[Modern] Budget Zoo

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I have no idea if this is appropriate, but I initially put my Zoo deck together with legacy in mind and Extended forums are gathering cobwebs.  Now that Modern has been leaked (at comicon) to be a big part of the near future of sanctioned play, I would prefer to convert this to Modern (especially since no one plays Legacy).

So, for those that do not know what Modern is, the "beta" version is here.  In addition to that banned list I would bet my left knut that Hypergenesis will also be banned.

OK, so the deck (after removal of non legal cards)


...that leaves 8 open slots in the deck, as it stands.

As you can see the mana base is less than ideal, but I have a few plans.  I plan on trading straight across for Arid Mesa (replacing Marsh Flats), and could probably get a hold of 3 more Stomping Ground in the next month or two.  At that point I can make the mana base work

Creature wise I need another efficient one-drop to replace Nimble Mongoose, and possibly some good removal in addition to Helix.  I was thinking about going back to Kird Ape, but with only 7 forests it might be tough to get it going fast enough, even with fetches.

Obviously I have no access to Goyf, and at the moment I have no access to any other swords.
I would:
Cut Kemba. 
Stoneforge Mystic sort of indicates you're leaning towards Big Zoo.
Lightning Bolt is pretty staple.
Sword of Vengeance can go too.
Probably safely add Qasali Pridemage. Old Extended was very artifact/enchantment based.
3 Mystics means 2 Equips. I'd actually go with Jitte/Batterskull if you have it, or Sword of Fire/Ice - Batterskull
You can probably squeeze out a land.
The SOM lands look better then painlands right now.

Summary:
-3 Kemba
-1 Sword of Vengeance 
-1 Sword of Body and Mind
-1 Land

+4 Lightning Bolt 
+1 Pridemage
+1 Grim Lavamancer

If Hypergenesis doesn't get banned, you'll need to run a singleton Hallowed Fountain in the main and Meddling Mage in the sideboard. Noble Hierarch looks good here too if its in the budget.
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I would:
Cut Kemba. 
Stoneforge Mystic sort of indicates you're leaning towards Big Zoo.
Lightning Bolt is pretty staple.
Sword of Vengeance can go too.
Probably safely add Qasali Pridemage. Old Extended was very artifact/enchantment based.
3 Mystics means 2 Equips. I'd actually go with Jitte/Batterskull if you have it, or Sword of Fire/Ice - Batterskull


Jitte is banned (I know, lame).  Also, I failed to make it obvious that there are already 8 open slots from removing stuff that is not legal in the format.

Summary:
-3 Kemba
-1 Sword of Vengeance 
-1 Sword of Body and Mind
-1 Land

+4 Lightning Bolt 
+1 Pridemage
+1 Grim Lavamancer


I think the format might be slightly slower than Legacy so Kemba might work at the top of the curve.  I also own another SFM, so perhaps that ought to go in.
Its unfortunate that Kemba actually is inferor to every other option at 3 for Zoo. 

8 Slots.

With that I'd: 
+4 Bolt
+4 Path to Exile
-3 Kemba
-1 Sword of Vengeance
+1 Pridemage
+1 Stoneforge Mystic
+1 Grim Lavamancer
+1 Helix
 
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I'd play Sword of Fire and Ice and Sword of Feast and Famine instead of War and Peace and Body and Mind. That's the only thing I'd change about the list. Sword of Light and Shadow is a card I'd also consider for the SB. The recursion it provides can make a huge difference in some matchups.
Well it looks like Stoneforge Mystic is banned, now I am really in trouble.  Zoo might as well be called goyf.dec, because if you don't have it on your list you are not going anywhere.  I need to pull an efficient 2cmc creature out of my nether regions, now.
Damn i was building a similiar zoo and now cant include stoneforge this sux big time. Its eithrr play so so zoo or shell out 300 for goyf. This needs a reprint asap
Could always play Landfall Zoo...

