Progenitus Vs Emrakul

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I was just wondering who would win in a fight between Progenitus and Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. Not necessarily card wise just in general if these two had it out who would win?
Whoever wins... WE LOSE.
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It's a draw. Every single time.
Well, Time of Heroes and Near-Death Experience seem to depict the people of Zendikar rallying, led by Gideon, and killing Emrakul.

So that seems to speak poorly for Emrakul.

It is also entirely possible that an alliance of mere mortal individuals could bring down Progenitus, of course. (Yes, I know Gideon's a planeswalker, but in all respects other than travelling between planes, he's no more individually powerful than a non-planeswalker. He is a veteran, but it's experience and knowledge that planeswalkers bring to the table, not power.) I'm not saying Emrakul will lose. I'm just saying that even eldritch horrors awakened from ancient slumber to wreak havoc upon an unsuspecting world need to be careful of large groups of people with pointed sticks.
Gideon kills him when tapped =]
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Progenitus: Bring it!! Watcha gonna do? You can't touch me, *****!!

Emrakul: Imma fly around you and eat your plane, k? *Nom*
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Progenitus: Bring it!! Watcha gonna do? You can't touch me, *****!!

Emrakul: Imma fly around you and eat your plane, k? *Nom*



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=== My Decklist === Myr Mania - Standard If you've got some time, give 'em a look-over. I'm always looking for constructive opinion. :3
One thought that had occured to me is that Emrakul can weild swords while progenitus can't.

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Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.
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Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.
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Funny story: InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul: Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?" Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb." Me: "*Sigh*. Okay." I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board. Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
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Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol.
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Oh I have a standing rule. If someone plays a Planeswalker I concede the game. I refuse to play with or against people who play Planeswalkers. They really did ruin the game.
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57461258 wrote:
And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
57461258 wrote:
See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
57461258 wrote:
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
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I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now. O' Jesus Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle. Amen.
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It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic, giving you time to set up your silly combo. Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
Seriously, that was amazing. I laughed my *ss off. Made my day, and I just woke up.
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.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?
Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again? Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.
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I don't say this often, but ... LOL
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You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster... Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil. And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.
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I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here. ...
Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic
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112114441 wrote:
we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
I lol'd.
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Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?
The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."
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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right? Right.
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Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
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This just won the argument, AFAIC.
That's just awesome.
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HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players. And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it. He/It got me with Light of Sanction, which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).
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heaven or hell.
Round 1. Lets rock.
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Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS. I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about: creatures.
Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad, things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed.
You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.
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57307308 wrote:
Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius?
56874518 wrote:
First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.
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I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.
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I <3 you loads
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"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran
10/10. Amazing.
Progenitus: Bring it!! Watcha gonna do? You can't touch me, *****!!

Emrakul: Imma fly around you and eat your plane, k? *Nom*



^ omg roflmao

but seriously, i think Progenitus has this. Prot everything! And if Em flys in to make a normally killing shot (6 kills), Progenitus has 4 more heads :P Thats still quadruple strike ^_^
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Please.

Relevant.
Well, Time of Heroes and Near-Death Experience seem to depict the people of Zendikar rallying, led by Gideon, and killing Emrakul.

So that seems to speak poorly for Emrakul.

It is also entirely possible that an alliance of mere mortal individuals could bring down Progenitus, of course. (Yes, I know Gideon's a planeswalker, but in all respects other than travelling between planes, he's no more individually powerful than a non-planeswalker. He is a veteran, but it's experience and knowledge that planeswalkers bring to the table, not power.) I'm not saying Emrakul will lose. I'm just saying that even eldritch horrors awakened from ancient slumber to wreak havoc upon an unsuspecting world need to be careful of large groups of people with pointed sticks.


 that seems to me more like them just barely surviving around the eldrazi, like you might want to exterminate rats, but theyre still there anyway, even when you get an exterminator
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Yes, the guys from Zendikar may have fought a few Eldrazi, but even Gideon knew he couldn't defeat Emrakul and planeswalked away looking for help. Hopefully there'll be someone left to save when he gets back.

