Chaotic-Good Pirate?

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How does one go about being a chaotic good pirate? Seriously, I mean, if you're not out pillaging and sinking ships, drinking ale, and "engaging in" lusty barwenches, how are you to call yourself a pirate? Seriously?

The only way I can think of is if there were some Lawful Evil government which is highly reliant on seafaring trade. And honestly, how often does that (plausibly) happen?
Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.

As far as being a Good pirate, you only pillage/sink ships that are being hostile to innocent coastal towns.  Act as an unauthorized protectors of the citizenry.

Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.
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How does one go about being a chaotic good pirate? Seriously, I mean, if you're not out pillaging and sinking ships, drinking ale, and "engaging in" lusty barwenches, how are you to call yourself a pirate? Seriously?

The only way I can think of is if there were some Lawful Evil government which is highly reliant on seafaring trade. And honestly, how often does that (plausibly) happen?




There was a real world practice that legitimized piracy. Normally, any Captain and crew caught in the act and convicted of engaging in piracy was put to death, regardless of the nationality of the pirate or the ship that captured them.

A nation would sometimes issue a Captain a Letter of Marque. this would allow the Captain to board and plunder the vessels of the nation's rivals without consequence if they were captured by agents of the issuing nation, provided the pirate never again preyed upon ships of the issuing nation. These pirates were known to the issuing nation as privateers (of course, the nations upon whom the pirates still preyed still consiered them pirates).

Francis Drake is one of the best known privateers. Commissioned by the Queen Elizabeth the First of England harry Spanish ships and ports. For his successes, and the great deal of Spanish gold with which he filled the coffers of England, Drake was knighted and made second in command of the British fleet.

This would be an example of a possibly Unaligned or Good pirate.
Or even lawful good, since he was working for the rightful authority of his nation.
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Ragnar Daneskjold from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" would be an example of a Chaotic Good pirate. He sinks only government ships loaded with goods looted from the citizenry being sent to other looter nations. But he respects life and makes sure everyone is off the target ship before he sinks it.
At the beginning of World War I, the captains of German u-boats (subs) often surfaced before attacking unarmed British cargo ships.  This allowed the sailors to abandon ship before it was torpedoed.  As the war progressed, they ended this, but I see those first captains as good.  They were fighting to help their country win a war, yet they were still honorable and did not kill needlessly. 
Basically, as many others have given examples of, a pirate who does not kill those he can spare not to. Assuming he is not attacking a ship carrying food to starving orphans. But this does raise the question of whether you could call people like Drake good? He was a privateer who had no quables about sinking enemy ships and murdering entire crews. Does him doing it "for queen and country" make him Good?
Basically, as many others have given examples of, a pirate who does not kill those he can spare not to. Assuming he is not attacking a ship carrying food to starving orphans. But this does raise the question of whether you could call people like Drake good? He was a privateer who had no quables about sinking enemy ships and murdering entire crews. Does him doing it "for queen and country" make him Good?



I'd say more lawful than good.
Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.
Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.



Since when do these not exist? Also, being a promiscuous drunk is totally relevant to alignment.
Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.
Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.



Since when do these not exist? Also, being a promiscuous drunk is totally relevant to alignment.



Since 4th Edition.
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How to be an [alignment] pirate in three easy steps:

1) Get a boat.
2) Act like a [alignment] adventurer while on said boat.
3) Stick it to at least one government or similar authority until branded an outlaw by said authority.

Congratulations!  You are an [alignment] pirate!
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The only way I can think of is if there were some Lawful Evil government which is highly reliant on seafaring trade. And honestly, how often does that (plausibly) happen?



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The only way I can think of is if there were some Lawful Evil government which is highly reliant on seafaring trade. And honestly, how often does that (plausibly) happen?



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_tra...



Mallsteen wins the thread.  Dedicate yourself to disrupting slave traders, opium suppliers, any industry that's reasonably described as evil and oppressive, even if it's sanctioned by whatever portion of world governments.

As to 4e alignments... I'm really not sure what the motivation was for the change besides making alignment easier for 12 year olds to understand.  Since 4e alignment has no actual effect on play, the pre-4e alignment system everyone's used to is much more complete and descriptive, so whether or not you actually write "chaotic good" on your character sheet (which again, wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on your game.  Heck, steal an alignment from Kobolds Ate My Baby and say your character is Awful Hungry, it won't matter), the concept is perfectly reasonable to use if you're, say, on a forum looking for RP concepts that fit with your character idea.

edit: inb4 someone mentions Cavaliers.  That's a random holdover from 3e that some market researcher told the Dev team would bring in a few more 3e players, and it sticks out oddly from the rest of the 4e system.  Yes, it exists, but I feel like most home tables would house rule it if it mattered.  And again, 4e Paladins don't have a code of behavior, so you could write Lawful Good on your Cavalier of Sacrifice's sheet and then interpret that pretty much however your want, even in LFR/Encounters, since there's no RAW for forcible alignment changes and no system for losing the class features no matter what you do. 
Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.
Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.



