03/02/2011 BoaB: "Night of the Knights"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
Today's deck can hardly be considered budget. Nearly half of the main deck (besides basic lands) costs over $5.
Forever attempting to break the metagame for under $30. God bless the mythic rarity.
5$ or more each - Hero of Bladehold, Mirran Crusader, Honor of the Pure, Student of Warfare, Leonin Arbiter x4 = over $100.

This deck may be budget compared to jace decks or decks with a bunch of fetchlands, but for a column that is supposed to be focused on cheap deck options it's a bit much.
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Most.
Boring.
Deck.
Ever.
Ive seen a few people in my area playing similar lists. I happen to prefer the one with Sun Titan as it really becomes a powerful late game bruiser that brings back almost all of your other creatures as well as journy to nowheres if you plan to run them.


I have a suggestion for next week:

With the current metagame of Caw-blade, Boros,  valakuts, ect...ect... it seems that each deck has atleast ten different ways to search up what they need (Squadron hawks, stoneforge, fetch lands, ect...ect...) It seems perfect for one of the most powerful Mill cards to see some Rogue play. Archive Trap is almost never a dead card against most decks currently. 

come friday i plan on running what i call: Crab-Blade
It is by no means a budget deck running multiple jaces, gideons, and stoneforges fetching up Body and minds to slap down on Hedron crabs, but i feel the sheer rogue factor of four main board archive traps is going to really screw with some people.

So JVL here is the challenge: Can you create a standard capable Mill deck?
Really? Twenty rares in a budget deck? JVL, please, leave BoaB. You are a good writer, but you have no idea whatsoever what a budget is. I swear that one day, we will see you putting two copies of Jace the Mind Sculptor and calling it "budget", because tournament decks play four...
I think this is a really nice deck and it is cheap the deack is at $128 (and a lot of those cards are not being used in the strongest decks of the format so a lot of cards are easy to trade) wich is realatively cheap, anyway i think it is not good idea to start any good with no cards, so some people whom asked JvL to make the deck probably have some of those cards.

If someone want and have the cards, the standard version can be better with tectonic edge and emeria the skyruin or Sun titan (as someone said before is awesome in late game)


I would love to see a deck with liege of the tangle n.n
What a horrible mess of cards. 20 Rares and 4 Mythic rares in a Boab deck? Absolutely no hints or pointers to BUDGET card swaps for those rare cards, not even an attempt to do so...


Hero of Bladehold: 5.99$ a piece = $23.96
Knight Exemplar : 4.99$ a piece =   $19.96
Mirran Crusader : 4.50$ a piece = $18.00
Student of Warfare : 4.75$ a piece = $19.00
Honor of the Pure : 1.40$ a piece = $5.60
Budget total: $86.52

That´s not bad for a budget deck. I can do better:
59 Islands
1 Jace, the mind sculptor = 80$ a piece.. saving 6 bucks..
 


No inspiration AT ALL.. it looks like it was written monday morning, just before deadline. slap all Knights you can find in a deck with Honor the pure and mindlessly play a game.

Where is the tech? where are the awesomesauce (super janky) common cards that help the deck? For example, use the Level-up knights with a blue splash for Venerated Teacher for example, or to make it more up to date: Proliferate to make your knights awesome!

Maybe a White/Red Knights deck to give it more reach? Really stop writing for Boab and do normal OMG, I HAXXOR you T2 win decks for high level tournament play..

Why does this person keeps writing these non-budget articles?:

Seems fair! I've always been a huge fan of cards like Figure of Destiny, Kargan Dragonlord, and Student of Warfare. These cards are always good, regardless of the game state. They're good in you opening hand and they're good on turn twenty. No matter the board state, it's always beneficial to draw them



Huge fan of 8$ cards, 12$ cards and 5$ cards I see.. gotta love Boab!
I never have argued against him yet because I prefer directing my scorn at the game itself instead of the player in regards to this topic.
So JVL here is the challenge: Can you create a standard capable Mill deck?



That sounds kind of cool actually.



Also:  Don't worry about what people are saying.  Aggro decks are cool.  Some kind of creature control in the deck would have been nice though.  But then again, other decks have been nothing but lands and creatures and they work, too.