Well, Time of Heroes and Near-Death Experience seem to depict the people of Zendikar rallying, led by Gideon, and killing Emrakul.

 

...who just get shuffled back into the library, meaning it will come back. Again and again.


(Progenitus would, too, by the way.)

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All I know is that O-Kagachi beats them both.




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Final judgment
All I know is that O-Kagachi beats them both.




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Final judgment



Who or what is O-Kagachi?
All I know is that O-Kagachi beats them both.




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Final judgment



Who or what is O-Kagachi?

Some kind of spirit hydra which was lord of all the kami (so I guess some kind of supreme god among gods?), the war of kamigawa started because one human stole his most precious treasure, which was also the core of his power stored or something.
I am not really the best person to explain this, I do know that while he doesnt have a card, the stolen "core" has:

That Which Was Taken

Maybe someone can explain this better? and correct me in case I said something wrong?

Well, Time of Heroes and Near-Death Experience seem to depict the people of Zendikar rallying, led by Gideon, and killing Emrakul.

 

...who just get shuffled back into the library, meaning it will come back. Again and again.


(Progenitus would, too, by the way.)




That which is not dead can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die. I sometimes sideboard Emrakul against mill decks for just that reason.

Anyway, that page did make one mstake. If Progenitus' controller has fewer than five other permanents, all Emrakul has to do is attack and Progenitus goes straight to the graveyard (and then back into the library).
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Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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All I know is that O-Kagachi beats them both.




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Final judgment



Who or what is O-Kagachi?



O-Kagachi is oldest, largest, and most powerful kami of Kamigawa, and the ruler of the spirit world. It wasn't known to exist until the 20th year of the kami war when it manifested itself into the material world of Kamigawa and ate 3000 of Konda's men in a single bite. Then, another one of it's mouths bit Yosei, the morning star in half.


Flavorly speaking, Emmy rips Proggy in half. Proggy is a overpowered hydra. Emmy is a being that comes from the Blind Eternities and eats friggin' planes.

Emmy all the way. 

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Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
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57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
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One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
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to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
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56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
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Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
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Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
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i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
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If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
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Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
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Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
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But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
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71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
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The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
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"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
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Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
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139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
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I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
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And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
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GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
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192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
147137503 wrote:
77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

JustTerrorIt wrote:

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
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Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
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Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
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Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
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Week 5 : Delaying Shield
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Week 6 : Painter's Servant
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Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
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Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
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Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
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Week 11 : Search the City
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Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
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Week 13 : Clock of Omens
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Week 14 : Light of Sanction
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Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
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Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
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Week 18 : Savor the Moment
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Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
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Week 20 : Transcendence
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Week 21 : Mortus Strider
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Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

This question belongs in Flavor and Storylines. I'll just have it moved there now.



To clear a few things up:

Near-Death Experience depicts Gideon defending a single stronghold while the citizens evacuated. He defeated the invading Eldrazi spawn, only to come face to face with Emrakul, at which point he said, if I remember correctly, "We're going to need a bigger boat," and sodded off to Ravnica, where he's trying to find Jace so that they can assemble the Wheeled Warriors  the Superfriends  a bunch of Planeswalkers to help in sealing or defeating the Eldrazi.

The other information about O-Kagachi is correct, but it's worth noting as well that That Which Was Taken was only stolen by Konda because the boundary between the Spirit World and the material realm of Kamigawa was breeched by, say it with me kids, Plot Holes Time Rifts. Which only sort of makes sense, but whatever. O-Kagachi was defeated, however, by
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Michiko Konda and That Which Was Taken--they are sisters, sort of, and basically defeated Kamigawa's god and took his place.
So, the Sisters would, if anything, be even more powerful than O-Kagachi.

