in time for Halloween.

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I really want a short story compilation for this much like there was for Shadowmoor...
That art is beautiful! And the names! And the seasons! And the religion! And the...

Sorry, got a little carried away. I'm back now.

Get on making this a D&D setting soon, please? And writing lots of novels, a whole extended universe of novels!

Thank you, Magic Creative Team! May you all spend an eternity in the ground!
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My only problem with this article is that some of this amazing concept will not be on any cards.
Holy POOOP this looks like a cool set. I'm a sucker for Knights/Paladins but the added factor that it looks like Kaalia of the Vast will be getting some new Angel and Demon friends to play with. I hope they give us a few Scaly friends to go with the rest. All the talk about Avacyn got me wondering if she is(was?) the only Angel on the plane... Maybe she went off some where to gather some winged friends? I can hope anyways. I like how its kinda setting up several plot points so far.

Church of Avacyn vs. Skirsdag
Hunt for Avacyn (I suppose this could be a part of the Avacyn/Skirsdag Conflict, Possibly the Skirsdag had something to do with her dissapearance?)
Fall of Humanity? 

All of it is just so good. Its sad that the next one of these articles wont be till Sept 28th I could make it all the way to release on nothing but these articles, no spoilers or anything.

Edit: Also I hope that some of the art in the Kessig portion is hinting at some truely AMAZING Basic Lands. Obvs Forest in those pictures but if we can get some of the other 4 like those I'll be set. Possible each basic will have one art for each season? Harvest, Hunters, and New? I can only hope. 
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Calling it right now, Griselbrand will return in Dark Ascension, and Avacyn will return in the third set.
so i'm guessing:

gavony = white
kessig = green
stensia = red
nephalia = blue

and black has a presence in every province?
 The only bit that's bugging me is that by definition demons are mindless tormentors, while devils are senient, deus-like beings, some of whom create or enslave demons to do their bidding. Perhaps it's just arguing semantics, but it looks like they flipped the terminology around.
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Calling it right now, Griselbrand will return in Dark Ascension, and Avacyn will return in the third set.

Most likely. They'll probably let us vote again, too, on whether the humans or whatever win in the end or not
Arbtrary factioning again?
I think these Planeswalker's Guides are much more interesting to read before the sets actually come out than afterwards.  It looks like Wizards is learning; they keep changing their approach with these.
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I hope they give us a few Scaly friends to go with the rest.



This doesn't seem like the sort of plane that would have dragons. The niche that dragons usually fill (large red creatures with flying) could just as easily be given to the most ancient of the vampires who rule the Stensian mountains.
Seeing how Mirrodin was conquered, I hope Innistrad's story has a happy ending for the good guys.
I think these Planeswalker's Guides are much more interesting to read before the sets actually come out than afterwards.  It looks like Wizards is learning; they keep changing their approach with these.

Of course it is.
"What could be" is always prone to optimism.  "What actually happened" usually isn't.

This article makes me seriously believe that they finally found a home for the Day/Night cycle from Kamigawa design and that's what Mechanic X is going to be.
Sounds like they might have like manland demons? with "since they were beings created of pure mana." regardless, looks awesome an can't wait

MtG's demons have almost always been beings of pure mana (I think the oni were just particularly malevolent kami, not manifestations of mana), just as angels are beings of pure mana.


 The only bit that's bugging me is that by definition demons are mindless tormentors, while devils are senient, deus-like beings, some of whom create or enslave demons to do their bidding. Perhaps it's just arguing semantics, but it looks like they flipped the terminology around.

That's D&D's definition of demons and devils.  MtG's demons were always the important ones, striking deals and slaughtering folk, while devils have only shown up recently, as red imps.

so, this is pretty much immaculate:



Also, it's interesting 'cause these kinds of zombies are super recent, like Romero recent, not actually gothic horror.

Also also, it would've been cool to see green-white Humans as monsters too.  Terrifyingly traditionalist villagers and clergy, like the kithkin in Shadowmoor or the superstitious populace in The Wicker Man or the witchhunters in Witchfinder General.  I guess I really liked that moment in Last Man on Earth when (spoilers for a film from 1964) the protagonist realizes he's the monster.  But I guess we need something to make it not an utter crapsack world.  Green-white being the survivors is reminescent of Shadowmoor's lone elves in a dark dark world though.
So, I'm predicting that the planeswalker with five abilities will be Garruk who arrives hunting Liliana and becomes a werewolf in Kessig. He'll have five different spells to cast but he'll only be able to use certain ones in each of the seasons that we'll apparently be marking now.
Maybe Planeswalkers have matured enough as a card type that we'll actually start seeing static and traditionally-activated abilities on them?
 The only bit that's bugging me is that by definition demons are mindless tormentors, while devils are senient, deus-like beings, some of whom create or enslave demons to do their bidding. Perhaps it's just arguing semantics, but it looks like they flipped the terminology around.


