7/14/2011 FtL: "'Walkers Old and New"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.

You've got to love how trying to build around Sorin's signature spells leads to having to add another Planeswalker suite to the deck to make it interesting.

I've said it before, but I feel that it applies here as well. Sorin's two spells in M12 are bland. They do not combo with each other at all, unlike the other spells in the cycle. The common is actually a direct rip from what's printed on Sorin's card, though made slightly worse. The rare only comboes so far as "I make your life total 10, then kill you" is a combo. And the worst part is that the spells do not give us any insight into Sorin's character, which defeats the entire purpose behind printing them. Are we seriously to believe that the oldest planeswalker, who has been traveling the multiverse longer than any of us have even been alive, has learned no useful tricks other than his own two fangs?

If Sorin's Thirst and Sorin's Vengeance were the best Wizards could give us for Sorin, they should have kept Liliana Vess in the core set.
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"Some go cow tipping, I go 8 tipping" hhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha Cool
"Some go cow tipping, I go 8 tipping" hhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha Cool


Yeah, I was gonna point out this quote too. I laughed out loud at work after reading that, leading to some curious looks my way... Innocent
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Great article, nice decks. Keep it up Noel!
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57817638 wrote:
I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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56747598 wrote:
57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
56816728 wrote:
56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
56957928 wrote:
OH MY GOD
109874309 wrote:
The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
56874518 wrote:
Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
57817638 wrote:
57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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57309598 wrote:
I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
58325628 wrote:
Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
Doug Beyer:
But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
57927608 wrote:
to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
58347268 wrote:
when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
143229641 wrote:
I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
Omega137:
Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right." Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"
Zigeif777:
Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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94618431 wrote:
I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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97980259 wrote:
My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
70246459 wrote:
[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
Blue Blast needs a Psychosis Crawler - yea I know, not blue. But awesome kill
I like articles like this one, because they sometimes make it quite obvious that R&D doesn't really understand the possibilities of the color pie. For example, I've written a lot of times that the ability to tap creatures (like in Gideon's Lawkeeper) should return to blue - where it belongs. They didn't choose to switch the color, but when "forced" to create a deck around it, guess what color Noel chooses? - Blue.

Therefore the Avenger would be great as a blue card, since blue already has many other cards that are based around this strategy. Obvious choices are Sleep, Frost Titan, Frost Breath, Narcolepsy and Curse of Chains.

The Alluring Siren is a symbol of how hard it seems to be for the R&D team to separate blue and white, since this card could also be a "Gideon's Siren" referencing card.
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The Archivist is just another failure. The windfall was a powerful card, nearly as powerful as the old Wheel of Fortune. To really generate an advantage out of this card, a player has to be able to cast more spells than his opponent.
Which color ought to be the fastest? Blue control? A blue counterspell deck? - I don't think so.

So where do I use the Windfall? - In an aggressive red deck. Cast some Seething Songs, Lightning Bolts and co. to put your opponent under pressure. If you ran low on gas, cast a Windfall and go on with the lightning.

Ergo: Both Windfall and the Archivist should be red instead, replacing the old Wheel of Furtune and adding more options beside Browbeat, Molten Psyche, Sensation Gorger or even Chandra herself. The gimmick on Windfall is the random output in relation of ow many cards an opponent has.

And if you really want to keep this deck mono-colored, the most simple choice is Mind over Matter. As long as a player as 2+ cards in his/her hand, it's an infinity loop.
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As chronego has already mentioned, the black referencing cards are really boring, adding nearly no new value. As for the deck, Noel has created, I would have combined Sorin's Vengeance with Sanguine Bond instead... which would have been a cool referencing card too.
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I don't like the new version of Chandra. The first ability still feels too weak if you compare it with Honden of Infinite Rage. The second ability however can be really powerful, since it doesn't require any amount of mana. I would like to abuse this ability with Time Walk or similar cards. It's even so powerful that I wouldn't even try to get to the ultimate ability.

