5/19/2010 StF: "Planeswalker Potpourri"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Savor the Flavor, which goes live Wednesday on magicthegathering.com.
Regarding the last question, I like the entire Eldrazi not really having sexs, but not really being bothered by gendered pronouns.

Regarding the second question, I guess lighting can make a human look like a kor, kinda like Eldarizi looking like slivers, except for a bit more of a problem.

The beefy tan arm does help show that his skin color is not korish.
maybe the graypelt hunter is just a korphile and likes to mimic the kor by wearing pale face paint and decorating his beard in that fashion.
As the person who first posted to the Graypelt Hunter "rate and discuss" that it seemed to be a Kor, you will have a hard time convincing me this wasn't an art error that was revised by the artist at the request of Wizards. Happens all the time on novel covers. I've been known to be wrong, but then again so has the occasional recent card.

I've got a good excuse though: perhaps he really hates Kor, and wears a mask-like makeup to be mistaken for one of their ranks to better get the drop on them as a human member of an adventuring party... just a thought.
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Those links are AWESOME!  While I am not an artist, my friends are.  I will be happy to pass them along.


Please, please mark this article in a way that it'll be easy for it to be Googled in the future.  For instance, I have a friend that draws on paper and pencil and keeps "thinking" about pads (Wacom), and I remember there was once an article on this site that had a multiple choice question:  "Which of these paintings were done 'in real life' and which were done on computer?"


I...haven't the foggiest idea how to get to that article at this point.  (If anyone knows where that link is, please say so.)



Otherwise, I will e-mail this link to my buddies right now.  Good article!:-)

I'm ready for a common planeswalker or two haha. That would be pretty SWEET.
Regarding the last question, I like the entire Eldrazi not really having sexs, but not really being bothered by gendered pronouns.



I use gendered pronouns to refer to them too, ever since the "deities" article. As a woman player myself, it makes me squee beyond belief that the most epically absurdly powerful of the Eldrazi is the one that gets referred to as "she." That made me happy for days, I tell you.

In just about all the games I grew up playing and loving, the female characters always have less strength than the male ones. It always made me wonder just what game-makers were trying to say (prove?) with that. I'm not disputing that physical brawniness is more associated with human males -- they're larger and more testosterone means they build muscle more easily. I just always thought it seemed kind of sketchy and made me feel down to see that treated in games as though it were important somehow, when I never saw, for example, female characters tending to be rated higher on endurance-type traits to balance it out.

So seeing the mightiest of the titans being nominally "female", even if gendering the Eldrazi at all is a mistake, makes me really happy. Female characters, whether heroes or villains, have been unimportant sidekicks or tokens for way too long.

So yeah. I don't think I could call Emrakul "it" if you paid me. :-)

In just about all the games I grew up playing and loving, the female characters always have less strength than the male ones. It always made me wonder just what game-makers were trying to say (prove?) with that. I'm not disputing that physical brawniness is more associated with human males -- they're larger and more testosterone means they build muscle more easily. I just always thought it seemed kind of sketchy and made me feel down to see that treated in games as though it were important somehow, when I never saw, for example, female characters tending to be rated higher on endurance-type traits to balance it out.

I once saw it suggested as a house rule for Dungeons & Dragons that males get +1 Strength and -1 Constitution and females get -1 Strength and +1 Constitution, in order to reflect this.

Re: Savor the Flavor in general. I love these articles! I love learning more about how different aspects of the game are represented in their fantasy settings (and vice-versa). The flavor of modern Magic is very rich and fascinating (at least to me), and it's a big part of why I love the game so much now. Keep it up!

Re: Art. I'm not an artist, but I am a hobbyist creative type (music), and these blog posts are a fascinating look into the whole thing. It'll help me in my own projects to make them better, even if not necessarily more "noticed" or whatever.

Re: Female characters. One thing that's stuck out for me about modern Magic is the number of very strong female characters. In the current deck I play (Bant Landfall), most of the key players are females: Noble Hierarch, Knight of the Reliquary, Emeria Angel, Admonition Angel (... and Baneslayer Angel if I could afford her). I think that's awesome. Now if only they'd show more people of color.

Thanks again!

In just about all the games I grew up playing and loving, the female characters always have less strength than the male ones. It always made me wonder just what game-makers were trying to say (prove?) with that. I'm not disputing that physical brawniness is more associated with human males -- they're larger and more testosterone means they build muscle more easily. I just always thought it seemed kind of sketchy and made me feel down to see that treated in games as though it were important somehow, when I never saw, for example, female characters tending to be rated higher on endurance-type traits to balance it out.

I once saw it suggested as a house rule for Dungeons & Dragons that males get +1 Strength and -1 Constitution and females get -1 Strength and +1 Constitution, in order to reflect this.



That's pretty cool. :-)

And yeah, my big pet peeve were those D&D computer games (back before anything was multiplayer, so you created a whole party yourself) that would let females have a certain Strength value but no higher. Since it would let you tweak the rolls or re-roll I always tried to max my characters out on the important stats, and since females' highest Strength values were lower and there was nothing balancing that, I took it to mean that "you're not supposed" to have female fighter-class characters.