It's also worth noting that the Eldrazi, Emrakul included, typically suck the life out of a plane from the Blind Eternities. So, it's unlikely that Progenitus would be able to do a damn thing. He may have protection from everything, but I doubt he has protection from starvation when every other lifeform on Alara dies because of a lack of mana. (Which happens--see Ulgrotha).
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Near-Death Experience depicts Gideon defending a single stronghold while the citizens evacuated. He defeated the invading Eldrazi spawn, only to come face to face with Emrakul, at which point he said, if I remember correctly, "We're going to need a bigger boat," and sodded off to Ravnica, where he's trying to find Jace so that they can assemble the Wheeled Warriors  the Superfriends  a bunch of Planeswalkers to help in sealing or defeating the Eldrazi.



The creature depicted on Near-Death Experience is Emrakul, correct? (cf. our other pictures of Emrakul, on Gravitational Shift, Eldrazi Conscription, Consume the Meek, and so on. Emrakul is the big mushroom-shaped eldrazi with twisted arms coming out the bottom and a cleft at the front where its sensory organs seem to be.) Here you can see the NDE picture blown up to full size. As you can see, the corpse in the background is a big mushroom-shaped eldrazi with twisted arms coming out the bottom and a cleft at the front.

That is:

Near-Death Experience depicts Gideon standing in front of Emrakul's dead body.

And the flavour text makes it clear that this card shows the defeat of the eldrazi. Lands ravaged, cities in ruins, so many lives sacrificed, and yet there was no other word for it but victory.

Ergo
it is entirely possible for Gideon, and the mortal soldiers depicted on Time of Heroes (for the creature on that card is also clearly Emrakul) to have killed Emrakul.

Now we could argue about whether they actually did or not. A friend argued to me that WotC wouldn't make Gideon just save the day off screen. There's no drama in that: basic storytelling means that they wouldn't do it. My rejoinder is that the burden of proof is on any argument that claims that WotC has basic storytelling skills. Comparing what WotC did with the plots of Scars or Alara blocks, I am not inclined to be generous to WotC. I don't think it's remotely beyond them to have Emrakul defeated off-screen. However, I don't think that's an important point. My argument is that the cards unambiguously depict the defeat of Emrakul, at the hands of Gideon and mortal soldiers; and therefore it is at the very least conceivably possible that Gideon and mortal soldiers might defeat Emrakul.

So let's not overhype the eldrazi. They're big gribblies, but just like most things, if you hit them enough, they will die.

(For what it's worth, yes, an epic planeswalker team up would be more dramatic. What they should have done is have Gideo, Jace, Chandra, Sorin, and Nissa work together to defeat the eldrazi. But hey, WotC teased an epic planeswalker team up before, to defeat the villain, and look what they did there. We cannot blindly assume that WotC has the slightest clue how to write a story.)

(Which happens--see Ulgrotha).



Wait, what?

Someone killed Ulgrotha?

...

Oh, hang on. You're talking about the Ancients and the Tolgath, aren't you? That didn't destroy Ulgrotha. Yes, the Apocalypse Chime killed everything that needs mana to survive in a 'colourless fire', to quote the comic, but Ulgrotha still existed, and given a bit of time to recover, life flourished there again.

Near-Death Experience depicts Gideon defending a single stronghold while the citizens evacuated. He defeated the invading Eldrazi spawn, only to come face to face with Emrakul, at which point he said, if I remember correctly, "We're going to need a bigger boat," and sodded off to Ravnica, where he's trying to find Jace so that they can assemble the Wheeled Warriors  the Superfriends  a bunch of Planeswalkers to help in sealing or defeating the Eldrazi.



First off, ROFLMAO here^


Near-Death Experience depicts Gideon standing in front of Emrakul's dead body.

And the flavour text makes it clear that this card shows the defeat of the eldrazi. Lands ravaged, cities in ruins, so many lives sacrificed, and yet there was no other word for it but victory.

Ergo
it is entirely possible for Gideon, and the mortal soldiers depicted on Time of Heroes (for the creature on that card is also clearly Emrakul) to have killed Emrakul.

