4/23/2010 LD: "Rise of the Eldrazi Common Knowledge"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Latest Developments, which goes live Friday morning on magicthegathering.com.
totally the totems.  umbras and spirit-dancers and hartebeests and lots of fun.  this is what i hope to experience.
Level up, but I would rather have wither.

I voted spawn tokens because I think they are the most versatile, you can chump block, swarm and accelerate your mana with them and they can be used to enable the eldrazi and to a lesser extent level up. And I guess totem armor and rebound as well if need be (ok, so I added those last two just to cover all the bases, but still: you could...)

Poll answer: Defenders =( why is it not there?

And if only Stalwart Shield-Bearers gave +0/+1 and trample =) That would be perfect in my Doran, the Siege Tower / Wakestone Gargoyle defender deck.
Poll answer: Defenders =( why is it not there?


This. Though I didn't get enough defenders to make them my Pre-release focus, it's the thing I was/am most excited about.

I think TML's dislike for that subtheme rubbed off on the poll...
My favorite two-card subtheme wasn't on the list:  Pauper gets a couple cards that aren't embarrassing to Exhume.
My favorite two-card subtheme wasn't on the list:  Pauper gets a couple cards that aren't embarrassing to Exhume.



Doesn't that fall under Colorless Eldrazi? =p
totally the totems.  umbras and spirit-dancers and hartebeests and lots of fun.  this is what i hope to experience.

Could it be that R&D is finally catching on to why auras almost always suck?
I thought for sure they would have figured it out ten years ago, when Rancor happened.

Or Thrull Retainer even. Still, auras need targets, and thus will always have an inherent problem of being dead in the hand at times. The Spiritdancer card is good and I do think there is a W/X enchantress deck brewing.

I picked Rebound. It's the one element of ROE that I would definitely like to see used again.

Poll answer: Defenders =( why is it not there?


Your answer from the article:
The defender theme largely fell flat for me



By the way, I love articles like this. And I voted for colorless Eldrazi. They are too different for leaving them behind.
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57817638 wrote:
I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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OH MY GOD
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
56874518 wrote:
Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
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But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
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Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
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totally the totems.  umbras and spirit-dancers and hartebeests and lots of fun.  this is what i hope to experience.

Could it be that R&D is finally catching on to why auras almost always suck?
I thought for sure they would have figured it out ten years ago, when Rancor happened.




I also chose totem armor. I think they've known about aura's and their suckiness for awhile now and have made an effort to avoid some of the drawbacks. They've put out quite a few that have been useful and are constantly finding new ways to make them decent (like totem armor). Here is an example of a few aura's (my picklist of aura's I like that are intended to boost your creatures) they've printed and what they've tried to make them more playable.

Ravnica Block
moldervine cloak - giving an aura good stats (+3+3 for 3 mana) and a good ability like dredge makes for a playable card
wurmweaver coil - It was too expensive to do anything but you can see there were things in place to attempt to make this card playable.
shielding plax - replaced itself and gave shroud.
flight of fancy - card advantage and even better with repeal more of a fun card though with the normal aura drawbacks and the effect being marginal (flying without even +1 +1)

Coldsnap
shape of the wiitigo - by making the ability a EtB effect you could combo it with bounce. In addition things like naturalize were pretty weak against this card.

Time Spiral Block
griffin guide - saw some play in both block and standard white weenie builds. Unlike most of the others here it is actually a decent option against WoG.  
verdant embrace - powerful effect and even if they destroyed it on their turn you still got a saproling

Lorwyn/Shadowmoor Block
epic proportions - flash is a serious upgrade. It makes this card more like a might of the oaks that stays with the creature after the turn ends.
reins of the vinesteed - all I can say here is they tried to make the enchantment more resiliant though it didn't work out very well. Basically it didn't have good stats for the mana cost so even with the ability it was underpowered.
armored ascension - While it didn't see much constructed play it is a powerful enough effect that it is playable in spite of the general drawbacks of most aura's
presence of gond - combo piece. The combo is vulnerable due to it being tied to a couple of enchantments and one being an aura makes it that much more vulnerable but if the combo is strong enough then players will find a way to make it happen so I like combo pieces in aura form.
shield of the oversoul (and the other hybrid mana auras) - great cards totally playable and very fun. I don't think any of them saw the top 8 of many tournaments but I have a couple of casual decks that use those cards to destroy people.

shards block
sigil of the nayan gods - cycling on an aura is great because like someone else mentioned one of the drawbacks is the inability to play it if you don't control a creature.