Now I realize I could very well not have been half-cheaty about the whole thing but at the time I really felt upset, particularly given that in some of them you were supposed to create these huge parties that had like... a Paladin, a Fighter, and a Ranger in them.

Which always annoyed me, because I was like "Okay, why can my Mage be any gender, my Cleric be any gender, and then my Paladin can but 'shouldn't' be a woman?"

Re: Female characters. One thing that's stuck out for me about modern Magic is the number of very strong female characters. In the current deck I play (Bant Landfall), most of the key players are females: Noble Hierarch, Knight of the Reliquary, Emeria Angel, Admonition Angel (... and Baneslayer Angel if I could afford her). I think that's awesome. Now if only they'd show more people of color.

ITA. I mean, I love that Mirage and Kamigawa set events in planes where Whitey was a rarity. But I kind of wish that wasn't so tied to "this is a block where people tend to have this sort of complexion/these features/etcblah."

I also, as I've said elsewhere, would love to see elves with varying skin tones. Not because I want "a drow race" in Magic at all (I actually think the whole "and there's a race of dark-skinned elves and their culture is villainous" is sketchy, even though I do understand that the concept of "dark elves" has a basis in mythology), but because I don't see why, say, elves in a tropical climate would still be light-skinned. I think it might throw people at first to see a brown-skinned elf, but people would get used to it quickly.

The color or colors of a planeswalker card represent important flavor-icious developments in his or her life. Ajani's swap from mono-white to red-white signified a shift in philosophy, a newfound comfort with revenge, and the addition of some fiery, world-shaking magic.

WHAT? You, the spokesman of MTG Creative, and most importantly, the writer of Alara Unbroken, in which Ajani is the main character, do not know that Ajani Vengeant is supposed to represent an earlier stage of Ajani's life than Ajani Goldmane? I mean, I know that this earlier stage was conceived by the creative team way after Ajani's monowhite self, and so that the concept of Ajani Vengeant being a younger version and him being born on Naya are storyline cheats, but still, man, of all people, you should know your friggin' cheated storyline !!!
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The one thing I really want to see when it comes to Planeswalkers is an end to Rehashing the same old Planeswalkers. Only one or two per set? Why are Wizards so fixed on Repeating the ones from before? Can't they keep coming up with something new?

The color or colors of a planeswalker card represent important flavor-icious developments in his or her life. Ajani's swap from mono-white to red-white signified a shift in philosophy, a newfound comfort with revenge, and the addition of some fiery, world-shaking magic.

WHAT? You, the spokesman of MTG Creative, and most importantly, the writer of Alara Unbroken, in which Ajani is the main character, do not know that Ajani Vengeant is supposed to represent an earlier stage of Ajani's life than Ajani Goldmane? I mean, I know that this earlier stage was conceived by the creative team way after Ajani's monowhite self, and so that the concept of Ajani Vengeant being a younger version and him being born on Naya are storyline cheats, but still, man, of all people, you should know your friggin' cheated storyline !!!

Yes, this!
Ajani Vengeant is younger than Ajani Goldmane. Honestly, Doug! 

The rest of the article was very cool though. For my artist friends the portfolio links will be excellent, and I'm another one who's always called Emrakul "she"

The one thing I really want to see when it comes to Planeswalkers is an end to Rehashing the same old Planeswalkers. Only one or two per set? Why are Wizards so fixed on Repeating the ones from before? Can't they keep coming up with something new?

I strongly disagree. It's good to see development of existing characters and settings. It's good to see new ones as well, of course, but Gideon shows they're doing that too. It's a bit of a pity that the Legend rule fiddliness probably means we won't see any more non-planeswalker characters with multiple versions, like Kamahl and Ertai and Crovax and Balthor; I liked them. But as long as there's development of characters and settings, I can cope if the character development has to be shown on planeswalkers.
As the person who first posted to the Graypelt Hunter "rate and discuss" that it seemed to be a Kor, you will have a hard time convincing me this wasn't an art error that was revised by the artist at the request of Wizards. Happens all the time on novel covers. I've been known to be wrong, but then again so has the occasional recent card.

I've got a good excuse though: perhaps he really hates Kor, and wears a mask-like makeup to be mistaken for one of their ranks to better get the drop on them as a human member of an adventuring party... just a thought.



I don't know, I still buy the entire unfortanate lighting and that humans braid their beards like that anyway.

Regarding DoBe's mess-up regarding  Ajani, I don't worry about it, it would take a lot of wordage to explain that Ajani Vengant is him during his planeswalking years in Alara, being all pissed that his brother is dead, and Ajani Goldmane is him after a few planeswalks around the block.

Regarding non-white characters in MtG, I think Zendikar has quite a few dark skinned guys in there, and the vampires are vaguly remicent of the natives of the Americas.
Plus, we weave important non-planeswalker characters—the Rafiqs and Ob Nixilises of the world—to give their own depth to the story, even if we sadly leave them behind when we move on.