Strange that he didn’t throw in day of judgement so he can play what I’ve been running into in the mtgo casual room for weeks


 


Turn 1 student


Turn 2 random WW or W1 knight


Turn 3 knight exemplar


Turn 4 day of judgment  


Hur hur (or worse 2nd knight exemplar followed by DoJ on turn 5)


I’ve seen so many great decks in this column and it’s one of my favourites to read, but eight 4off knights + 4 honour of the pure at a total that is far from most people’s view of budget makes me a sad panda

Just chiming in to agree that I don't think a deck costing well over $100 is suitable for a "Budget" column. Star City Games prices the deck at over $150.
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Not gonna go too much into the budget discussion, but rather offer an idea: break Raid Bombardment.  Make a B/R deck with Slavering Nulls, Pawn of Ulamog and Reassembling Skeleton.  Not Bloodghast, it'll run out of recursions too quickly.  Add in Quest for inner Flame, perhaps? Bombardment triggers for each instance of damage, before combat damage resolves, quick charge for the Quest.  That or the forgotten Chandra's Spitfire, also a cool option.  Lastly, add in Signal Pest and play with the trigger stacking.  Good idea, bad idea?
I am so sick of all the whiners!!! Seriously, this is a budget deck that does well. There are 200 to 300 decks that this can beat!! If you really think you can build competative decks that do better then JVL AND do it for less $$$, then make your own article. Or better yet post it here. If you want a deck you can buy for $20, then go up to the 5 year old at your local FNM. He will have just the deck you can go 0-4 with. JVL brings a new deck every week, and keeps them relitivly priced. That is a hard job. If you want casual jank, read the tuesday and thursday articles (Serious Fun and From the Lab). JVL took what could have been another casual article and instead made something different and always interesting to read. So instead of discussing "oh this is too expensive" how about discussing how to make it cheaper while retaining what makes the deck good.
Not gonna go too much into the budget discussion, but rather offer an idea: break Raid Bombardment.  Make a B/R deck with Slavering Nulls, Pawn of Ulamog and Reassembling Skeleton.  Not Bloodghast, it'll run out of recursions too quickly.  Add in Quest for inner Flame, perhaps? Bombardment triggers for each instance of damage, before combat damage resolves, quick charge for the Quest.  That or the forgotten Chandra's Spitfire, also a cool option.  Lastly, add in Signal Pest and play with the trigger stacking.  Good idea, bad idea?



Will lose to Kuldotha red (which is faster) and any deck designed to beat kuldotha red (because of the similarities)

If Kuldotha didn't exist it might be viable but doubtful because by the time raid bombardment turns on your attackers will be running into bigger creatures., will still be a fun casual deck though.

It always strikes me how simple well performing decks can be, but this is pushing it. 24 plains, 4 crusades, and a playset of each of the best knights and you're ready to hit Taco Bell? If it were insanely cheap I guess it would compensate for the lack of complexity, but as is this is already not that cheap.

Where's the tech? I can live with the playset-only structure, but no tricks? Caravan Escort is actually pretty bad; Brave the Elements is much better, and given the already advantageous combat interactions of knights a way around stalls is more useful than another body.

You can do better.
I agree with the "budget" being seemingly exceeded here.. but what is the predetermined "budget" supposed to be? The idea behind the whole budget thing, to me anyways, would be to be able to build a competitive (vs high end money decks) deck that won't break "most" players budgets (even if those budgets are dealt with in trades as mine mostly is). This deck definitely pushes the boundaries of "budget" builds.

My take on the deck however is fairly positive. I played a guy after our local Saturday tourney who was using a very similar deck. I went 1-1 against him with a White Weenie deck before he had to leave. The synergy worked pretty well for the most part.  

I do think the levelup creatures slow the deck down a lot though. Nine mana (?!) to create a 5/5 First Strike Caravan Escort just seems very inefficient. And what would be the point in putting any mana into leveling it if you can't max it out? I would hate to invest mana into leveling it and being forced to chump block with it to stay alive and waste the mana. Even Kemba's Skyguard would be a great improvement over that if you figure in efficiency. 

Signal Pest would bring it up to speed and give some pump. The Knight theme is fine but artifacts such as that wouldn't detract too much from it. Even Ornithopter would help with some early, cheap defense to speed things up as well. 


Man, you people whine so much.

In an evnironment where the average tourney-worthy deck costs between $400-$800, $100 is a budget deck.  Especially given that this isn't even an optimized build, which would run you a lot more than what this one costs.  People need to stop whining.  You can't build a tournament-worthy deck out of $0.10 commons.

I do agree that the creativity of this deck is lacking, though.  It's just a fairly standard list of 4-ofs of good knights, and one common that should probably be evasion or removal.

