Standard Tournament Center: Tier 2 Guidelines and Requests

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Hello everybody!  With standard, there is a major rift between the decks that frequently do well at big tournaments and the decks that show up less frequently that people still like to play.  This is for those threads.  Generally, this section will be for decks that actually have shown up in the top tables of a major tournament at some time, but we'll deal with these requests on a case by case basis.

Another thing I want to make clear - like the Tier 1 Tournament Center, you will not be allowed to post a thread here without permission.  But hey, that's what this request thread is for.  If there's a deck you think deserves to go in this section, post it here for approval by me or CageofPancakes.  If either of us okay the deck, go ahead and make a thread.
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Firstly, I want to say that the addition of a standard tier 2 subforum is long overdue. I definitely like the change. I am curious though if the purpose of this subforum is to discuss tier 2 decks that could become tier 1 decks with enough work and the right tools, or if it is to discuss tier 2 just as they are, tearing up some local FNMs and occasionally eking out a win at a larger tournament.

Secondly, if I could propose a deck that I believe should go in this section, it is definitely U/W Puresteel. The deck has made several top 8 showings and is very fun to play. Another possible deck is Grand Architect. It has had fewer top 8 placements, but is still a strong deck and has proven that it has a good matchup against some of the tier 1 decks.

I'm not sure if there is a Puresteel thread in the deck help subforum, but I know there is one for Architect decks that could be moved over. If there is no Puresteel thread, I am willing to make one.

Here's a thread to move here, it's by no means popular enough for tier 1, but it belongs here on achievements at least: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...(Control_and_Tezz)?sdb=1&pg=last#505347317
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Could you move the KRed thread from Deck Help to here?

Also, if there's a Goblins thread somewhere (I think there is), then that should probably go here as well.

KRed: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

Dunno if there's a Goblins Thread with a proper OP and primer and so on. If there's not, you might want to consider asking someone to do it - also, if you can't find anybody, I won't mind doing it. Not much, anyway. =)
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the one problem i still have with this set up is that if i'm building a "rogue" list, but its clearly built with a higher caliber of cards.... i don't want to get spammed by bad ideas from posters in deck help.  but, that's where i'm made to start out.  i was hoping the "in between" section of the forums would be set up to recieve good level of decks.  now granted i realize that decks that, say, wouldn't meet certain qualifications would still get posted, but it just gets hard when you post a deck in deck help and it gets buried under the 7th thread about illusions or 17th mono black thread, or 10th golem thread.

that is all.

additioinally, doesn't this set up maybe have cause to create a lot more logistical work if archetypes became more and less popular on a event to event basis?

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the one problem i still have with this set up is that if i'm building a "rogue" list, but its clearly built with a higher caliber of cards.... i don't want to get spammed by bad ideas from posters in deck help.  but, that's where i'm made to start out.  i was hoping the "in between" section of the forums would be set up to recieve good level of decks.  now granted i realize that decks that, say, wouldn't meet certain qualifications would still get posted, but it just gets hard when you post a deck in deck help and it gets buried under the 7th thread about illusions or 17th mono black thread, or 10th golem thread.

that is all.

additioinally, doesn't this set up maybe have cause to create a lot more logistical work if archetypes became more and less popular on a event to event basis?

I agree with everything that B_F said. Didn't want to be the one to bring it up now that we've finally gotten our third sub-forum, but yeah.

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the one problem i still have with this set up is that if i'm building a "rogue" list, but its clearly built with a higher caliber of cards.... i don't want to get spammed by bad ideas from posters in deck help.  but, that's where i'm made to start out.  i was hoping the "in between" section of the forums would be set up to recieve good level of decks.  now granted i realize that decks that, say, wouldn't meet certain qualifications would still get posted, but it just gets hard when you post a deck in deck help and it gets buried under the 7th thread about illusions or 17th mono black thread, or 10th golem thread.

 


So you put (Tournament Level) in the thread title, and maybe make a disclaimer in the OP, takes what, 20 seconds?
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the one problem i still have with this set up is that if i'm building a "rogue" list, but its clearly built with a higher caliber of cards.... i don't want to get spammed by bad ideas from posters in deck help.  but, that's where i'm made to start out.  i was hoping the "in between" section of the forums would be set up to recieve good level of decks.  now granted i realize that decks that, say, wouldn't meet certain qualifications would still get posted, but it just gets hard when you post a deck in deck help and it gets buried under the 7th thread about illusions or 17th mono black thread, or 10th golem thread.

that is all.

additioinally, doesn't this set up maybe have cause to create a lot more logistical work if archetypes became more and less popular on a event to event basis?



