Can you Delay if you are Dazed? (And Precedence Order of Rules Sources)

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Can you Delay if you are Dazed? (And Precedence Order of Rules Sources)

Player's Handbook p 288: "You also can't delay if you're dazed or if you're unable to take actions."

Rules Updates: www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateCompiled... no change to PHB p 288

Online Compendium Glossary Entry for Delay: "Delay Entire Turn: You must delay your entire turn, so you can’t delay if you’ve already taken an action
on your turn. You also can’t delay if you’re dazed or if you’re unable to take actions."

Rules Compendium p 241-242: No mention of not being able to delay if dazed or unable to take actions.

So, questions are: Is the player's handbook rule still in effect (it appear so since it is also in the online compendium still)? What is the precedence order of the various rules sources? Are there other rules the Rules Compendium does not mention?
The most recently published material is what the rules go by. So that would be the RC version. Just note that delaying won't cause your daze to end.

Isn't the online compendium and the rules updates newer than the rules compendium?

Isn't the online compendium and the rules updates newer than the rules compendium?

Sadly, that is not case. The fact that it isn't causes unncessary confusion.

Limond is correct: as of the release of the Rules Compendium, you are allowed to delay while dazed.

Yup Delaying is a Free Action and you are allowed to take Free Actions while Dazed. Since the Rule Compendium is the latest Rule in print, it take precedence.

You can also Delay during a Surprise Rounds in which you are not Surprised.

Good catch BTW Arksorn !

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Sorry, but you are wrong.

Delay is a 'No Action'. You cannot delay while dazed.

The rules compendium is a summary of rules and a supplement to the original rules and has re-defined rules or changes to existing rules.

There are many rules in the original books that have not changed.
Ummmmm, no.

PHB: No Action, specifically cannot delay while dazed.

RC:  Free Action, you can only take this action when your turn is about to start. No mention of daze at all, but you can take Free Actions while Dazed. Hey look! A general rule with no specific! What do we do when that happens?

You can't make the argument that a document intended to completely replace all previous rules that it discusses is somehow not the new rule just because it omits part of the old rule, when omission represents a rules change.

That'd be the equivalent of suggesting that any new text introduced in the RC that differs from previous rules is also incorrect. That is just nonsense and not how the 4e rules update system works.

The rules compendium is a summary of rules and a supplement to the original rules and has re-defined rules or changes to existing rules.



Please let me disagree. The Rule Compendium is not said to be a summary of the Rules intended to supplement the original Rules, but rather that it is the complete core rules for the 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons.  

 Many Rules have changes. Flank now require you to see the creature you, Shift doesn't trigger any Opportunity Actions anymore and not just Opportunity Attack,  Flank Delay is now a Free action etc...  

Rule Compendium: This handy and comprehensive Dungeons & Dragons book is intended as a quick rules reference. It contains the complete core rules for the 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons Fantasy Roleplaying Game.


You can find a good summary of the change to the Rulesets that weren't Errata or Rule Update reported here: 

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... 

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