Now we could argue about whether they actually did or not. A friend argued to me that WotC wouldn't make Gideon just save the day off screen. There's no drama in that: basic storytelling means that they wouldn't do it. My rejoinder is that the burden of proof is on any argument that claims that WotC has basic storytelling skills. Comparing what WotC did with the plots of Scars or Alara blocks, I am not inclined to be generous to WotC. I don't think it's remotely beyond them to have Emrakul defeated off-screen. However, I don't think that's an important point. My argument is that the cards unambiguously depict the defeat of Emrakul, at the hands of Gideon and mortal soldiers; and therefore it is at the very least conceivably possible that Gideon and mortal soldiers might defeat Emrakul.




2nd, I want to point out that the eldrazi titans on Zendikar are still trapped there. I think the physical manifestations may have been defeated as seen on the cards by gideon and a rag-tag team of survivors, but the true forms are still locked away. Bolas himself acknowledged (in the webcomic) that Ugin had a secret lock in the eye, which hadn't released when Chandra, jace, and Sarkon released the spawn or when Nissa broke the hedron that released the titans themselves.

I think they are still there, deep in the bowels of Zendikar or there spirits may remain locked in their physical forms, waiting to be released back into the twisting nether. After all, we know you can never defeat a titan, they just shuffle back into the library...

... so there you go, Zendikar is just a big library hiding away the titans.

Now back to Progenitus, Prot everything. He just needs to gather the help of a tajuru preserver and he wins :D
I like the lore debate, but just a thought, why are we limiting this battle to just Progenitus and Emrakul? Why ignore the other two titans? Why ignore any of the other demi-god-like cards that have been printed before?

Here, I reposted this same situation in the Flavor forums to see who else could enter this battle:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
On Near-Death Experience it's showing the brood lineage, not Emrakul... just saying.
On Near-Death Experience it's showing the brood lineage, not Emrakul... just saying.

^^^ This.

The Eldrazi are confirmed Not Defeated by Jenna Helland's story. The plotline has been left dangling.

Emrakul's brood look like Emrakul, so no, it's not "unambiguous" at all... except unabiguously counter to the "Gideon Killed Emrakul" interpretation, maybe.

Emrakul is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than Gideon, so yeah, definitely not Emrakul in that art.

It took three oldwalkers to trap--not destroy, trap--the Eldrazi before. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a bradywalker with inventive bondage gear to defeat one.

I'm also baffled as to why Time of Heroes enters the discussion at all. Just because a bunch of people are rallying against the Eldrazi doesn't mean that they're going to win. It's not like that behavior worked for the Mirrans.

Irandrura, if you really insist on acting like an expert on things, it might help to actually be an expert.

Also, re-read what I said about Ulgrotha. You're missing my meaning.
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On Near-Death Experience  it's showing the brood lineage, not Emrakul... just saying.



Of all the eldrazi we have seen up to this point, the creature on NDE resembles Emrakul the most.

That is to say: it looks like Emrakul. It doesn't look just a bit like Emrakul. It looks exactly like Emrakul.

You say it might be a lesser eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage. Okay. Show me a picture of a lesser eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage that looks like the creature on NDE. Look at the art here. None of the eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage other than Emrakul resemble the creature on NDE so much as Emrakul itself does.

Further: the flavour text on NDE clearly references 'victory'. I take that to be speaking of more than a minor skirmish against some lesser eldrazi. Lesser eldrazi are easily killed, you know. I point out that we have seen Gideon himself killing lesser eldrazi single-handedly, and we've seen the existing powers of Zendikar handle lesser eldrazi with relative ease. Given the magnitude of the devastation on NDE, and the evident difficulty that Gideon had killing the creature on it, I think it is quite implausible that the said creature is a lesser eldrazi.

^^^ This.



Same challenge to you.

Show me a picture of a lesser eldrazi - any lesser eldrazi - that looks like the thing on NDE. Show me a thing that resembles the corpse on NDE as much or more than does Emrakul itself.

And the same point about victory, and Gideon's evident ability to kill lesser eldrazi without that much trouble.

The Eldrazi are confirmed Not Defeated by Jenna Helland's story. The plotline has been left dangling.



The Fort Keff story?