4 Steppe Lynx
4 Kird Ape
4 Plated Geopede
4 Knight of the Reliquary
... 
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Could always play Landfall Zoo...

4 Steppe Lynx
4 Kird Ape
4 Plated Geopede
4 Knight of the Reliquary
... 


I was going to go the Kird Ape rout, but that means buying at least 3 more Shocklands, and probably more like 7 more (for a total of 4x Stomping Ground and 4x Temple Garden) for it to be as aggressive as it could be, and that is $80 I don't have at the moment.

Steppe Linx works, but adding in 4 more landfall cards starts to dilute it.  I am seriously thinking about Scab-Clan Mauler, but a 3/3 trampler for 2 seems slightly underwhelming.

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Stormblood Berserker


I went with Kird Ape, Gaddock Teeg, and Figure of Destiny.  Now I have to find a way to get the money for shocklands.
If 4 kird apes are good is 8 kird apes better?
If 4 kird apes are good is 8 kird apes better?

Most the time yes, but only if you have the budget to afford the shock lands and fetch lands necessary to support them.

A fairly average starting point for zoo is something like this:

Creatures:

4x Kird Ape
4x Loam Lion
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Tarmogoyf
3-4x Qasali Pridemage
3-4x Knight of the Reliquary

Other Spells:

4x Lightning Bolt
4x Lightning Helix
3-4x Path to Exile

Lands:

4x Arid Mesa
1-3x Marsh Flats
1-3x Misty Rainforest
1-3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Sacred Foundry
3x Stomping Ground
3x Temple Garden
1x Plains
1x Mountain or Forest

From here it can be fleshed out a little with various options such as Steppe Lynx, Grim Lavamancer, Ranger of Eos, Figure of Destiny, etc. Zoo is powerful but very expensive, mostly due to the mana base and Tarmogoyf. By comparison, the rest of the deck is fairly inexpensive.
Shock Lands and Fetches are easily the best thing if you have anything in your budget to buy first. They retain value, and are usable in eternal formats, and you can use them as trade material and in EDH stuff.
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Shock Lands and Fetches are easily the best thing if you have anything in your budget to buy first. They retain value, and are usable in eternal formats, and you can use them as trade material and in EDH stuff.





Good to hear i picked up 11 shock lands 8 fetch lands, 4 tarmogoyfs for my modern/legacy zoo.

Would really need 11 dual lands to play competetive legacy but thats not happening anytime soon lol
That is not in doubt.  Anyone getting in to Modern would do well to invest in shocks and fetches, and then look at spells.  Spells can be replaced and worked around, but an excellent mana base can improve most decks.

The reality, though, is that for most people that do not have them it will take time to collect them.
Since modern has its own section now, I'll be getting this moved to Modern Deck Help now.
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This is a list without the Goyf, which should bring down the pricetag quite a lot. Do you really think he's that important for the deck?
Of course there's still the boatload of expensive lands. I don't know if I got the manabase right, suggestions are welcome. Especially in the price reduction department.

Lands (22)
4x Arid Mesa
4x Sacred Foundry
4x Stomping Ground
4x Temple Garden
2x Copperline Gorge
2x Razorverge Thicket
1x Mountain
1x Plains

Creatures (26)
4x Kird Ape
4x Loam Lion
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Stormblood Berserker
3x Qasali Pridemage
3x Gaddock Teeg
4x Woolly Thoctar

Spells (12)
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Path to Exile
4x Lightning Helix
This is a list without the Goyf, which should bring down the pricetag quite a lot. Do you really think he's that important for the deck?
Of course there's still the boatload of expensive lands. I don't know if I got the manabase right, suggestions are welcome. Especially in the price reduction department.

