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   4 [ZEN] Swamp (2)
    6 [ZEN] Forest (2)
    3 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
    4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    3 [RAV] Golgari Rot Farm
    4 [EVE] Twilight Mire

// Creatures
    3 [FUT] Tombstalker
    3 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    4 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder

// Spells
    2 [M10] Duress
    3 [LRW] Thoughtseize
    2 [ON] Smother
    4 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
    2 [RAV] Putrefy
    3 [M11] Garruk Wildspeaker
    4 [DS] Death Cloud
    2 [PLC] Damnation

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [PLC] Extirpate
SB: 4 [RAV] Shadow of Doubt
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 3 [SHM] Fulminator Mage
And it's said that youth's ,well only tragedy Is being unoriginal
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niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK! "ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day..." "MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Its my deck... with the wrong cards in the main again.

No STE, add Viridian Emissary.

I'm also tinkering with E-Witness over Damnation.

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I really like death cloud decks, however I don't have any goyfs and don't intend to buy any. How important are goyfs?
I think STE is better then Emissary Niche you lose a little power but gain consistency.


Goyfs is fairly important you can play the deck without him you would just need another low cost beater of your choice it won't be as good but it should suffice.
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niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK! "ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day..." "MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Goyf is Goyf of course.

You can experiment with Epochrasite. He makes a fine chump blocker... is fine if he gets path'd... and if he eats a chump should return the turn after you Death Cloud, presenting a fine clock in that situation.... also making Death Clouds for the max very profitable for you.

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Thoughts on Explore with Golgari rot farm? I'm having trouble evaluating the power level on that play.

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The synergy there seems minimal at best.
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The synergy there seems minimal at best.



I generally agree... but Explore is still an accelerant in the deck. Meh. I may tinker with it but there's probably a better way to abuse Explore in the format.

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How is a mono black version of this? I think it would be better if you have no Goyf and use Tombstalker as the finisher maybe use Phyrexian Obliterator.
My decks: Jund Rock
How is a mono black version of this? I think it would be better if you have no Goyf and use Tombstalker as the finisher maybe use Phyrexian Obliterator.



And you lose finks and Steve and Garruk otherwise the heart of the deck.
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niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK! "ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day..." "MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I was messing around with something like this:


// Lands
2 Mutavault
22 Swamp

// Creatures
4 Phyrexian Obliterator
4 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Tombstalker

// Spells
4 Death Cloud
2 Liliana Vess
4 Phyrexian Arena
2 Phyrexian Totem
2 Profane Command
4 Talisman of Indulgence
4 Thoughtseize
4 Wayfarer's Bauble

My decks: Jund Rock
The problem is you are almost never going to death cloud into an advantage by having Garruk FInks and Steve you have better Post Deathcloud play by having Garruk making tokens Finks coming back from a board wipe and Steve Accelerating you into lands so you can make a turn 4 Deathcloud for 5 with you being on the play which puts them to 1 land.
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niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK! "ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day..." "MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I think I am liking green even without Goyf. Maybe something like this:


// Lands
8 Forest
2 Golgari Rot Farm
4 Overgrown Tomb
6 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs

// Creatures
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Solemn Simulacrum
3 Tombstalker

// Spells
4 Death Cloud
3 Garruk Wildspeaker
4 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Phyrexian Totem
4 Putrefy
4 Thoughtseize

My decks: Jund Rock

I think I am liking green even without Goyf. Maybe something like this:


// Lands
8 Forest
2 Golgari Rot Farm
4 Overgrown Tomb
6 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs

// Creatures
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Solemn Simulacrum
3 Tombstalker

// Spells
4 Death Cloud
3 Garruk Wildspeaker
4 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Phyrexian Totem
4 Putrefy
4 Thoughtseize




You won't be able to support the life loss in here. Cut Thoughtseize back to 3... maybe 1 solemn... add 2 Duress.

Can also cut to 23 lands. I flood nonstop on 24.

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Bumping the thread.

Considering going to PTQ Knoxville this Saturday.

Here's a deck:



So the deck is tooled to enter a largely unknown meta because of my unfamiliarity with the regional players in East TN. The sideboard should underscore this. And yes, I don't have any Damnations currently so I've got a ghetto substitute.

Most of the sideboard is pretty self explanatory but the capsules are for Tron-Emrakul and Reanimator-Iona nonsense which would hurt this deck greatly. The Creeping Corrosions are obviously for affinity because you still need a 4cc sweep against them. The bonus is this one won't kill my K-Finks or E-witness or beast tokens and it'll hit platings. That's a big deal.

I took a pretty daring leap in the main by forcing in 2 Putrefy to acknowledge that affinity is a very easy autopilot deck that runs fast enough to be a problem. That's also why there's 2 more in the board (I may have misremembered that slot incorrectly... I am at work not at home with the pile).

Let me know some thoughts please. 

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So about that mono-black version.   I've been messing with the idea of some sort of MBC with a creature base of Haakon, Stromgald Scourge, Gravecrawler, and Geralf's Messenger.  Obliterator and Tombstalker still fit of course. 
This looks like the right style of deck to make use of something like that.  Any thoughts?

edit:  Just looked up a couple other Zombie Knights to enable both Haakon and Gravecrawler.  Stillmoon Cavalier, Phyrexian Crusader, and Stromgald Crusader all look usable.  And Nameless Inversion would be the targeted kill spell.
I don't like the way its been built.

It doesn't possess enough raw degenerate power.

I was working on a mono black tron deck where I added Death Cloud to it. Tough to make work however. 

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Here you, black death cloud tron.

4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
4 Urza's Mine
1 Eye of Ugin
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
8 Swamp

4 Epochrasite
3 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Sundering Titan
2 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Tombstalker

4 Golgari Signet
4 Smother
3 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Profane Command
2 Mind Shatter
3 Death Cloud
2 Karn Liberated
2 Phyrexian Arena


See, big pile of hot trash that I want to play so bad.

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Hehe, I say go for it Niche, My only concern is Zoo and other aggro decks, but, I guess BSZ will nueter them nicely.
I'm more interested in feedback on the BG list.

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