This forum is the go-between for decks. Decks that are good but just dont cut it in tournament and do not really post much results if any.

Now a problem I think you have, is that you think posting in this new forum will somehow eliminate bad critique and ideas. It will not, we do not limit the people who will post in this new forum.

Also if a deck does not get discussion in deck help, that generally means people are not interested or the deck itself is uninteresting and people just do not want to discuss it or develop it. That is not Deck Helps fault. That is just how things work. Threads in deck help will still be made and discussion will happen.

Also saying the ideas are bad are suggestive and differs quite a bit, what I wont use and what are bad are two different things. Also it could come down to ideolgy and other things.

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Could you move the KRed thread from Deck Help to here?

Also, if there's a Goblins thread somewhere (I think there is), then that should probably go here as well.

KRed: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

Dunno if there's a Goblins Thread with a proper OP and primer and so on. If there's not, you might want to consider asking someone to do it - also, if you can't find anybody, I won't mind doing it. Not much, anyway. =)


We're grouping the red deck wins variants into the thread in the Tier 1 section, which includes traditional red deck wins, goblins, and KRed.  More specific discussion of the archetype can go in either the TC thread that's already there or in the deck help thread if people prefer that.
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Firstly, I want to say that the addition of a standard tier 2 subforum is long overdue. I definitely like the change. I am curious though if the purpose of this subforum is to discuss tier 2 decks that could become tier 1 decks with enough work and the right tools, or if it is to discuss tier 2 just as they are, tearing up some local FNMs and occasionally eking out a win at a larger tournament.

Secondly, if I could propose a deck that I believe should go in this section, it is definitely U/W Puresteel. The deck has made several top 8 showings and is very fun to play. Another possible deck is Grand Architect. It has had fewer top 8 placements, but is still a strong deck and has proven that it has a good matchup against some of the tier 1 decks.

I'm not sure if there is a Puresteel thread in the deck help subforum, but I know there is one for Architect decks that could be moved over. If there is no Puresteel thread, I am willing to make one.


I'm fine with the paladin thread going in.  I just looked it up and there doesn't appear to be a major thread for the archetype, so you have my permission to start the thread directly in this section when you have the time to.  Grand Architect I'm less sure of, so I'll leave CageofPancakes to decide that one.

I will be adding the U/B Infect list, though, since it's had a cult following ever since Brian Kibler (?) first popularized it.
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Agreed, but as far as I know, there isn't a major thread in deck help to even move.  If someone can volunteer to make the thread, let me know and I'll give you permission to make it here.

If a recent elves thread is active enough, I'll move it in here.  Otherwise, I'll let it be.
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the one problem i still have with this set up is that if i'm building a "rogue" list, but its clearly built with a higher caliber of cards.... i don't want to get spammed by bad ideas from posters in deck help.  but, that's where i'm made to start out.  i was hoping the "in between" section of the forums would be set up to recieve good level of decks.  now granted i realize that decks that, say, wouldn't meet certain qualifications would still get posted, but it just gets hard when you post a deck in deck help and it gets buried under the 7th thread about illusions or 17th mono black thread, or 10th golem thread.

that is all.

additioinally, doesn't this set up maybe have cause to create a lot more logistical work if archetypes became more and less popular on a event to event basis?

I agree with everything that B_F said. Didn't want to be the one to bring it up now that we've finally gotten our third sub-forum, but yeah.