Since when do these not exist? Also, being a promiscuous drunk is totally relevant to alignment.



Since 4th Edition.


I knew there was a reason my group still plays 3.5, but oh well, they will be mourned.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback, I had forgotten a few things and simply didn't consider others, you've all been a great help. <3
Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.
Drinking ale and having sex are irrelevant to alignment.



Since when do these not exist? Also, being a promiscuous drunk is totally relevant to alignment.



Since 4th Edition.


I knew there was a reason my group still plays 3.5, but oh well, they will be mourned.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback, I had forgotten a few things and simply didn't consider others, you've all been a great help. <3



Write "Chaotic Good" on your character sheet if you really want to. Alignment doesn't have any real mechanical impact, so it doesn't matter if you do so.
interesting side note, chaotic good is the idea of giving everyone freedom, right?

!7th and 18th century priacy was the direct result of people fighting against the political tyranny of the day. Sailors had few options, they could work for pennies in the british navy and face the lash, they could work for pennies and starve if they worked for an independent ship, or they could work themselves in a factory and die in a machine...and starve for pennies. The majority of actual pirates were people who commandeered a ship and basically did what they wanted to do. The "captain" was a position that was voted on by consesus of all the crew memebers, usually lasting a few months. If a memeber commited a crime against another shipmate he was tried and judged by his peers. Essentially it was the first deomcratic institution in the post renaissance world. These pirates fought for their freedoms, and in order to maintain that they would prey on shipping and stay away from naval patrols. You could still be good if you were a member of the crew, since they rarely just killed the people they robbed (its called the law of the sea, you dont screw with people if you ever want to be rescued yourself). Most of the time if they had a good haul they would float around and booze and gamble until they ran out of cash, or they would establish small forts in out of way places like madagascar....where they would booze and gamble. The exception to this were American pirates from new england, who helped to start the whole thing, because they would have locals buy stock in their "venture" then sail to the indian ocean and rob some Sultans treasure ship. 
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Neither Chaotic Good nor Lawful Evil exist, so the specific question is moot.

Only to people who can't rap their mind around simple concepts.

People can use the alignments they want. It is not some jerk's job to tell people on the internet what they can and cannot use. You should answer him to the best of your limited abilities.

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The OP should have asked on the Paizo boards. They are respectful and ain't WotC apologists.



shoo, go away, why are you even here? I actually like this stuff, hence why i like to post nice things.  
Or he should have asked on the Previous Edition forums, since he's playing a previous edition.

Just sayin'.
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Or he should have asked on the Previous Edition forums, since he's playing a previous edition.

Just sayin'.



Or he is using this edition but likes the old alignments. People should help him instead of saying he is stupid. No wonder these boards are deserted.



You mean, exactly like I and at least one other person did?

Here's exactly what I wrote about alignment: "As to 4e alignments... I'm really not sure what the motivation was for the change besides making alignment easier for 12 year olds to understand.  Since 4e alignment has no actual effect on play, the pre-4e alignment system everyone's used to is much more complete and descriptive, whether or not you actually write "chaotic good" on your character sheet (which again, wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on your game.  Heck, steal an alignment from Kobolds Ate My Baby and say your character is Awful Hungry, it won't matter), the concept is perfectly reasonable to use if you're, say, on a forum looking for RP concepts that fit with your character idea."

Look at that! Advice about the efficacy of incorporating old alignment systems into 4e, reinforcement that this was a good place to ask this question, and, in conjunction with all the people who, rather than complain about different alignment systems, gave him five or six good ways to go about roleplaying the choice he was interested in.

One or two people whined.  Five or six people helped.  It's not worth getting upset about, and claiming that all of us jumped down his throat and acting like this is a community-wide problem is completely disingenuous; I'm not sure if you read the whole thread and ignored the parts you liked, or if you read Salla's post, responded immediately, and decided to start an argument about it irrespective of what else was going on, but either way it's not really helpful.  That said, I'll restate that I agree with you that there's absolutely nothing wrong with this question since it's about developing RP motivations, and the 3e alignment system is a perfectly good shorthand to describe those motivations, whether or not he or anyone else is actually using it, since we all understand how it works. 
Or he should have asked on the Previous Edition forums, since he's playing a previous edition.

Just sayin'.



Or he is using this edition but likes the old alignments. People should help him instead of saying he is stupid. No wonder these boards are deserted.



You mean, exactly like I and at least one other person did?

Here's exactly what I wrote about alignment: "As to 4e alignments... I'm really not sure what the motivation was for the change besides making alignment easier for 12 year olds to understand.  Since 4e alignment has no actual effect on play, the pre-4e alignment system everyone's used to is much more complete and descriptive, whether or not you actually write "chaotic good" on your character sheet (which again, wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on your game.  Heck, steal an alignment from Kobolds Ate My Baby and say your character is Awful Hungry, it won't matter), the concept is perfectly reasonable to use if you're, say, on a forum looking for RP concepts that fit with your character idea."