@El_Feed: You don't ever level up Caravan Escort to the 5/5 level.  You pay the 2 (either from his level up ability or by dropping an Honor) to make him a 2/2 on turn 2, and then leave him there.  Exemplar turn 3 makes him a 3/3.  There's no need to spend all that mana to make him into a 5/5, he's there to be a weenie, not a beater.


Man, you people whine so much.

In an evnironment where the average tourney-worthy deck costs between $400-$800, $100 is a budget deck.  Especially given that this isn't even an optimized build, which would run you a lot more than what this one costs.  People need to stop whining.  You can't build a tournament-worthy deck out of $0.10 commons.

I do agree that the creativity of this deck is lacking, though.  It's just a fairly standard list of 4-ofs of good knights, and one common that should probably be evasion or removal.

@El_Feed: You don't ever level up Caravan Escort to the 5/5 level.  You pay the 2 (either from his level up ability or by dropping an Honor) to make him a 2/2 on turn 2, and then leave him there.  Exemplar turn 3 makes him a 3/3.  There's no need to spend all that mana to make him into a 5/5, he's there to be a weenie, not a beater.




Ok NES wouldn't the 3 mana spent to make him a plain 2/2 be better spent elsewhere? I would think a 3cmc investment could easily be spent more wisely with something else.
I already answered that in the other part of my post.  Although I will say that it IS the only other 1-drop Knight in the format, and having 8 cards to play on turn 1 in a format where some decks can play their entire hands on that same turn is pretty important.  And given that that card can very easily be made into a 3/3 Indestructible dude, it doesn't seem so terrible a crime to put it in the deck.

And of course, it cut the $3 a playset of Brave the Elements would cost, so the whiners don't have ANOTHER thing to complain about.
I'm with Abyzz. Caravan Escort is just bad--Brave the Elements would be dramatically better in that spot without really costing anything in terms of $. 

I think this deck will handle the aggro hate a little bit better than Kuldotha red, since with an Honor out not much here dies to Pyroclasm, and if you run four Brave the Elements you can potentially counter a Pyroclasm or a Slagstorm anyway. Plus, with an Exemplar, you can ignore most of those anyway. Even Day isn't that bad if you get an Exemplar out.  

A Black Sun's Zenith, however, will still ruin your whole day.

A shame that Leonin Relic-Warder isn't a Knight. It should be! 
For me, Boab is giving players Budget OPTIONS. in this deck, there is NONE. not even a single mention of a swap, or change of tactics if you do not have access to card X. It is a very, very uninspiring bunch of cards that will make each player quit of boredom after playing more than once with it.

If the goal of Boab is to create a tournament viable deck, then please stop right there, as it is never going to happen while Wizards pushes power into rarity.

Here´s hoping for a better Boab next time Jacob!
I second the mill idea. There's a ton of mill in the core set for whatever reason, although I don't know how much Traumatize costs right now, plus Grindclock, which is begging for an awesome mill/proliferate deck.

Sword of Body and Mind, as well, but again, budget. 
For me, Boab is giving players Budget OPTIONS. in this deck, there is NONE. not even a single mention of a swap, or change of tactics if you do not have access to card X. It is a very, very uninspiring bunch of cards that will make each player quit of boredom after playing more than once with it.

If the goal of Boab is to create a tournament viable deck, then please stop right there, as it is never going to happen while Wizards pushes power into rarity.

Here´s hoping for a better Boab next time Jacob!



Right in the article, the author said he had recieved tons of requests to build a Knight deck.  the problem is, most of the good Knights are Rare or Mythic.  This is the most budget version of the Knight deck you can build without total chaff cards like the Skyguard or making the deck several colors and having to throw in "expensive" Fetchlands.

This is the most budget version of Knights I've ever seen.  I don't think you can reduce the cost any further without making it unplayable.

@ROBRAM89: Traumatize is NOT a good Mill card.  Each casting of the card gets progressivly worse and worse, and if you've already milled the opponent any (Which a mill deck should have done by turn freaking 5) it's just getting worse and worse.  It's certainly a budget card, but that's because it's unplayable even in Mill.

Mill decks should be about Archive Trap, Hedron Crab, Blue Sun's Zenith, and other efficient control spells.
I admit, I like the idea of a mill deck, however I think it might only be feasible with a lot of fetch lands, which are definitely not budget.  Maybe Terrapmorphic and Evloving Wilds would be good enough though. 

