The Doctor (Doctor Who)

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I am wishing to build The Doctor for LFR, but I am stuck on options for what to build him as.  Obviously, he needs really high Int, and either Cha or Wis as his other stat.

I have bounced around within Hybrids for it, using combinations of wizard, artificer, bard, and ardent. 

Any ideas?
Deva artificer.

He's a slightly mad scientist who reincarnates when he 'dies' and uses the remembered knowledge of his previous lives to his advantage when dealing with problems in the present.

Alternatively, a deva psion with the Time Bender paragon path. For reasons that should be pretty damned obvious.
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I see him as a Deva Artificer as well, but I could possibly see him being a Deva Wizard.

Obviously his sonic screwdriver is an implement. I don't recall at the moment whether Artificers get Wands or Rods, but I'd classify it as wand definately.
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I dont think it would be possible, in that the doctor specifically shuns violence. Pacifist characters get very little love from the system.
I dont think it would be possible, in that the doctor specifically shuns violence. Pacifist characters get very little love from the system.




That's why you should pick low damage, control type powers.
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He doesnt LIKE violence, but he does some pretty nasty things when forced to it.  Maybe not KILLING but if you've seen that one episode, Children of Blood I think it was?

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Sister of Mine was trapped in every mirror, another one was bound in random unbreakable chains, etc.


I think wizard and pick any sound spells you can, like you could reflavor any thunder spells to be the sonic screwdriver.
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Yeah, the Doctor's a technical pacifist rather than a real one. And a bit of a self-righteous hypocrite to boot. To be fair, he has to have some faults to preserve him from insufferable Marty Stu-ism. ;)
"There's an old saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing. I've always had a problem with that. If you do nothing to oppose evil, then how are you 'good'? To turn aside and allow evil to flourish is to collaborate with it. You ask for mercy. You claim you have done nothing. That 'nothing' is why you deserve no mercy." - Lorian Karthfaerr, drow paladin of Avandra Robin Laws says I'm a Storyteller:
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You're more inclined toward the role playing side of the equation and less interested in numbers or experience points. You're quick to compromise if you can help move the story forward, and get bored when the game slows down for a long planning session. You want to play out a story that moves like it's orchestrated by a skilled novelist or film director. Storyteller 92% Tactician 83% Method Actor 75% Butt-Kicker 67% Power Gamer 67% Specialist 58% Casual Gamer 8%
Damn you, duskweaver! Damn you and your TVTropes links!

*cough*

I've actually put thought into a Doctor-like character before...and I mostly came up with a Deva Bard. After all, bard is the only class that can insult someone to death.

Now that the Ardent is out, that does sound like a reasonable thing to hybrid with bard for a Doctor build, though the weapon focus of it doesn't quite mesh well with the doctor's technical pacifism MO. Maybe Psion with a telepathy focus, if you can stand going V-shaped with your build, and some of the Prescient Bard powers. All his mental stats would be high, though (depending on the particular incarnation you are aiming for) the amounts differ (The 4th Doctor mainly got by on Cha, while the 6th Doctor would have a high int but an abominable cha thanks to being an insufferable egomaniac, and the 10th Doctor would split int and cha quite evenly, and the 11th Doctor seems to be more int but lower wis, like an absent-minded professor).

The skills any doctor build should have are Arcana, History, and either Bluff or Diplomacy (preferably both). Any other skills would vary by incarnation.
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Time Bender PP seems to fit the concept along with a Bard multiclass to grab Vicious Mockery.
A hybrid Wizard/Psion with Bard Multiclass or Bard/Psion would meet the PP prerequisite and nail the feel of playing everyones favorite time-traveling scoundrel.

The Bard of All Trades feat is icing on the cake.
Oh, and make sure you train thievery, but remember 'It doesnt do wood!'
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I've actually thought of this one before too- I agree with the suggestion of a Deva Artificer- Artificers also have some rather nifty PP's that have potential for the Doctor (clockwork engineer for one... clocks... time... TIMELORD!... and it takes an engineer to keep that tardis in tiptop shape!) From a flavor standpoint, I'd make his implement a wand called the sonic screwdriver, and if at all possible specialize in sonic and psychic spells (psychic paper). How convenient that the Devas actually make good Artificers too!

Only prob is, the Doctor requires high charisma lol... So I'm almost convinced to make him a charisma based race/class- So I would alternatively make him:

Races: Changeling- he can change form, after all, and often impersonates people- also makes for some good ability scores

Changeling Sorc, Changeling Inspiring Warlord (hard with no str, but i dont see him as a str race- also great since he's more about inspiring people and not actually attacking himself). Deva Pacifist Cleric, Deva OR Changeling Psion would work really well as well, as they still key off of the main stat. A lot of options here for the doctor.