where the hell is the regular deck help??
Dutch, regular deck help is in the section called "Standard Deck Help."  You can easily see it from Standard General.
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Friendliest Player 2010 Werewolves Invade YMtC!: Town-aligned Rotworm Mass, Survived, Mafia Victory Heroes Mafia: Angela Petrelli, Town-Aligned Undercover Revengeful Mother, Win for Me, Mafia Victory Super Smash Bros. Mafia: Town-Aligned Mason, Survived, Town Victory Bear Mafia: Town-Aligned Vanilla, Lynched Day 1, Mafia Victory YMtC Mafia II: Henry-Stern, Town-Aligned Vanilla, Town Victory, Town MVP Time Fracture Mafia: Mafia-Aligned Nero, the Last Romulan, Lynched Day 3, Borg Victory Touhou Mafia III: Tenshi Hinani, Town-Aligned Vanilla, Survived, Mafia Victory, Town MVP Mafia 2010: Lynched Day 1, Town-Aligned Vanilla, Mafia Victory Dragonball Z Mafia: Goku, Town-Aligned Charismatic Townie, Mafia Victory Quarantined Mafia: Lynched Day 4, J. Walter Weatherman, Infected-Aligned Administrative Assistant, Mr. T (so basically mafia) Victory Glass Box Mafia: Killed Night 2, Icthys, Town-Aligned Networker, Town Victory Battle Royale Mafia: Killed Night 3, Zipperflesh and Dark Stryke Victory Scars of Mirrodin Mafia: Killed Night 3, Town-Aligned Charismatic, Mafia Victory Portal Mafia: Lynched Day 3, Test Subject #2, Mafia-Aligned Rolestopper, Town Victory (that was utter BS) Toxic Waste Mafia: Survived, Violet, Hive (Cult)-Aligned Powerless Taskmaster, Hive Victory PK Hatez You Mafia: Survived, Town-Aligned Goth, Mafia Victory Dreven City: A Wild West Mafia: Town-Aligned "Los Angeles" Reed, One-Shot Vig, Survived, Town Victory (just barely, major props to Just a Cleric) YMtC Mafia III: Killed Night 2, Mafia Victory Vampire Mafia: Mafia-Aligned Pander, Mafia Victory Touhou Border Collapse: Bill Cosby, Town-Aligned, Killed Night 1, Mafia Victory Harry Potter Mafia: Argus Filch, Town-Aligned Tracker, Lynched Day 5, Mafia Victory [Basic #5] Bandit Mafia: Town-Aligned Vanilla, Survived, Mafia Victory Borderlands Mafia: Town-Aligned Mason, Killed Night 1, Town Victory eBay Mafia: Mafia-Aligned, Survived, Mafia Victory Full Metal Alchemist Mafia: Alphonse Elric, Town-Aligned Mason, Killed Night 1, Town Victory Sunflowers for Ragnarokio: Lynched Day 3, Town/Just a Cleric/Tevish Szat/Faux-Razor Victory True Blood Mafia: Lynched Day 4, Mafia Victory My Mafia Diary: Skyhunter, Mafia-Aligned Emo, Survived, Flawless Mafia Victory Paper Mario Mafia: Blue Goomba, Town-Aligned Lover, Killed Night 2, Mafia Victory Small Town Mafia: Pigsticker Mafia-Aligned Coward, Killed Night 2, Caveman Mafia and Zipperflesh Victory Stuff on my Desk Mafia: Lotus Cobra, Town-Aligned Vanilla, Survived, Mafia Victory Order of the Chaos Rose Mafia: Lord Dagol Ji'Lovik, Town-Aligned Hypnotist, Mafia Victory, Town MVP Camp Crystal Lake Mafia: Ongoing A Certain Magical Mafia: Killed Night 1, Town-Aligned The Siege of Balignor Mafia: Ongoing, Killed Day 4 Mafia of Ancient Egypt: Replaced in for Murica day 2, Ra, Town-Aligned Charismatic, Town Victory, Town MVP Lord of the Rings Mafia: Replaced in for Dr Demento, Town-Aligned Mason/One-Shot Self-Doc, Town Victory, Town MVP Internet Stars Mafia: Town-Aligned Vanilla, Mafia Victory Mythos Mafia: Ongoing
This section has less decks than I expected to see.

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I'd like to start a thread for White Weenies humans here since i believe that in this format they have a tremendous amount of potential
I'd like permission to post my Esper Tezzeret deck that I've playtested against the current Tier1 meta.
Everyone knows teir 1 Red Deck Wins, but I'd like to post my Red "Evasion" deck which plays completely diferent and wins where the tier 1 RDW falls apart.
I would like to ask a mod to post a thread for U/W control. Andrew Cuneo went undefeated on day one of worlds with a pure U/W control and could have easily made top 8 in if he didnt draft terribly and run a sub-par modern deck. While U/W may not be Tier 1 I feel it at least warrants a Tier 2 thread so a healthier discussion can be had. Anyone else agree?
I don't know if this is where I'm supposed to post this, but I'd like to request for the Selesnya thread to be moved to Deck Help. Link:

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
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