As usual, I think the budget is fine (seriously, why do people go to starcitygames for pricing?  Go to ebay then get back to me), but I did kind of think the deck is boring ... but I'm the wrong audience, I hate theme decks.
This is bad.

1.) Not budget. $100+ IS. NOT. BUDGET. Kuldotha Red is cheaper than this deck. I've built some Bleiweiss decks (that were good) for less than $20.
2.) I've seen this deck (or decks that have 90% of the same cards) before, this is not original material. I come to this column for tech, not stuff that I could have come up with in my first week of playing magic.

Please try harder. If you do not have the time or the desire, I am sure there are plenty of other players who would love to write some articles.
I think it is unfair to compare this column to Ben's as the price of a good standard deck has increased significantly since then.  That said, there is no way $100 should be considered budget.  I come to BoaB to see new fun decks that while competitive aren't going to set the standard world alight.

To be honest I thought this deck was pretty poor.  It was a simple deck to put together, there were only two match reports and no talk about substitutions.  I would prefer to see JvL take a cheap card from the new set (let's say $5 or less so 4 would be $20 and build a deck round it.  Perhaps JvL could be a voting option at the end of his next article so people could decide what rare to build around.
Its budget enough... And tourny worthy so thats a plus. But he forgot Brave the Elements! Such a good card... Even two in the deck will make your opponents worry and not want to tap out.
Grow old or die trying.
I'd also love to see a mill deck. Archive Trap, Hedron Crab, Keening Stone, Halimar Excavator, I love them all.
Well, maybe not Decimator Web. Or Shriekhorn.

I also think this deck doesn't really classify as budget. Compare this week to the one a few weeks back, Good Lux. This deck is close to $100 dollars, and kind of boring. The Good Lux deck was between $20-$30, and while it was janky as heck, it looked like lots of fun and had a similar win-loss ratio against common standard decks.
@El_Feed: You don't ever level up Caravan Escort to the 5/5 level.  You pay the 2 (either from his level up ability or by dropping an Honor) to make him a 2/2 on turn 2, and then leave him there.  Exemplar turn 3 makes him a 3/3.  There's no need to spend all that mana to make him into a 5/5, he's there to be a weenie, not a beater.



Ok NES wouldn't the 3 mana spent to make him a plain 2/2 be better spent elsewhere? I would think a 3cmc investment could easily be spent more wisely with something else.

Caravan Escort
The point is not the ultimate level, but that he is either a 1/1 on turn 1.  Or he is a 2/2.  He can play either role.

You don't have to overcommit, either, if you are concerned about a board wipe, but you don't have to sit on your weenie.  You have options.  Options makes him better than just a 1/1 for 1 and just a 2/2 for 3.  The fact that he can play either role means it is usable.

On the other hand, he isn't great.  Its just another body to throw into the red zone.   Personally, I agree with the Signal Pest comment.  The buff it gives your other guys is well worth the fact that it doesn't get the buffs from your "lords".
Caravan Escort
The point is not the ultimate level, but that he is either a 1/1 on turn 1.  Or he is a 2/2.  He can play either role.

You don't have to overcommit, either, if you are concerned about a board wipe, but you don't have to sit on your weenie.  You have options.  Options makes him better than just a 1/1 for 1 and just a 2/2 for 3.  The fact that he can play either role means it is usable.

On the other hand, he isn't great.  Its just another body to throw into the red zone.   Personally, I agree with the Signal Pest comment.  The buff it gives your other guys is well worth the fact that it doesn't get the buffs from your "lords".

You could replace "Caravan Escort" with any leveler card and the meaning would still be the same. Options are good, but only when those options are each viable, and only if the versatility doesn't come at the price of quality. Acidic Slime is insanely flexible, and yet it barely sees any sideboards - let alone mainboards - for that very reason. It's just too slow. Student is awesome, and Escort is the opposite, and it's not because the differ in versatility.

Regarding Signal Pest, I've played four matches with the deck now and based on how it seems to flow he doesn't fit in. Pest excels in swarm decks, and although knights want to stomp your opponent fast, it does so with few and efficient creatures. If three or more of your creatures are alive odds are you're doing well, and if not Pest is just sitting there. Disregarding budget, I'd much rather play Steppe Lynx and eight fetchlands (and that's included the awkwardness of Leonin Arbiter in the side).