Again, I like the idea of him specializing in sonic and psychic spells- which would make Psion really good again, or an arcane class.
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One thought though: What would the stats be for the TARDIS?

I think that I am going to make the 11th Doctor due to my favoritism for DW...
hmm... there are stats in the Plane Above for an Astral Dromond, so you could use those, and make it smaller.  (for obvious reasons...)

thinking about it, the doctor's class varies on his incarnation.

Matt smith seems wizardly to me, all absent minded until he pulls out a spell that destroys EVERYTHING.
David tennant is hard...  I feel like a cross between an inspiring warlord (cause of the the Children of Time thing (end of season 4) and a psion...  But i could also see a bard fitting.
Christopher Eccleston feels artificer to me.

but thats just all my opinions. (and btw, i have only seen the revived series so i cant comment on the doctors before eccleston.)

Now i want to figure out the companions...
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Here is my 11th doctor build at lv 20:


====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
The 11th Doctor, level 20
Deva, Wizard|Psion, Time Bender
Discipline Focus (Hybrid): Telepathy Focus (Hybrid)
Psionic Augmentation (Hybrid): Hybrid Power Point Option
Hybrid Talent: Arcane Implement Mastery
Arcane Implement Mastery: Wand of Accuracy


FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 11, Con 12, Dex 11, Int 21, Wis 18, Cha 20.


STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 11, Dex 10, Int 15, Wis 13, Cha 16.



AC: 30 Fort: 25 Reflex: 29 Will: 33
HP: 99 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 24


TRAINED SKILLS
Insight +19, History +22, Arcana +20, Bluff +23, Thievery +15


UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +12, Diplomacy +17, Dungeoneering +16, Endurance +13, Heal +16, Intimidate +17, Nature +16, Perception +16, Religion +19, Stealth +12, Streetwise +17, Athletics +12


FEATS
Level 1: Skill Training (Bluff)
Level 2: Jack of All Trades
Level 4: Immortal Skill
Level 6: Distracting Feint
Level 8: Linguist
Level 10: Skill Training (Thievery)
Level 11: Focused Mind
Level 12: Skill Focus (Bluff)
Level 14: Iron Will
Level 16: Auspicious Lineage
Level 18: Hybrid Talent
Level 20: Mettle


POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Nightmare Eruption
Hybrid at-will 1: Dishearten
Hybrid daily 1: Ravening Thought
Hybrid utility 2: False Bravado
Hybrid at-will 3: Force Hammer (replaces Dishearten)
Hybrid encounter 3: Arcane Bolt
Hybrid daily 5: Scattering Shock
Hybrid utility 6: Confusing Blather
Hybrid at-will/encounter 7: Lightning Bolt
Hybrid daily 9: Sensory Onslaught
Hybrid utility 10: Insightful Comment
Hybrid at-will/encounter 13: Concussion Burst (replaces Force Hammer)
Hybrid daily 15: Vertigo (replaces Ravening Thought)
Hybrid utility 16: Psychic Chirurgery
Hybrid at-will/encounter 17: Combust (replaces Arcane Bolt)
Hybrid daily 19: Shred Reality (replaces Sensory Onslaught)


ITEMS
Illithid Robes Feyweave Armor +4, Amulet of Elusive Prey +4, Adventurer's Kit, Hawthorn Wand +5

(Possibly partly 10th doctor as well with all the psionic powers...)

Level 12: Skill Focus (Bluff)



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From the Winston Churchill / Daleks episode, obviously. ;)
"There's an old saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing. I've always had a problem with that. If you do nothing to oppose evil, then how are you 'good'? To turn aside and allow evil to flourish is to collaborate with it. You ask for mercy. You claim you have done nothing. That 'nothing' is why you deserve no mercy." - Lorian Karthfaerr, drow paladin of Avandra Robin Laws says I'm a Storyteller:
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You're more inclined toward the role playing side of the equation and less interested in numbers or experience points. You're quick to compromise if you can help move the story forward, and get bored when the game slows down for a long planning session. You want to play out a story that moves like it's orchestrated by a skilled novelist or film director. Storyteller 92% Tactician 83% Method Actor 75% Butt-Kicker 67% Power Gamer 67% Specialist 58% Casual Gamer 8%
Hmm, I think I might end up going with a Bard MC or hybrid.
I want to focus more on building the David Tennant DW, as his is the one that got me into the show in the first place. 

Off to the Char Builder, see what I can come up with... 
good to know that most of us are thinking on the same page.. I  took it just a bit further.  He is not "The" Doctor but one of his kith and kin.  He is a worshiper of the Traveller in Eberron, whom I imagine is "THE Doctor" and potentially responsible for The Mourning.  Much like The Doctor, he needed to make the unthinkable choice to end the war.