Zendikar block
gigantiform and goblin war paint - aggressively costed for their bonus it's like they finally figured out that aura's must have good stats and a good ability so for 2 mana you get +2+2 and haste or for 5 mana you get 8/8 trample.

So there has been a lot of innovation with auras leading up to totem armor but a couple of things I will mention

1st totem armor solves the issue that most of these other cards did not of wrath of god effects.

2nd the problem with all of these auras that totem armor fails to address and that is instant speed removal. For instance you cast boar umbra and I cast doom blade on your dude getting a 2 for 1. Some things that could be done here is a.) give the aura a split second variation so it can not be responded to or b.) give it a "when cast" ability like the eldrazi.

3rd the final aura drawback that is almost never addressed (and totem armor does nothing for) is the problem of not having any creatures. sigil of the nayan gods was great because you could just cycle it away if you had no targets but this is another major drawback to auras. Cycling is just one way to fix the problem.

So here is my solution to an aura that solves much of the problems that these other aura's have.

Perfect Aura 4G
enchantment-aura
split second
when you cast Perfect Aura draw a card and put a 1/1 green saproling creature token into play
Enchanted creature gets +2 +2 and indestructable
4G creaturecycling


Don't be too smart to have fun
Perfect Aura 4G
enchantment-aura
split second
when you cast Perfect Aura draw a card and put a 1/1 green saproling creature token into play
Enchanted creature gets +2 +2 and indestructable
4G creaturecycling



A good attempt, yes, but Auras need at least two of these three to be worthwhile:
  • Cheap - eggs-in-one basket Auras don't work when the target gets zapped before it resolves.

  • Effective - the Aura must do something considerable, making a Lego-kit creature overall much more awesome than just finding a creature card that does that stuff already.

  • No card disadvantage - Auras are almost always a two-for-one when the creature gets murdered.


...okay.  You did meet two of those criteria.  Hooray?

totally the totems.  umbras and spirit-dancers and hartebeests and lots of fun.  this is what i hope to experience.

Could it be that R&D is finally catching on to why auras almost always suck?
I thought for sure they would have figured it out ten years ago, when Rancor happened.


Figured out? They've known all along and theyre fine with it.
Totem Armour. I'd pay one mana to save my most important creatures anyday. The +1/+1 and first strike is just gravy.

Rebound is awesome too... everything else in RoE will be easily forgotten.
Totem Armour. I'd pay one mana to save my most important creatures anyday. The +1/+1 and first strike is just gravy.

Rebound is awesome too... everything else in RoE will be easily forgotten.



I don't think anyone is going to forget about a 15/15 flier. I mean as bad as he is people still talk about krosan cloudscraper because of his power and toughness. Also the defender subtheme and the spawn tokens have given this set an identity that will be remembered. Limited is so much different and because it has little to do with the enchantments, instants or sorceries in the set. Plus I don't think that rebound or totem armor are going to see much play after RoE rotates from standard. Even in standard there are only a handful of those spells that will actually see play. So when people think back on RoE they aren't going to say "thats where totem armor came out" or "that's where rebound came out". What they're going to say is "that's the set with the big creatures where you were casting 11 mana indestructable creatures and stuff and winning the game with defenders."

Like I said I really like totem armor (it was also what I voted for) I just don't think that it's super powerful. Or at least not powerful enough to be memorable in the way that the legendary eldrazi are.
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