That's a story that was put online early in the publication of RotE, to create drama, build excitement, and so on. We have no reason to think that the story ended there. It's entirely possible that Gideon and a number of mortal soldiers killed Emrakul after the events at Fort Keff; perhaps, in fact, after Gideon travelled to Ravnica, found that the Infinite Consortium and Jace for that matter were huge jerks, and came back.

(And perhaps, incidentally, remembered that he personally is part of a military interplanar organisation that contains multiple planeswalkers. Helland may have dropped the ball there. Why didn't Gideon simply go to the Order and ask them to round up a few planeswalking warriors and come and help? Perhaps he was thrown out of the Order after The Purifying Fire, but if so I would like that to be mentioned... and I'm not sure how he could be thrown out of the Order, since the only illegitimate things he did were 1) tell Chandra how to survive the Fire and 2) leave the Fire chamber at just the right time to let Chandra blow it up. Yet for 1), there were no witnesses, and for 2), all the witnesses were killed because Chandra blew everything up. Still. Gideon is Resnick's character. I suppose it's only natural that Helland wouldn't get everything. And I suppose the WotC site even got the name of Gideon's magic-whip-thing wrong, and we all know the continuity errors in QFK... so, WotC gets things wrong and doesn't coordinate between writers. What a massive surprise.)

Please also recall what I said in my previous post. I'm not at all committed to the claim that Gideon and a group of soldiers did kill Emrakul. I'm committed to the claim that they could have. Something depicted on an M:tG card could happen. (There are some exceptions like Distress, when a card is clearly about hallucination or mental illness; but NDE is clearly not depicting a hallucination.)

Emrakul's brood look like Emrakul, so no, it's not "unambiguous" at all... except unabiguously counter to the "Gideon Killed Emrakul" interpretation, maybe.



Look at the pictures of Emrakul lineage eldrazi in the linked article. Nest Invader is of Emrakul's brood. Emrakul's Hatcher is of Emrakul's brood. Hand of Emrakul is of Emrakul's brood. Those bits of concept art by Mark Tedin are Emrakul's brood. None of them look like the thing on NDE.

Emrakul is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than Gideon, so yeah, definitely not Emrakul in that art.



Emrakul is about fifty metres tall, yes.

I do not recall seeing any clear perspective on NDE. The corpse is way off in the background. I have no problems believing that the thing in the background of NDE is fifty metres tall. There is this wonderful thing called perspective.

By comparison. That building in the background of Belltower Sphinx? That building is actually significantly larger than the sphinx.

...hope I didn't blow anyone's mind with that revelation.

I'm also baffled as to why Time of Heroes  enters the discussion at all. Just because a bunch of people are rallying against the Eldrazi doesn't mean that they're going to win. It's not like that behavior worked for the Mirrans.



Time of Heroes plus Near-Death Experience seem connected, do they not?

The former shows a group of soldiers preparing to fight Emrakul. The latter shows Gideon standing in front of Emrakul's corpse. The important one is NDE, of course, but Time of Heroes is a nice set-up.

Irandrura, if you really insist on acting like an expert on things, it might help to actually be an expert.



*raised eyebrow*

Really.

By all means, then, make an argument.

Please show your evidence as well. Link to articles, show card art, flavour text, and all those good things.

Let me make the argument very simple for you.
1) NDE shows a dead eldrazi.
2) The NDE dead eldrazi resembles Emrakul.
3) There are no other eldrazi we are aware of that resemble the NDE dead eldrazi.
4) Therefore the NDE dead eldrazi is Emrakul.

You tried to challenge point three, and suggest that the other eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage might be the NDE dead eldrazi. However, as I pointed out above, we have lots of images of other eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage. None of them look like the NDE dead eldrazi.

Show me a non-Emrakul eldrazi that looks like the NDE dead eldrazi.

Do that, and I will grant that the NDE dead eldrazi might not be Emrakul.

Just do that one thing.

One little picture.