His impliment is a wand that takes the shape of a Tuning Fork...thusly sonic in nature.
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Some combination of Bard and Artificer?

That's what I would do, if I didn't go full Bard.
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Fun question for your DM:  what would a Tennant-era "The Master" be?

Warlock focusing on control/domination?

Chaos Sorcerer?

Artificer with laser-themed wand and damaging powers?
flavorwise I'd do Star-pact warlock

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While he didnt ask to make the 'pact' the Time Lords put the madness in his mind, and I could see that giving him his power.


Of course he is VERY charisma based, more so than some incarnations of the doctor, I could see another bard...
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One thought though: What would the stats be for the TARDIS?

I think that I am going to make the 11th Doctor due to my favoritism for DW...



Just reflavor the classic "leomunds secure shelter" to have a tardis appearance in the material plane.

And you could flavor it to give you the whole "time and space" travel effect as it travels the Astral Sea with the "hit the lever" ritual? voila now you too can have a non-coherent story line with repeating villans!

Amazed at how obtuse people can be since 1972.


Of course he is VERY charisma based, more so than some incarnations of the doctor, I could see another bard...



This. A big part of the relationship between the two has always been the similarity between the two. Even their names are both titles given due to acedemic achievement, and that was intentional. I would focus the Doctor on buffing and healing, and the Master on debuffs and control. Lots of control.

I could see the Master having mc warlock, though. Certianly a side of striker wouldn't hurt getting the right feel across.

@thead: Just don't forget to make The Doctor have an incredible Theivery skill. And Diplomacy. And Intimidate. And Bluff.

Ok, and the knowledges. And streetwise...Crap.

OK, The Doctor needs to be a full on skill monkey Bard build. I'm talking the full deal. Bardic Knowledge and Bard of All Trades and carefully chosen background and item skill bonuses. Every knowledge related skill, bluff, diplo, intimidate, insight, theivery, streetwise, even heal and perception should be things he doesn't suck at.

Luckily, it's not all that hard to do.

As long as you don't expect your character to truly feel like The Doctor in early heroic, you're fine.
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As long as you don't expect your character to truly feel like The Doctor in early heroic, you're fine.


I think we can all agree the real Doctor is an epic tier character...
"There's an old saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing. I've always had a problem with that. If you do nothing to oppose evil, then how are you 'good'? To turn aside and allow evil to flourish is to collaborate with it. You ask for mercy. You claim you have done nothing. That 'nothing' is why you deserve no mercy." - Lorian Karthfaerr, drow paladin of Avandra Robin Laws says I'm a Storyteller:
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You're more inclined toward the role playing side of the equation and less interested in numbers or experience points. You're quick to compromise if you can help move the story forward, and get bored when the game slows down for a long planning session. You want to play out a story that moves like it's orchestrated by a skilled novelist or film director. Storyteller 92% Tactician 83% Method Actor 75% Butt-Kicker 67% Power Gamer 67% Specialist 58% Casual Gamer 8%
agreed, i mean he takes on threats that end the UNIVERSE, and that is not heroic level.

Daleks? Want to destroy every other race in the universe
Cybermen? want to assimilate everyone in the world, and perhaps beyond.
The Master? Well, you get the idea

Edit: Added examples. 
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Just watched The Pandorica Opens yesterday.

Wow.
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I know...

 I only started watching doctor who this year, i spent the few weeks before the new season watching the revived series.  Its times like these when I miss not being up to date, i could watch both parts in a row, no more suspense
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Well..we are out of topic anyway:
Does anyone of you know were I can buy the old series of Doctor Who? Im from Germany so I have to let them ship in..but when I google for I can only find the new 5 ones =/.
I've been wondering the same thing, actually. I've seen bits and pieces, and read some of the novels when I was a kid. I've been wanting to catch up on all the old stuff, but I just haven't found it.
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if you actually want to own it then i cant help, but netflix has a lot of them, some of them even instant (not sure about Germany, sorry! but if you're in the US it works quite nicely)

Slightly more on topic, been trying to figure out the companions, here's what i've come up with so far:

Rose: I'm thinking psion for the Timebender paragon path, but that doesnt really fit up till that point.  But time bender is just so perfect, cause, you know.... Bad wolf.

Jack: Well, maybe a deva something or another, cause
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He can't die
and i'm thinking a martial class of some sort, he is a lot more violent... Perhaps fighter for the Undying warrior epic destiny.

Martha: Really not sure here, she does kick some more butt, so perhaps a monk?

Donna: I love donna, but I have trouble pinning her anywhere. She's a big talker so I could see bard.

Amy: I want to do barbarian, just cause when
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rory dies, once in a dream, she mows down a whole bunch of old people, and when he dies for real she just freaks out. Until she forgets, but w/e
 Seems like barbarian rage to me!
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Jack: Well, maybe a deva something or another, cause
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He can't die
and i'm thinking a martial class of some sort, he is a lot more violent... Perhaps fighter for the Undying warrior epic destiny.