Look at that! Advice about the efficacy of incorporating old alignment systems into 4e, reinforcement that this was a good place to ask this question, and, in conjunction with all the people who, rather than complain about different alignment systems, gave him five or six good ways to go about roleplaying the choice he was interested in.

One or two people whined.  Five or six people helped.  It's not worth getting upset about, and claiming that all of us jumped down his throat and acting like this is a community-wide problem is completely disingenuous; I'm not sure if you read the whole thread and ignored the parts you liked, or if you read Salla's post, responded immediately, and decided to start an argument about it irrespective of what else was going on, but either way it's not really helpful.  That said, I'll restate that I agree with you that there's absolutely nothing wrong with this question since it's about developing RP motivations, and the 3e alignment system is a perfectly good shorthand to describe those motivations, whether or not he or anyone else is actually using it, since we all understand how it works. 



Plus its about pirates, anything about pirates is worth mentioning!
Does anyone seriously look at the alignment listed on their character sheet before they decide how to act?

I'm pretty sure none of my players even remember what they picked during character creation. "Alignment" is completely irrelevant, make your character whatever you want it to be.
I always look at alignment as the players stated intention of how they want to play their character.  I wouldn't stop them from doing something that would conflict with their alignment but I would let them know that what they are doing might not be lawful or good or whatever.

 
Does anyone seriously look at the alignment listed on their character sheet before they decide how to act?


Not literally, but I'll consider it.  Chaotic-Good, for example, is a short-hand reference point.  When I created my character I doubtless looked at the alignment system (the real two-axis one) and pondered which designation fit the character in my mind best.  Because personality is a lot more nuanced than a two-axis grid, I'd then have a notion of exactly how the character differs from the precise description of Chaotic-Good in my head.  This gives me a quick frame of reference for the specific tone I'm trying to strike with the character's personality without having to rebuild the character's entire psyche in my head every time I make an in-character decision.  'Chaotic-Good' gets me in the right neighborhood quickly and the fine details ('short-tempered', 'has a chivalrous streak', etc) help me home in on the character from that starting point.
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Does anyone seriously look at the alignment listed on their character sheet before they decide how to act?



Yes.  I've gamed with many of them.  Players who think saying his character is an (alignment) (race) (class) is a suitable answer to 'What's your character's personality like?'

Drives me up the bloody wall, it does.
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back to the topic at hand.....

two words...

Han Solo...

mostly.....ok, well, only after he falls for Lea, kinda....
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The mobile nature of pirates means that it's much easier for them to operate out of the reach of established government (since they're much harder to track down and arrest, especially when they can go resupply at other ports).  It's easier to break the law and get away with it, so while you could be an ordinary criminal, you could also be a revolutionary.  Strike at oppressors and tyrants everywhere, thwarting their schemes, stealing their profits, breaking their supply lines and freeing their slaves.  Abduct the children of their leaders and  before you return them, take them on a tour to show them the world that their parents created.  Break the weapons of your foes and their ability to wage war, but let them live to tell the tale.  As word of your struggles is carried on the wind, kindling a flame of hope in the hearts of the downtrodden.  Your continued existence stands in defiance to the established rule of the world, proof that the tyrants are not all-powerful and can be opposed.  Your flag will serve as symbol, inspiring fear in the hearts of tyrants and hope in the hearts of slaves whenever it appears over the horizon.  Perhaps the government will be replaced with a more just one, or perhaps it will be abolished all together, but you stand at the heart of a storm of change whose winds will swallow the world.
Does Westley as The Dread Pirate Roberts from The Princess Bride count? He is a pirate but he doesn't needlessly kill Inigo or Fezzik so he's not evil. And he obviously doesn't care about laws 'cause he's a freakin' pirate! So Chaotic Good, right? 

Nobody I game with cares about alignments except as a personal morality guide. It can help with some decisions but mostly it's not very prominent in play. I once had a sorcerer who was "Lawful Awesome" and nobody made me change it when they noticed.
 
I think a character who is doing engaging in piracy to fund a noble cause (restoring the kind and rightful king, preventing the rise of an Elder Evil) would be CG so long as he made sure those he stole from could afford it.
Or he should have asked on the Previous Edition forums, since he's playing a previous edition.

Just sayin'.



Or he is using this edition but likes the old alignments. People should help him instead of saying he is stupid. No wonder these boards are deserted.


Except nobody called anybody stupid. Well, except for you. Fancy that...

Anyway, regarding the OP's query, be Jack Sparrow, but more altruistic.

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Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
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we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
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HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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Does Westley as The Dread Pirate Roberts from The Princess Bride count? He is a pirate but he doesn't needlessly kill Inigo or Fezzik so he's not evil. And he obviously doesn't care about laws 'cause he's a freakin' pirate! So Chaotic Good, right?



It's implied that he spends some time at sea after his disappearance, amassing a fortune in the guise of the Dread Pirate Roberts.  That, we are told, involves taking ships at sea and leaving no survivors.  It's safe to assume that he's killed a lot of people by the time he rescues Buttercup.  He even says, "I kill a lot of people."
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