Surely it's not too much to ask?
I'm just having a hard time seeing how the Eldrazi corpse(s) on NDE look so much like Emmy to you. From the way I see it, it's just a rather big amount of lesser Eldrazi corpses, pilled all around Gideon.

Here you can find the art of NDE is a very big version.The way I see it, there are maybe two lesser Eldrazi (maybe more, I'm counting clear heads) in fron of Gideon, and two rather big mushroom like things behind him. One is clearly to his left, but the other one is further on the left, after the most clear one. Almost in the end of the art, in the lower left corner. Emmy is huge, and even though you make the argument of perspective, it's very unlikely that two beings would be as big as it, because these two seem to be on the same distance from Gideon.

The flavortext that you mentioned could very easily be translated to the defense of a major city from the attack of a horde of lesser Eldrazi. And since the art depicts many dead Eldrazi, this even makes more sense to me. And while we've seen lesser Eldrazi getting defeated in card art (also, heat ray), it seems reasonable that there are different kinds of lesser Eldrazi, some stronger than others. As a way to prove this, we don't even need to check Magic articles, only Eldrazi cards.

It that betrays is way stronger than, say, hand of emrakul, which is also way, way bigger than kozilek's predator, which is also bigger than nest invader. You mentioned three lesser Eldrazi in your previous post, all of them from the same brood (hand, invader and hatcher), and they are all very different and come in different sizes. I don't see why a bunch of rampaging different lesser Eldrazi wouldn't be a hard fight for a newwalker like Gideon, even though he's a seasoned fighter.

This is my opinion at least. I'm not a storyline expert, but I read Savor the Flavor every weak, and the logic I used here seems to make sense. I can't argue about storyline because I don't have access to the books in my country, but I do think that creating a whole new race of planar beings that are so misteryous and powerfull, just for getting them killed by the end of the block would have been a silly idea. This gets reinforced by the fact that they seem to be trying to gather the current villans of the multiverse, giving Magic villans more variety than just Bolas (Eldrazi, Phyrexians...).

It honestly just seems like you want Emmy to be dead, and then you are doing your best to prove it with the little information we have, even though logic goes the opposite way. Also, as Keeper said and you seemed to forget to address, it took three oldwalkers to trap--not destroy, trap--the Eldrazi before. Gideon would never be able to beat Emmy by himself.
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I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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57864098 wrote:
57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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OH MY GOD
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
57817638 wrote:
57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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57309598 wrote:
I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
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But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
57927608 wrote:
to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
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Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
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Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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94618431 wrote:
I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
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[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
Indeed. One of the storyline articles said that the three were unable to destroy the Eldrazi, so trapping them was the best shot they had. I hardly think Gideon would be chilling out after the death of Emrakul without being backed by an army of neowalkers.
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Personally, from a story point of view, I like the idea that someone posted earlier of Gideon retreating to Ravnica to find Jace and other walkers. This could make for a very intense "War for Zenikar" block in the future just like Scars of Mirrodin. In fact, they could bring back Bolas in that set as he tries to implement his plans for controling the Eldrazi

Show me a non-Emrakul eldrazi that looks like the NDE dead eldrazi.

Do that, and I will grant that the NDE dead eldrazi might not be Emrakul.

Just do that one thing.

One little picture.

Surely it's not too much to ask?



The Eldrazi don't adhere to the shapes and sizes that we see on the cards. They can come in all shapes, and all sizes, while retaining a relatively similar look to the progenitor that they came from. Is it really possible to believe that the creatures we see on the cards are the only Eldrazi that actually exist? 

P.S. one little picture of an Eldrazi that looks like Emrakul but isn't? Take a look at Hedron Matrix

P.P.S actually read the end of The Battle of Fort Keff, it pretty clearly says that Gideon watches Emrakul drift lazely across the horizon, and then planeswalks away to find help. 