Jack should be a revenant who maxes out his death saving throws. Class wise I could see him as a Warlord or maybe a Rogue.
Jack: Well, maybe a deva something or another, cause
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He can't die
and i'm thinking a martial class of some sort, he is a lot more violent... Perhaps fighter for the Undying warrior epic destiny.



Captain Jack's definitely either a bard or a (very) charismatic rogue. He used to be a grifter/conman before he first met Rose and the Doctor. My firesoul genasi bard is based on Jack, at least for the personality (and the "anything with a hole" libido). Obviously, he doesn't look much like John Barrowman. Unless you painted John Barrowman black with swirly yellow lines and then set his hair on fire.

Amy: I want to do barbarian, just cause when
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rory dies, once in a dream, she mows down a whole bunch of old people, and when he dies for real she just freaks out. Until she forgets, but w/e
 Seems like barbarian rage to me!



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He gets better! And then everything else gets much, much worse!

I think Amy's too smart to be a barbarian. I feel she ought to be an Int/Cha class, though that pretty much just leaves us with psion (I think we can agree warlock is out).

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Given how much of The Pandorica Opens is created directly out of Amy's own mind, psion would actually make sense. Or illusionist wizard, potentially.


And what about River Song?
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You're more inclined toward the role playing side of the equation and less interested in numbers or experience points. You're quick to compromise if you can help move the story forward, and get bored when the game slows down for a long planning session. You want to play out a story that moves like it's orchestrated by a skilled novelist or film director. Storyteller 92% Tactician 83% Method Actor 75% Butt-Kicker 67% Power Gamer 67% Specialist 58% Casual Gamer 8%
hmm i do like amy as a psion...

river? well she is a professor and a doctor, both of these seem wizardly to me...
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river? well she is a professor and a doctor, both of these seem wizardly to me...


Possibly. She can also pilot the TARDIS better than the Doctor does (she doesn't keep forgetting to take the parking brake off). So I'd be inclined to make her an artificer (or whatever class people think the Doctor should be). I might just be biased, though, since I still want her to turn out to really be Romana...
"There's an old saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing. I've always had a problem with that. If you do nothing to oppose evil, then how are you 'good'? To turn aside and allow evil to flourish is to collaborate with it. You ask for mercy. You claim you have done nothing. That 'nothing' is why you deserve no mercy." - Lorian Karthfaerr, drow paladin of Avandra Robin Laws says I'm a Storyteller:
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You're more inclined toward the role playing side of the equation and less interested in numbers or experience points. You're quick to compromise if you can help move the story forward, and get bored when the game slows down for a long planning session. You want to play out a story that moves like it's orchestrated by a skilled novelist or film director. Storyteller 92% Tactician 83% Method Actor 75% Butt-Kicker 67% Power Gamer 67% Specialist 58% Casual Gamer 8%
in the pandorica opens, she says it was the doctor who taught her to pilot the tardis, so maybe he really DOES leave it on on purpose.  I must say, i LOVE that noise, and would be sad if he stopped.
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The Doctor should get the Time Wizards' Tools item set.
Donna Noble would most certaintly get Deva Heritage at some point in her career. =P So tragic...I weep for the poor Doctor.
I've just seen The Big Bang (the series finale).

Whatever class Rory is, his epic destiny has to be Eternal Defender.

I honestly never thought they'd be able to make him seem worthy of Amy. In this episode, they did. They most definitely did.

Wow.

Roll on the Christmas special.
"There's an old saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing. I've always had a problem with that. If you do nothing to oppose evil, then how are you 'good'? To turn aside and allow evil to flourish is to collaborate with it. You ask for mercy. You claim you have done nothing. That 'nothing' is why you deserve no mercy." - Lorian Karthfaerr, drow paladin of Avandra Robin Laws says I'm a Storyteller:
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You're more inclined toward the role playing side of the equation and less interested in numbers or experience points. You're quick to compromise if you can help move the story forward, and get bored when the game slows down for a long planning session. You want to play out a story that moves like it's orchestrated by a skilled novelist or film director. Storyteller 92% Tactician 83% Method Actor 75% Butt-Kicker 67% Power Gamer 67% Specialist 58% Casual Gamer 8%
I've just seen The Big Bang (the series finale).

Whatever class Rory is, his epic destiny has to be Eternal Defender.

I honestly never thought they'd be able to make him seem worthy of Amy. In this episode, they did. They most definitely did.

Wow.

Roll on the Christmas special.




Can see Rory being a fighter due to the roman soldier side and him doing pretty well in the sword duel he got into in Venice