Here's the list I'm working with:

Creatures
2  Caravan Escort
4  Student of Warfare
4  Accorder Paladin
4  White Knight
4  Leonin Skyhunter
4  Knight Exemplar
4  Mirran Crusader
4  Hero of Bladehold

Spells
3 Brave the Elements
4  Honor of the Pure

Lands
23  Plains

Sideboard
4  Kor Firewalker
4  Leonin Arbiter
4  Journey to Nowhere
3  Hammer of Ruin
Jacob-

There are three problems with this article (honestly, they're the same problems that crop up in most of your articles).

1. It's not really budget. You could put together Kuldotha Goblins, Elfdrazi, or a quest deck for less than this.

I realize that Magic is more expensive than it used to be, and it's not reasonable to expect a $30 deck to win games. At the same time, I don't see the point of producing "budget" lists that are both more expensive and lower quality than money-winning decks.

2. It's boring and derivative. Any of the above lists are more fun to play than a white weenie knight deck. Also, anyone who could run a Gatherer search could have written this article. Sometimes you manage a neat deck... but this is not your best effort.

3. It doesn't accomplish your purpose. If your goal is to build a list that competes with the big guns of standard, but has trouble with "blue decks" like Caw-Go or UBx control, then you haven't really built a competitive list.

If your goal is to build a deck that will be fun to play, and maybe win you some games in a FNM, then why are you giving us a deck that runs $100-150?



When you first took over the column, your articles had a lot more experimentation, different styles of play, and different layouts for your articles. Unfortunately, you seem to have settled into an established formula that keeps recycling the same basic material.

For example, this is your article from October 7th, 2009. It is essentially the same as today's article. It has the then-current white weenie tribe, some not-really-budget cards (the list would probably have been about $80 then, not counting the sideboard), and then four brief game reports (where the deck loses to the "big guns" of standard).

You have some solid playing credentials, and I've heard it through the tournament grapevine that you're a really nice guy. I hope you can figure out a way to shake things up - otherwise, it's probably time to move on.
guys i just went to cardbot on mtgo and it only ran 66 tics for the main deck. its still not budget but the problem is wizards. they design all the best creatures to be rare and mythic. there isnt budget friendly alternatives here. it isnt even like ww of old where all the good creatures were common/uncommon like in urzas-mirrodin block, where the rares were a few anthem/crusade effects and maybe a few other spells like glory, sword of fire ice. and the price of cards werent that high either. rares were typcially under 3 dollars, chasier ones were 8-10 and there werent mythics. its speculators fault for the price rise.
Maybe as a compromise to all sides they should just get rid of BoaB and replace it with a permanent weekly "Going Rogue" article about alternatives to the popular metagame.

This would solve a lot of issues players have with competitive decks, and give ideas (even if not fully complete) of budding decks to budding deckbuilders. That, and, wizards won't have to pretend it allows decks to be cheap and competitive anymore. Plus the whole "budget" idea won't have to be challenged week-in and week-out. That way people can decide for themselves if they have enough money to try competitive play or just stay casual, kitchen table players.
What a horrible mess of cards. 20 Rares and 4 Mythic rares in a Boab deck? Absolutely no hints or pointers to BUDGET card swaps for those rare cards, not even an attempt to do so...


Hero of Bladehold: 5.99$ a piece = $23.96
Knight Exemplar : 4.99$ a piece =   $19.96
Mirran Crusader : 4.50$ a piece = $18.00
Student of Warfare : 4.75$ a piece = $19.00
Honor of the Pure : 1.40$ a piece = $5.60
Budget total: $86.52

That´s not bad for a budget deck. I can do better:
59 Islands
1 Jace, the mind sculptor = 80$ a piece.. saving 6 bucks..
 


No inspiration AT ALL.. it looks like it was written monday morning, just before deadline. slap all Knights you can find in a deck with Honor the pure and mindlessly play a game.

Where is the tech? where are the awesomesauce (super janky) common cards that help the deck? For example, use the Level-up knights with a blue splash for Venerated Teacher for example, or to make it more up to date: Proliferate to make your knights awesome!

Maybe a White/Red Knights deck to give it more reach? Really stop writing for Boab and do normal OMG, I HAXXOR you T2 win decks for high level tournament play..

Why does this person keeps writing these non-budget articles?:

Seems fair! I've always been a huge fan of cards like Figure of Destiny, Kargan Dragonlord, and Student of Warfare. These cards are always good, regardless of the game state. They're good in you opening hand and they're good on turn twenty. No matter the board state, it's always beneficial to draw them



Huge fan of 8$ cards, 12$ cards and 5$ cards I see.. gotta love Boab!