"From the top of the wall, Gideon waited until the last of the survivors were out of sight. For an instant, he watched it drift lazily across the horizon—obliterating everything in its wake. It mercilessly rendered all life to grit and dust. There seemed to be no purpose behind its actions. It was relentless, mindless, and seemingly unstoppable. 
Gideon knew it would take many of his kind to thwart this menace. He'd heard of an organization that operated between planes. An
organization of planeswalkers. He would travel to Ravnica and find them. Hopefully there would be something left of Zendikar when they got back.
Gideon whispered a vow to return and planeswalked away.
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irandrura, i have no idea where u get these crazy ideas from. i like them but thing is, they're not canon. gideon did freak and planeswalk away. also, i read that as emrakul was approaching fort keff, he knew he had no chance of victory so dissapeared to ravnica instead. also, eldrazi r of all shapes and sizes. not all r depicted via cards. if they did, i think they'd be spilling ovr with the amount of cardboard which wld be required to print at least one version of all of them. gideon must've won against the lesser to moderate eldrazi some of which r rather large as well
by victory as well, it must mean that it's a minor victory. not a overall one but a victory at a location against an army of some of the eldrazi. also by the looks of it, some of the dead eldrazi look like they're from ulamog's lineage as well.
and tho the end of zendikar is left ambiguous, i'm very certain that emrakul is still alive and that if the original planeswalkers before the mending were unable to kick his arse but instead tie him down, i highly doubt these neowalkers r able to tie him down let alone kick his arse 
You tried to challenge point three, and suggest that the other eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage might be the NDE dead eldrazi. However, as I pointed out above, we have lots of images of other eldrazi of Emrakul's lineage. None of them look like the NDE dead eldrazi.

Show me a non-Emrakul eldrazi that looks like the NDE dead eldrazi.

Do that, and I will grant that the NDE dead eldrazi might not be Emrakul.

Just do that one thing.

One little picture.

Surely it's not too much to ask?





Do i get a cake?


* You only see the spongey material of the Eldarzi, you don't even see any identifiable parts. No hands, no top, nothing. Since most Emrakul lineage contain pongey material, this could be any one of them.

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Also please stop demanding that Keeper cite sources when you don't cite any yourself. And no, Flavor text isn't a legitament source, espcially when it's very vauge and was probaly written for the card before the art was commissioned. (Yes, i imagine the flavor text for NDE had nothing to do with Gideon or the Eldrazi)
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That's actually an interesting theory about the flavor text. I thought they did flavor text after both art and mechanics were semi-finalized.
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That's actually an interesting theory about the flavor text. I thought they did flavor text after both art and mechanics were semi-finalized.



Well, let's examine the flavor text:



Lands ravaged, cities in ruins, so many lives sacrificed, and yet there was no other word for it but victory.

This is so wonderfully vauge that it could easily fit into any core set. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with Zendikar considering that Zendikar is mostly un-civilized wilderness.

It's just like, someone saw the art, saw the flavor of the card, and wrote the flavor text without knowing what the hell was going on.

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Anyway, this discussion is pointless, we have the canon article which expains the card, and Gideon's role in the storyline, and they aren't going to kill the Eldrazi off screen without telling us.

But the final nail in the coffin is Gideon's planeswalker profile which just says:

After some soul-searching, Gideon decided to follow Chandra to Zendikar, believing he could help her stay alive on the treacherous, unpredictable plane. By the time he arrived there, however, he found Chandra gone and Zendikar under siege. The ancient Eldrazi have been released from their imprisonment, and Gideon must do what he can to protect Zendikar’s denizens—and himself



The Eldrazi story arch is just that, an arch. It began in Zendikar and it will continue onwards. Zendikar was a cliffhanger. The book was the cliffhanger.

… and then, the squirrels came.
No, Gideon did not defeat Emrakul.  He took one look at Emrakul and instantly decided that a strategic retreat was an order.

Does this mean that he couldn't defeat it in the future with help by his side? I'm certain that while the art depicted on Near-Death Experience does not in fact show him standing over Emrakul in triumph, it might be foreshadowing for a future victory over the Eldritch horror.
Ah, and there's Stoic Champion, bringing up the far rear guard.


