Journey to Nowhere and Emrakul

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if a player casts journey to nowhere, can that player target 
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn since journey to nowhere, once in play,
is no longer a spell but a permanent?
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Yes. Emrakul's protection applies only to spells on the stack, not abilities like those found on Journey to Nowhere and Oblivion Ring.
cool, thanks!
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A very interesting distinction, thanks for the good question
woa, but i thought protection included not being able to be targeted.....? wouldn't journey to nowhere be a colored spell while targeting emrakul?
woa, but i thought protection included not being able to be targeted.....? wouldn't journey to nowhere be a colored spell while targeting emrakul?



It is the triggered ability, not a spell, that is targeting.
 
So a 1/1 creature with,protection from black, could still be killed by Bala Ged Scorpion enter the battlefield trigger?
So a 1/1 creature with,protection from black, could still be killed by Bala Ged Scorpion enter the battlefield trigger?



No. The difference here is the creature would have protection from black. So ability, spell, it doesn't matter. the source of the ability here is black so pro-black would make it an illegal target. However emrakul has protection from colored -spells- and journey to nowhere's effect is from an ability, not a spell
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I see, that makes sense.  Thank you
That's a very subtle distinction. I doubt the casual player is going to get that!
People just need to know the different.

A spell is any card that is on the stack. Cards on the battlefield are permanents.

Having protection from black means you can't be targeted by black sources, dealt damage by black sources, equipped/enchanted by black sources, and can't be blocked by black sources.

Having protection from colored spells, such as Emrakul, The Aeons Torn means he can't be targeted by ANY spell such as Path to exile. Oblivion Ring and Journey to Nowhere work because its ability states "WHEN THIS CARD ENTERS THE BATTLEFIELD" and that means by the time this spell resolves, it becomes a permanent with an ability that targets Emrakul, The Aeons Torn, not a spell.


Confusing...but I hope you guys get it :\
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It's not really confusing, if you rub two braincells together and understand the fact that a "spell" is the only thing that is a "spell" and anything that's not a "spell" is not a "spell."
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It's not really confusing, if you rub two braincells together and understand the fact that a "spell" is the only thing that is a "spell" and anything that's not a "spell" is not a "spell."



Right, but not everyone sees it that way.

In a game like MTG, every term has its own definition that players need to learn such as the Stack, Spells, Permanents, Triggered/Activated/Static Abilities, and so on and so forth.


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Cards in your hands are spells (except for lands).



This isn't right.  Cards in your hand are just cards.  Spells exist only on the stack.

Cards in your hands are spells (except for lands).



This isn't right.  Cards in your hand are just cards.  Spells exist only on the stack.


My apologies, you are most certainly correct. Terrible wording on my part.
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It's not really confusing, if you rub two braincells together and understand the fact that a "spell" is the only thing that is a "spell" and anything that's not a "spell" is not a "spell."



Right, but not everyone sees it that way.

In a game like MTG, every term has its own definition that players need to learn such as the Stack, Spells, Permanents, Triggered/Activated/Static Abilities, and so on and so forth.





I know; that's why I said "and understand [blah]." As in, "and as long as you know some of the more simple rules of the game, such as the fact that a spell only exists on the stack and if something is anywhere else, it's not a spell." Just rubbing 2 braincells together, in this case, wouldn't be enough. ;)
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woa, but i thought protection included not being able to be targeted.....? wouldn't journey to nowhere be a colored spell while targeting emrakul?



It is the triggered ability, not a spell, that is targeting.
 


Saying this way is a bit misleading, as the next post proved.


Try: it is a triggered ability from a permanent, not from a spell, that is targeting.

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The only defense I have against Emrakul is Seal of Doom, and all that does is buy hopefully buy me some time!

The only defense I have against Emrakul is Seal of Doom, and all that does is buy hopefully buy me some time!


Executioner's Capsule, Journey to Nowhere, Oblivion Ring, Day of Judgment, etc. etc. There're plenty of ways to fight back against Emrakul, though for obvious reasons exiling works a lot better than destruction.

I had one game against a poly-Emrakul deck where I managed to keep it subdued with a Scepter of Dominance for 20-30 turns. Always fun.
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Yeah recently I came across a powerful Eldrazi deck containing several anihillator cards, but if i choose to use my red white deck it's easy to hold the giant creatures at bay including Emrakul.  Using creatures such at Stun Sniper and Thundersong Trumpeter allows you to use their activated abilites to prevent attacking whenever your turn has ended. (tapping or preventing attacks from Eldrazi)  Anihillate THAT =D
The only defense I have against Emrakul is Seal of Doom, and all that does is buy hopefully buy me some time!


Executioner's Capsule, Journey to Nowhere, Oblivion Ring, Day of Judgment, etc. etc. There're plenty of ways to fight back against Emrakul, though for obvious reasons exiling works a lot better than destruction.

I had one game against a poly-Emrakul deck where I managed to keep it subdued with a Scepter of Dominance for 20-30 turns. Always fun.

Day of Judgment wouldn't work on Emrakul, I would think, as he has protection from colored spells.
 Day of Judgment wouldn't work on Emrakul, I would think, as he has protection from colored spells.



Day of Judgement doesn't do anything that protection stops.  Emrakul will be destroyed.
 
A card could, quite literally, have "Protection from Day of Judgment" and it would still be destroyed.
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so could you Jounry to Nowhere a Malakir Bloodwitch or since its pro-white its an illigal target?
so could you Jounry to Nowhere a Malakir Bloodwitch or since its pro-white its an illigal target?


No, you cannot do that. Emrakul has protection from colored spells. When Journey targets it, it is not a spell.

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I don't think there are any cards like that. There are things that prevent you from activating activated abilities, things that increase their cost, and things that counter them, but I don't think anything triggers from them specifically. There are things that trigger from targeting, so that might be relevant, but I can't think of anything that triggers from targeting a player. I'm almost positive there's nothing that triggers from damage being prevented.
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so could you Jounry to Nowhere a Malakir Bloodwitch or since its pro-white its an illigal target?


A creature with protection from white cannot be the target of spells that are white or abilities whose sources are white.  Broodwich has pro:white and therefore cannot be the target of Journey's ability, since the source of that ability is white.

A creature with protection from colored spells cannot be the target of spells that are colored spells or abilities whose sources are colored spells.  Emrakul has pro:colored spells and therefore it can be the target of Journey's ability, since the source of that ability is a colored permanent, and is not a spell at all, colored or otherwise.
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