Lackluster article considering the topic. Not much to say really, no real insight here. * Then again he's been busy.
There WAS something new in this article: MaRo hates Hornet Sting so much he never even finished reading its last two words (or was that known already)But with green getting anti-flyer and tracker, it's just not that out of place. Only Blue shouldn't get direct damage of any kind. If "not destroying creatures outside of combat" was really core of green's pie, it shouldn't get Leaf Arrow either, but only cards like Crosswinds and reach. Tracker is cool, that's direct combat. As it stands now, Hornet Sting is not only very resonant but also not that much a violation of the pie
Back then, I have suggested that WotC should have reprinted Chain Lightning instead. It's a sorcery and has a drawback = perfect!!!
temparus: I agree that Holy Discard would've been an awful card. But some people are actually playing Hornet Sting. It's a pretty viable sideboard option for some decks; and it's something that a green deck really, really wants to be able to do. That's not awful at all; it gives green decks more deckbuilding options: "do you take Hornet Sting, or do you splash red for better direct damage?" It's an interesting question for players of a certain level; and Hornet Sting is a flavorful card with cool art that is a lot of fun.I would have loved a card that made it possible for a monored deck to kill circle of protections back in the day. It was something that those decks really wanted to be able to do; and if we had to make do with underpowered cards it would've conveyed a much stronger message about what red is bad at, than us just thinking that we for some reason never got to open any of the cards that would allow us to do what we wanted.
I'll have to agree, this was a disapointing article.On a side note:
3. Damage Dealt by an Instant or Sorcery Directly to a Creature. Color: Red[...]This is the category that Hornet Sting falls into [...]
I agree, this was a rather weak article. Probably a 1 in MaRo's upcoming Five Hundred and Counting.I wanted to highlight this bit of nonsense:"The reason that drain life is damage rather than life loss (and yes, I know damage generally causes life loss) is that we need the parallel of damage to life to make the effect feel right."Because the parallel of life loss to life gain doesn't work?!No, the reason that drain life is damage rather than life loss is so that it can hit creatures!
"For purposes of my definition, I'm assuming that the spell or permanent with the effect is the source of that damage (a.k.a. it is dealt directly to the creature or player)."" - This looked redundant as well, at first, but it isn't quite. It would exclude at least one category of effects - a Fling-like effect that stated that the sacrificed creature, rather than the spell or permanent itself, was the source of damage. So the problem isn't that this is redundant, it's that it's stupid and arbitrary; why should Fling count as DD, but not the effect I just described? Also, the bit in parentheses is another non sequitur; it is in no way equivalent to the previous part of the sentence.
It's also a well-known fact that the only sets that "count" when he's talking about Design are the ones still in Standard; sometimes even just the newest set. Cloudthresher IS ancient history to him. So was the common pinger in SHARDS OF ALARA on the design test. To be honest, I'm surprised that he even considers Zendikar "modern design" at this point.
Another point of contention is that Mark Rosewater thinks that green shouldn't get Hornet Sting because it's bad to give a color an effect it shouldn't have (as long as that color is not blue or red, because Mark constantly gives these colors effects they shouldn't have, and many times in a much more powerful version than the color that does it well). Fortunately, the set of people that disagrees with him includes both his boss and the person that made the game (just look at any set designed by Richard Garfield, and you'll find in them green direct damage that is not solely tied to flying creatures), so it's a battle he has already lost.
Mark has also forgotten about the cards that either damage themselves or their controller, found specially on lands, but also on black, red and some old blue creatures.
Finally, Mark points at Tracker as an effect that is on green's color pie. Well, for people that don't know how "The Dark" works, it's a set were each color did precisely what it shouldn't be doing, so using it as an example is even worse than using cards from "Planar Chaos". Note also that Mark Rosewater was the lead designer of Mirage, which contains Unyaro Bee Sting, so all this beating of Hornet Sting is terribly ironic.
Well, for people that don't know how "The Dark" works, it's a set were each color did precisely what it shouldn't be doing, so using it as an example is even worse than using cards from "Planar Chaos".
What cards are you talking about?
I don't think R&D consider those burn cards. Those are more punishing cards.
The tracker abiilty has been used througout magic in green (and red). Most recently Master of the Wild Hunt. It's not like the ability was used once in green and Mark is dragging it up from the past. Also being on a design team (or even the head of design) doesn't mean you can throw out any card you don't like. It actually happend with hornet sting.
That those sets have outsold all other core sets by an obscene amount also points to something that I leave as an exercise for the readers to discover.
Master of the Wild Hunt comes from a set designed by Aaron Forsythe (the lead designer of both M10 and M11), where he specifically went to magic past to retrieve cards and effects that Mark Rosewater had (wrongly) taken out from each color's share of the color pie, such as Fog. Aaron, like me, thinks that Fog is good for green as much as Hornet Sting, and if both cards got printed is because he as a Lead Designer had the final say on the matter. That those sets have outsold all other core sets by an obscene amount also points to something that I leave as an exercise for the readers to discover.
MaRo hates Hornet Sting so much he never even finished reading its last two words (or was that known already)
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97820278 wrote:144532521 wrote:How;s a 2 drop 1/2, Flying broken? What am I missing? You're missing it because *turns Storm Crows sideways* all your base are belong to Chuck Norris and every other overused meme ever.
144532521 wrote:How;s a 2 drop 1/2, Flying broken? What am I missing?
What cards are you talking about?The ones you didn't bother to search.