@Skibo:

You know, I never really noticed before, but yeah, the "cities" thing does stand out as being particularly odd. Huh.
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Well, let's examine the flavor text:



Lands ravaged, cities in ruins, so many lives sacrificed, and yet there was no other word for it but victory.

This is so wonderfully vauge that it could easily fit into any core set. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with Zendikar considering that Zendikar is mostly un-civilized wilderness.

It's just like, someone saw the art, saw the flavor of the card, and wrote the flavor text without knowing what the hell was going on.






Taken from: www.wizards.com/Magic/Multiverse/planes....

For the sentient creatures of Zendikar, The Roil is simply a natural phenomenon—the way things are. To planeswalkers, it's obvious that this volatility is what keeps the plane dangerous and wild, free of large cities, sophisticated commerce, and other trappings of well-developed civilization. Zendikar is untamed ... and perhaps untamable.




I'll admit this is teetering on the edge of being a nitpick, but from just this snippet of description, I can infer that while Zendikar might not have "large cities", it is not devoid of cities in and of itself.

I agree with you that the flavor text is fairly vague and could work for a Core set card, however, I think it to be a bit malicious to characterize it as being the product of carelessness or ignorance.

Zendikar has been described as a wild and untamed plane, but this doesn't mean the area does not have communities of people that call Zendikar home and would be devastated by the Eldrazi's corporeal presence.
Zendikar has been described as a wild and untamed plane, but this doesn't mean the area does not have communities of people that call Zendikar home and would be devastated by the Eldrazi's corporeal presence.



The flavor text doesn't say "communities" it says "cities" which is something Zendikar doesn't have.

I'm not trying to be mean, alot of flavor texts get things wrong... take the Golem flavor texts from Mirrodin that say Millenia instead of centuries.

My point is, this flavor text seems like it wasn't put in to tell a specific story, but instead of convey a feeling. The idea is "I survived when all hope is lost". I don't think it was created to mean "Gideon defeated the Eldrazi." Which is what was implied elswhere.

I think it to be a bit malicious to characterize it as being the product of carelessness or ignorance.



There's nothing wrong with writing a flavor text to a card based on the card's flavor. There are dozens of great peices of flavor text that have no grounding in the setting they are showcased in. I rather like Near death experience, i think having the flavor text it does now is good, and i wouldn't change it if i was given the option. The fact that it's a bit inacurate isn't a problem, the problem is seeing it and thinking it's telling a story when it's not.

… and then, the squirrels came.
Zendikar has been described as a wild and untamed plane, but this doesn't mean the area does not have communities of people that call Zendikar home and would be devastated by the Eldrazi's corporeal presence.



The flavor text doesn't say "communities" it says "cities" which is something Zendikar doesn't have.

I'm not trying to be mean, alot of flavor texts get things wrong... take the Golem flavor texts from Mirrodin that say Millenia instead of centuries.

My point is, this flavor text seems like it wasn't put in to tell a specific story, but instead of convey a feeling. The idea is "I survived when all hope is lost". I don't think it was created to mean "Gideon defeated the Eldrazi." Which is what was implied elswhere.

I think it to be a bit malicious to characterize it as being the product of carelessness or ignorance.



There's nothing wrong with writing a flavor text to a card based on the card's flavor. There are dozens of great peices of flavor text that have no grounding in the setting they are showcased in. I rather like Near death experience, i think having the flavor text it does now is good, and i wouldn't change it if i was given the option. The fact that it's a bit inacurate isn't a problem, the problem is seeing it and thinking it's telling a story when it's not.




The broad definition of a city is a permanent settlement. A permanent settlement is comprised of "communities" of people.

The thing is, the flavor is telling a story. An individual could interpret that flavor text more than a dozen ways. It could be alluding to past atrocities that were commited by the Eldrazi, and the sacrifice that the three planeswalkers made to trap them and achieve "victory".  It could allude to any victory in any fight against the brood lineage, no matter how small.  As I guessed earlier, it could be foreshadowing for a future victory against the entire race of Eldrazi.

It might not be telling the story you want to hear, but it is telling a story.

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