This is a Magic the Gathering Demon. This is a Magic the Gathering Devil.

Any questions?;)
Seeing how Mirrodin was conquered, I hope Innistrad's story has a happy ending for the good guys.



Given how dark this first set is and how the second set is (going by the name) also dark, I'm guessing the block will have a happy ending because otherwise it wouldn't have any sort of progression.
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Please tell me the image under "The Skirsdag" is the new art for the reprint of Dark Confidant.
Given how dark this first set is and how the second set is (going by the name) also dark, I'm guessing the block will have a happy ending because otherwise it wouldn't have any sort of progression.

Neither did Empire Strikes Back, but it's still the best of the six (or nine if anyone still remembers Holiday Special and those Ewok Adventure movies) Star Wars films.

I've played and enjoyed this game for many years but this is the first plane and storyline from Magic which I feel engrossed in.  It's truly a breath of fresh air from the sterile...soulless...and metallic world of Mirrodin, I for one say goodriddence.  Glad to see the soul of this game has returned to a world full of life.
I've played and enjoyed this game for many years but this is the first plane and storyline from Magic which I feel engrossed in.  It's truly a breath of fresh air from the sterile...soulless...and metallic world of Mirrodin, I for one say goodriddence.  Glad to see the soul of this game has returned to a world full of life.



Indeed. Played since Legends myself and I'm most excited about this block than any other I can remember. Great lore, theme, ART... let's hope there's some Legacy playables here since that's the only format that interests me... 

omg.... I wish innistrad was an mmo I would play it

Are we going straight from Hellraiser: the Magic Set to Dawn of the Dead: the Magic Set?
Needs more Bruce Campbell.
Seeing how Mirrodin was conquered, I hope Innistrad's story has a happy ending for the good guys.


The good guys ALWAYS get happy endings. I find it quite refreshing when evil wins, for once. Besides, who's to say that the humans of Innistrad are the good guys? You don't think a lion is evil for eating a gazelle; why should a werewolf be considered evil for eating a human? They're just following the natural order, the food chain. Same for vampires. Zombies and ghosts... not so easy to justify.

Besides, collaring demons, though demons are "pure evil", is pretty evil itself. That's slavery, and it's wrong.
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Seeing how Mirrodin was conquered, I hope Innistrad's story has a happy ending for the good guys.


The good guys ALWAYS get happy endings. I find it quite refreshing when evil wins, for once. Besides, who's to say that the humans of Innistrad are the good guys? You don't think a lion is evil for eating a gazelle; why should a werewolf be considered evil for eating a human? They're just following the natural order, the food chain. Same for vampires. Zombies and ghosts... not so easy to justify.

Besides, collaring demons, though demons are "pure evil", is pretty evil itself. That's slavery, and it's wrong.



This feels like one of those settings where there shouldn't be a winner or loser, things should just "exist".  As in, something should happen on innistrad and we leave without the plane itself being resolved.  I like the idea of an rpg type plane. 


That aside, I feel really excited about this block.  Like I think this is gonna be THE magic block, the new ravnica.  Richard garfield is even working on it so I have high expectations.
with this set clerics will rule i am so going to have the clerics i need to fininsh it off
Given how dark this first set is and how the second set is (going by the name) also dark, I'm guessing the block will have a happy ending because otherwise it wouldn't have any sort of progression.

Neither did Empire Strikes Back, but it's still the best of the six (or nine if anyone still remembers Holiday Special and those Ewok Adventure movies) Star Wars films.



I'm not arguing that progression is better. Just that it's something Wizards has done in all their most recent blocks, so it's something they're likely to do again in this block.

In fact, if you look at every block from Time Spiral until now, you'll notice that the last set of each has been the polar opposite of the first. (Assuming you count Lorwyn and Shadowmoor as one block. If you don't, the pattern doesn't hold up as well.)