03/23/2011 StF: "A World Sculpted from Metal"

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Ok I really wish I had seen a high res of Precursor Golem before now I did not realize how bad-ass they looked.

Since Magic brought back the old evil of Phyrexia I decided to read the Artifacts Cycle and catch everything from the beginning. In doing so I came across a line in Planeswalker that was said by Urza that seems interesting: "...All created worlds fail..."
Does this mean that Mirrodin is doomed with or without Phyrexian influence?
Or does the presence of Karn keep the plane going much like Yawgmoth and Serra kept their respective planes functioning?
Since Magic brought back the old evil of Phyrexia I decided to read the Artifacts Cycle and catch everything from the beginning. In doing so I came across a line in Planeswalker that was said by Urza that seems interesting: "...All created worlds fail..."
Does this mean that Mirrodin is doomed with or without Phyrexian influence?
Or does the presence of Karn keep the plane going much like Yawgmoth and Serra kept their respective planes functioning?

I just read those books too.   I know your question is probably hypothetical, and unfortunately is mostly unanswerable because we have no idea if the creative team will pay any attention to their own mythology.  Especially mythology in the books, which is essentially non-canon.  But I would sure love it if they did! 

but there also exist a smattering of autonomous processes that can generate them without conscious input. Artifact creatures are generated by self-sufficient foundries left over from Memnarch's time,



How can a mindless forge change what it is designed to do in order to better meet the demands of a changing environment? The process you're describing here sounds like automobile assembly lines changing their own functions to produce hybrid vehicles with which to meet new consumer demands by pure chance. Unless there is some feedback mechanism -- whether it's conscious intervention in the assembly process, or the passage of successful traits through selective reproduction -- the whole thing makes no sense.
Since Magic brought back the old evil of Phyrexia I decided to read the Artifacts Cycle and catch everything from the beginning. In doing so I came across a line in Planeswalker that was said by Urza that seems interesting: "...All created worlds fail..."
Does this mean that Mirrodin is doomed with or without Phyrexian influence?
Or does the presence of Karn keep the plane going much like Yawgmoth and Serra kept their respective planes functioning?



I think Mirrodin is suppose to be an exception to the rule, Karn stated the he created a "mathematically" perfect plane. So I think it would be immune the entophy that plagues other fake planes like Serra's realm
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The Story of My Love
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BURSTING WITH VIGOR!
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but there also exist a smattering of autonomous processes that can generate them without conscious input. Artifact creatures are generated by self-sufficient foundries left over from Memnarch's time,



How can a mindless forge change what it is designed to do in order to better meet the demands of a changing environment? The process you're describing here sounds like automobile assembly lines changing their own functions to produce hybrid vehicles with which to meet new consumer demands by pure chance. Unless there is some feedback mechanism -- whether it's conscious intervention in the assembly process, or the passage of successful traits through selective reproduction -- the whole thing makes no sense.



...it's magic.
Since Magic brought back the old evil of Phyrexia I decided to read the Artifacts Cycle and catch everything from the beginning. In doing so I came across a line in Planeswalker that was said by Urza that seems interesting: "...All created worlds fail..."
Does this mean that Mirrodin is doomed with or without Phyrexian influence?
Or does the presence of Karn keep the plane going much like Yawgmoth and Serra kept their respective planes functioning?



I think Mirrodin is suppose to be an exception to the rule, Karn stated the he created a "mathematically" perfect plane. So I think it would be immune the entophy that plagues other fake planes like Serra's realm

Ah..but there are some problems. Outside influences (all the races on mirrodin brought in by Memnarch) would thus render it un-perfect. Also there is the issue of change in the "Spark". Walkers are no longer the ultimate beings that they used to be. What does this mean for the created planes? All just random Vorthos thoughts
...it's magic.



There's a reason that Doug answers a letter from his inbox at the end of each column. People want to know about the processes going on in the game beyond a evasive responses like this. 

...it's magic.



There's a reason that Doug answers a letter from his inbox at the end of each column. People want to know about the processes going on in the game beyond a evasive responses like this.


Most of those letters point out ambiguities in the internal logic of the world of the game. "Things can't do that" is not a matter of the internal logic of anything, that's an assumption based on real world concepts that just don't apply.