No, dude. Huge fan of winning in competitive environments.

That's always what the problem is with Jacob's naysayers : you want originality and you want more commons/uncommons, but originality at the cost of metagaming and consistency and downgrading powerful rares to common/uncommons are not things that, in essence, help people win tournaments. JVL doesn't play in fields like the kitchen table or the MTGO casual room, nor does his target audience. The goal of his version of the column is to help you win in relively competitve, or even very competitive, environments on a relative budget. BoaB is still a valid name for this column, but I often say that, in contrast to the way the column was written by previous authors, it should be called "Winning on a Budget".

If you can't afford the decks Jacob builds, you can't afford to win in tournaments­. As simple as that. And if your goal is not to win in tournaments, you are not the target audience for this column. But this does not mean the name of the column is misplaced, because "budget" is a very relative ter,, and most of all, this does not mean the column sucks. It might suck for you, but if it doesn't for its real target audience, which is the people who want to win their tournaments consistently without spending the money for known optimal tier 1 decks, then it has a reason to exist the way he does it.

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If $100 is what a Budget deck costs, then WotC needs to seriously re-evaluate their policies.  At that price, they're going to price the Spikes right out of the game.  That's a serious problem for WotC, as that's the only psychographic for which "keep playing but don't buy new cards" isn't an option.

If you're going to sink $100+ into a deck, it'll only be for a deck that is a known commodity.  Rogue decks have to be either inexpensive or serious metagame predators to be worth the money.
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These decks are terribly disappointing. Not only are they a bit pricey (really you should tell us what your definition of "budget" is, Jacob/Wizards), but they are not even particularly competitive. They're all creatures, aside from Honor of the Pure in the first and O-Ring in the second! Come on! You can put more effort into this. How about some Day of Judgement and maybe something to protect your Exemplars, namely Brave the Elements and Emerge Unscathed. I realize you're trying to market the new Mirrodin cards, but these decks are just silly. Who runs 4 Journey in the sideboard?
If $100 is what a Budget deck costs, then WotC needs to seriously re-evaluate their policies.


This.

The idea of a triple-digit-priced budget deck might be a strike agains the column but it's way more of a strike against the game's capacity to be played properly by most of its customer base. 
If you're going to sink $100+ into a deck, it'll only be for a deck that is a known commodity.  Rogue decks have to be either inexpensive or serious metagame predators to be worth the money.

I strongly disagree with this statement : I sink more than 100$ into nearly every deck I build, most of those being rogue, and I don't feel like my money is wasted if said rogue decks don't work. The thing is the expensive parts of my rogue decks are known commodities that are played in "real" decks and that I can put in various builds over time.
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About the deck: isn't it worthy to spend some slots on Tectonic Edge? It can slow down control decks or ramp decks for a few precious turns in order to win. I understand the no-removals concept, but adding some disruption looks necessary and not that painful if it comes as a land slot and the deck is monocolored. Student of Warfare looks as the most color intensive cards but with both sweepers and Jace bounce present I doubt I would ever be interested in leveling it beyond 1 unless I'm already in topdeck mode.

To be honest, I never considered this deck expensive until I saw the prices of some cards. Student of Warfare and Knight Exemplar at 5??!! Hero of Bladehold at 7?? Who the hell pays that much for cards that have never done anything relevant in constructed formats? I still think this is an easy deck to build since the cards are easy to trade, but have to concede that it isn't that budget.

Maybe as a compromise to all sides they should just get rid of BoaB and replace it with a permanent weekly "Going Rogue" article about alternatives to the popular metagame.

This would solve a lot of issues players have with competitive decks, and give ideas (even if not fully complete) of budding decks to budding deckbuilders. That, and, wizards won't have to pretend it allows decks to be cheap and competitive anymore. Plus the whole "budget" idea won't have to be challenged week-in and week-out. That way people can decide for themselves if they have enough money to try competitive play or just stay casual, kitchen table players.



I agree completely. I like this column because I can always count on JVL trying something new and not netdecked each week with a serious interest on being competitive. I would keep this column rather than hiring a new writer using the old JMS - Ben Bleiweiss style: building a Quest for Ula's temple deck and call it a success because it managed to find a person  in the casual room with a Selective memorydeck to win against. Or keep both if possible, so people with their zealous hatred for winning can go away to whine on another thread.
If Limited gets in the way of printing good Constructed cards... Screw limited
I think that lightmine field would be fun in the deck with the knight exemplar.   Just a thought.
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