Can a dominated creature be made to attack itself?

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As the title says, if you dominate a monster can you have it attack itself?


Yes.
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Can it be made to charge itself?

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Can it be made to charge itself?


No, since it doesn't start two squares away from the target.
Can it be made to charge itself?


No, since it doesn't start two squares away from the target.



What if the creature is Huge size or larger?!
Can it be made to charge itself?


No, since it doesn't start two squares away from the target.



What if the creature is Huge size or larger?!



What in the world does that have to do with anything?  It's still not two squares away from itself.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
Can it be made to charge itself?


No, since it doesn't start two squares away from the target.



What if the creature is Huge size or larger?!



What in the world does that have to do with anything?  It's still not two squares away from itself.


I guess it is in a way, but it is not two squares away from the nearest square from which it can attack itself, which is what matters.
Can it be made to charge itself?


No, since it doesn't start two squares away from the target.



What if the creature is Huge size or larger?!



What in the world does that have to do with anything?  It's still not two squares away from itself.



I'm not going to argue that it is.  I guess it just depends on whether you believe you can "be away from yourself" or not.  Like, my foot is about 5 or 6 feet from my hair. Am I 5 or 6 feet away from myself? 

It's a silly thing.  I was just making a (bad) joke.
Can it be made to charge itself?


No, since it doesn't start two squares away from the target.



What if the creature is Huge size or larger?!



What in the world does that have to do with anything?  It's still not two squares away from itself.


I guess it is in a way, but it is not two squares away from the nearest square from which it can attack itself, which is what matters.



If you agree that it is two squares away from itself, the it must also be two squares away from the nearest square from which it can attack itself, since that square is a square it already occupies, and if it is two squares away from itself, it must also be two squares away from the squares it is occupying.  It would need to move to one of those squares and then attack itself.

Right?
It's a silly thing.

Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?

It's a silly thing.

Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?



As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).

However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.
Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?



As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).

However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.


I suppose the target could still move at half-speed if it succeeds on a Strength check vs. its own Fort, and forcably move itself. ;) (Images of the target grabbing itself by the collar and yanking itself into the next square.) However, in such a case, it (or rather the dominator) couldn't then use the minor action required to sustain the grab. Tongue out
Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?



As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).

However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.


I suppose the target could still move at half-speed if it succeeds on a Strength check vs. its own Fort, and forcably move itself. ;) (Images of the target grabbing itself by the collar and yanking itself into the next square.) However, in such a case, it (or rather the dominator) couldn't then use the minor action required to sustain the grab. Tongue out



If it's dominated, I don't think it can use a move action to try to escape from itself.

EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about it pulling or pushing itself while moving after grabbing itself.  On that point, no, it could not. It is immobilized, so it can not pull itself (similar to if two creatures grabbed each other, they would both be immobilized and unable to drag each other around).
Can a dominated creature move to the edge of a cliff and then Bull Rush itself off of the cliff?

It would have to push itself one square away from itself... I don't know if that's possible.

EDIT: Bull Rush requires an adjacent target.
Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?



As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).

However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.


I suppose the target could still move at half-speed if it succeeds on a Strength check vs. its own Fort, and forcably move itself. ;) (Images of the target grabbing itself by the collar and yanking itself into the next square.) However, in such a case, it (or rather the dominator) couldn't then use the minor action required to sustain the grab.



If it's dominated, I don't think it can use a move action to try to escape from itself.

EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about it pulling or pushing itself while moving after grabbing itself.  On that point, no, it could not. It is immobilized, so it can not pull itself (similar to if two creatures grabbed each other, they would both be immobilized and unable to drag each other around).



A dominated creature is effectively dazed, meaning it can't take immediate actions which means it can't sustain a grab.


A dominated creature is effectively dazed, meaning it can't take immediate actions which means it can't sustain a grab.


Minor technical note: *Sustaining* a grab is a minor action, not an immediate action, which the dominating creature could theoretically command the target to still take.  However, upon further reflection, while a dominated creature could theoretically grab itself as a standard, it must then immediately let go of itself. The grab rules say that if you are affected by a condition that prevents you from taking opportunity actions (such as being dominated), you immediately let go of who you've grabbed. Which might be what you meant.
As the title says, if you dominate a monster can you have it attack itself?





Yes, unless the Power used only targets enemies. Knowing you're never an ally to yourself, i asusme you aren't an enemy of yours neighter. Laughing I know a concensus exists that you can change how you consider allies and enemies at any time you want, but not yourself 'd guess. Well, not for Dominating purposes i imagine. 

Charge is ambiguous on this. Charging one of your ally while forced to is something most DM i know allow. But i know some consider you can only Charge enemies because of the movement requirement notification included.


A dominated creature is effectively dazed, meaning it can't take immediate actions which means it can't sustain a grab.


Minor technical note: *Sustaining* a grab is a minor action, not an immediate action, which the dominating creature could theoretically command the target to still take.  However, upon further reflection, while a dominated creature could theoretically grab itself as a standard, it must then immediately let go of itself. The grab rules say that if you are affected by a condition that prevents you from taking opportunity actions (such as being dominated), you immediately let go of who you've grabbed. Which might be what you meant.



Little note. Dominate doesn't Dazed as per the Errata. But you can't effectively Sustain a grab while Dominated neighter for the reasons mentioned by Skole. It will break instantly since you can't take actions while under this condition.

Dominated
- You can’t take actions. Instead, the dominating creature chooses a single action for you to take on your turn: a standard, a move, or a minor action. The only powers it can make you use are at-will powers.
- You grant combat advantage and can’t flank.


 




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