Lands (22)
4x Arid Mesa
4x Sacred Foundry
4x Stomping Ground
4x Temple Garden
2x Copperline Gorge
2x Razorverge Thicket
1x Mountain
1x Plains

Creatures (26)
4x Kird Ape
4x Loam Lion
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Stormblood Berserker
3x Qasali Pridemage
3x Gaddock Teeg
4x Woolly Thoctar

Spells (12)
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Path to Exile
4x Lightning Helix


Land base looks right, and yes I think goyf is the card that takes zoo from being strong to being dominant.  That said, you build really need Knight of the Reliquary.  With that land base you really want to run KotR.  Wolly Thoctar is good, but KotR will almost always be bigger.  It will fuel one of my favorite cheap beaters along the way, and give you fuel with which to burn, baby, burn.
Zoo needs 8 to 12 fetchlands especially w knight of the reliquary 5 to 8 shocklands and 3 to 6 basic lands
Zoo needs 8 to 12 fetchlands especially w knight of the reliquary 5 to 8 shocklands and 3 to 6 basic lands


I run only 5 fetch lands, and can attest to the fact that I really could use 3-4 more.
I actually go

7 Fetches
11 Shocks
3 Canopy
2 Basics

Can probably drop the Shocks down to 9 for 2 more basics (and better PtE recovery)
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I worked on the manabase a little. More fetches now. I also swapped the Berserker for goyf. Goyf is anything but budget, but he's simply too good. I think if you really can't afford him, you should go for the Berserker though.

Lands (22)
4x Arid Mesa
2x Scalding Tarn
2x Marsh Flats
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Verdant Catacombs
3x Sacred Foundry
3x Stomping Ground
3x Temple Garden
1x Mountain
1x Forest
1x Plains

Creatures (26)
4x Kird Ape
4x Loam Lion
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Qasali Pridemage
3x Gaddock Teeg
4x Woolly Thoctar

Spells (12)
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Path to Exile
4x Lightning Helix

Sideboard (15)
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Condemn
4x Kataki, War's Wage
4x Vexing Shusher
4x Pyroclasm

I'm awful at making sideboards. I figured this would be alright (Do I need Leonin Arbiter?). I've got the Pyroclasm in there for aggro matchups. Most of my dudes have 3+ thoughness so they'll live. I don't play Grim Lavamancer or Steppe Lynx because their thoughness is so low during my opponents turn. Anyone with Pyroclasm or anything like it will side it in against Zoo and just sweep my guys. I think it's worth going for mostly 3+ toughness guys. There are plenty good ones.
This brings me to Knight of the Reliquary. He benefits the lavamancer and the lynx, but I don't run those. I need to have used at least 3 fetches for it to equal the thoctar. Of course I can use its abbility to grow it, however it will stop me from attacking and no other card in the deck gains any benefit out of it. He's good, but with my build I'd rather go for the thoctar. Please explain to me why I'm mad if I am. :P
Might want to drop a land a thoctar an exile and a teeg and run 4 more burn spells
I worked on the manabase a little. More fetches now. I also swapped the Berserker for goyf.


Congratulations on getting that $400 to spend on 4 pieces of cardboard, though you are right that this should be in a Zoo thread that does not have the word "Budget" in it's title.
Might want to drop a land a thoctar an exile and a teeg and run 4 more burn spells

No, this would be a bad call.  8 burn and and 4 exile are just fine, if not a bit excessive in a build that does no run Berserker.  If it were me I would drop two lands (probably fetches) and two bolts (or one bolt and one helix) for four more creatures (3x Steppe Lynx, 1x Pridemage), though the build as it looks is perfectly fine, and might do better in certain meta-games.

I originally wanted to run 8 burn but most zoo in legacy run 4 bolts 4 helix and 3 or 4 chain lightning. To stay turn 4 kill it needs 11 or 12 burn. This meta will be more creature but quicker the better. To each his own i guess.

3 or 4 more burn sorcery would pump up his goyf as well. Cant always rely on enemy to make goyf big
This is my SUPER BUDGET zoo... I basically just used the lands I currently have available and picked up the spells & creatures (which were pretty cheap comparatively).  I need help fixing up a side board, and if my current land set up is half descent... (i know what i should have... but i don't know what i can try to get away with)




Any sideboard suggestions?