How is Ob Nixilis an important character?  There were no less than seven planeswalkers that visited Zendikar this year, and he didn't attack them or try to steal their spark, or even interact with any of them.  His flavor text suggests that he's plotting revenge on the plane, but now the plane is being eaten and he can't take credit for any of that.  He had no role in the comics or the novels.

Let's face it, a random vampire historian who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time had a more significant role to play in the fate of the plane.  Come to think of it, so did those four goblins from Journey to the Eye, part 1.  And they all died without a word of dialogue!
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Plus, we weave important non-planeswalker characters—the Rafiqs and Ob Nixilises of the world—to give their own depth to the story, even if we sadly leave them behind when we move on.



How is Ob Nixilis an important character?  There were no less than seven planeswalkers that visited Zendikar this year, and he didn't attack them or try to steal their spark, or even interact with any of them.  His flavor text suggests that he's plotting revenge on the plane, but now the plane is being eaten and he can't take credit for any of that.  He had no role in the comics or the novels.

Let's face it, a random vampire historian who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time had a more significant role to play in the fate of the plane.  Come to think of it, so did those four goblins from Journey to the Eye, part 1.  And they all died without a word of dialogue!


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Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
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Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
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Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
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I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
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The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
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Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
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But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
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Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
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I thought Vengeant was younger than Goldmane as well.
What happened to powerful non-planewalkers who could stiff beat down face without being horrible abominations?  Barrin was cool because he was a master wizard who could probably beat down any of the new planeswalkers with ease.


How is Ob Nixilis an important character?  There were no less than seven planeswalkers that visited Zendikar this year, and he didn't attack them or try to steal their spark, or even interact with any of them.  His flavor text suggests that he's plotting revenge on the plane, but now the plane is being eaten and he can't take credit for any of that.  He had no role in the comics or the novels.

Let's face it, a random vampire historian who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time had a more significant role to play in the fate of the plane.  Come to think of it, so did those four goblins from Journey to the Eye, part 1.  And they all died without a word of dialogue!



Yeah. I thought from his flavor text that we'd get an interesting story about what it meant for him to lose his spark, but we really never saw anything. Don't get me wrong -- I find the story that did unfold much more interesting than Wangsty Black Character Wangsts About Having Less Power Than He Wants Baww (Bolas is already doing that anyway), but it did seem kind of odd that he supposedly was plotting this whole thing and yet (from what I've seen, though I didn't read the novels) he doesn't seem to have even so much as been in league with Bolas.

One thing I do want to know, for those who have read things I haven't... what in the Multiverse does Bolas think he's doing? As I understand the Eldrazi, they seek to consume everything. Which would seem to me to suggest they're not gonna stop at Zendikar (No one can eat just one!) So what purpose does releasing them serve for Bolas exactly? I can't imagine someone as canny as Bolas would be pulling a IF I CAN'T RULE THE MULTIVERSE THEN I WILL SEE IT ALL DEVOURED!!!, but neither can I imagine what he's trying to pull.

Do we know yet?
One thing I do want to know, for those who have read things I haven't... what in the Multiverse does Bolas think he's doing? As I understand the Eldrazi, they seek to consume everything. Which would seem to me to suggest they're not gonna stop at Zendikar (No one can eat just one!) So what purpose does releasing them serve for Bolas exactly? I can't imagine someone as canny as Bolas would be pulling a IF I CAN'T RULE THE MULTIVERSE THEN I WILL SEE IT ALL DEVOURED!!!, but neither can I imagine what he's trying to pull.

Do we know yet?

Nope, we don't, and that's part of the current stroyline suspense. My basic guess is that Bolas wanted to put a stress on good-aligned planeswalkers, turning their attention to the Eldrazi while he can somewhat observe the fight from afar and learn from it and, more importantly, do some evil plot elsewhere with less walkers likely to mess up with him. We'll probably have to wait until Scars of Mirrodin to see where this is going, but what I see coming is that Bolas is gonna use Tezzeret to set some plan in motion, probably in Mirrodin.
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One thing I do want to know, for those who have read things I haven't... what in the Multiverse does Bolas think he's doing? As I understand the Eldrazi, they seek to consume everything. Which would seem to me to suggest they're not gonna stop at Zendikar (No one can eat just one!) So what purpose does releasing them serve for Bolas exactly? I can't imagine someone as canny as Bolas would be pulling a IF I CAN'T RULE THE MULTIVERSE THEN I WILL SEE IT ALL DEVOURED!!!, but neither can I imagine what he's trying to pull.

Do we know yet?

Nope, we don't, and that's part of the current stroyline suspense. My basic guess is that Bolas wanted to put a stress on good-aligned planeswalkers, turning their attention to the Eldrazi while he can somewhat observe the fight from afar and learn from it and, more importantly, do some evil plot elsewhere with less walkers likely to mess up with him. We'll probably have to wait until Scars of Mirrodin to see where this is going, but what I see coming is that Bolas is gonna use Tezzeret to set some plan in motion, probably in Mirrodin.

What exactly happened to Tezz? Is he dead?

(yeah, I should probably just read novels at this point)
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