So if R&D really liked the idea of giving chandra the copying ability she has in the comics, I would have suggested a -X ability, where X equals the casting cost of the spell.
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Garruk's Horde is another funny example. As I've written many times, I believe that Future Sight would be a wonderful red card. To see that R&D has reprinted this card as a green creature, limiting it towards creatures and seeing Noel designing a red goblin deck around it, somehow proves that I were right... and it really needs to be an ability of a red card instead.

Nonetheless. the Horde is an easy choice for any green elf deck (see Modern Elves).

The Archivist is just another failure. The windfall was a powerful card, nearly as powerful as the old Wheel of Fortune. To really generate an advantage out of this card, a player has to be able to cast more spells than his opponent.
Which color ought to be the fastest? Blue control? A blue counterspell deck? - I don't think so.

So where do I use the Windfall? - In an aggressive red deck. Cast some Seething Songs, Lightning Bolts and co. to put your opponent under pressure. If you ran low on gas, cast a Windfall and go on with the lightning.

Ergo: Both Windfall and the Archivist should be red instead, replacing the old Wheel of Furtune and adding more options beside Browbeat, Molten Psyche, Sensation Gorger or even Chandra herself. The gimmick on Windfall is the random output in relation of ow many cards an opponent has.


The fact that a red deck might want to use Jace's Archivist does not mean that the Archivist should be red.  If R&D assigned cards to colors based solely on what type of deck would want them, we would end up with five highly linear, monocolored strategies and no reason to ever play multicolored decks.

The same goes for most of your other comments. 
I like articles like this one, because they sometimes make it quite obvious that R&D doesn't really understand the possibilities of the color pie. For example, I've written a lot of times that the ability to tap creatures (like in Gideon's Lawkeeper) should return to blue - where it belongs. They didn't choose to switch the color, but when "forced" to create a deck around it, guess what color Noel chooses? - Blue.

Therefore the Avenger would be great as a blue card, since blue already has many other cards that are based around this strategy. Obvious choices are Sleep, Frost Titan, Frost Breath, Narcolepsy and Curse of Chains.


I think the ability is fine as it is. It shows up in Blue mostly on instants/sorceries or as triggered abilities of permanents. And when Blue does get it as an activated ability, it doesn't spend mana on it, like Vedalken Certarch. I think there's plenty of room to share the ability between the two; it is a very White ability, as tapping something prevents it from getting into combat, which is one of White's things.


The Alluring Siren is a symbol of how hard it seems to be for the R&D team to separate blue and white, since this card could also be a "Gideon's Siren" referencing card.


Forcing something to attack is not a very White thing. Yes, Gideon has it, but he does it in a way that it comes across more as "If you're going to hurt someone, it's going to be me." The ability of the Siren doesn't strike me as White. If anything, I think it's more Red.


So where do I use the Windfall? - In an aggressive red deck. Cast some Seething Songs, Lightning Bolts and co. to put your opponent under pressure. If you ran low on gas, cast a Windfall and go on with the lightning.


While I personally would love to see Red get some manner of card draw, as it is my opinion that in a card game every color should have access to extra card drawing, I do not think it fits well with Red's color pie philosophy. The best Red really can get is Burning Inquiry effects, where the number of cards in hand doesn't change.


As for the deck, Noel has created, I would have combined Sorin's Vengeance with Sanguine Bond instead... which would have been a cool referencing card too.


Yes! I love that card.


As I've written many times, I believe that Future Sight would be a wonderful red card.


I'm not sure if I agree that is fits Red's color pie, but that would certainly be an awesome Red version of "card drawing". Like I said above, I'd love to see each color get some form of card draw: Wall of Omens, Sign in Blood, Hunter's Insight. It might be a bit powerful with Red's fast mana and cheap creatures/burn spells, but I would still love to see it. Red is the color of top-decking... and that's exactly what Future Sight does!
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