3/30/2010 LI: "A Whole New World"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Limited Information, which goes live Tuesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
I am excited for a slower format.  More importantly, I am excited at the prospect that it might be less bomb/nut-draw dependent and more dependent on gaining incremental advantage, which is the type of environment that I love the most.  Of course, I recognize I'm severely in the minority, but I can dream...
Defenders matter... lol, awesome subtheme.

Reprint Wall of Blossoms, even if you have to make it blue. K, thanx.
I am excited for a slower format.  More importantly, I am excited at the prospect that it might be less bomb/nut-draw dependent and more dependent on gaining incremental advantage, which is the type of environment that I love the most.  Of course, I recognize I'm severely in the minority, but I can dream...



How exactly does slowing the format down make it less draw dependent? If anything it has the opposite effect as small common creatures will get outclassed more often and you are given more time to draw into your bombs. Drafting a good defender deck and losing because your oppoent first picked the butcher of truth and drafts a few mana accelerants seems pretty lame to me.

How exactly does slowing the format down make it less draw dependent?



It doesn't.  My second sentence wasn't meant to mean that it was implied by the first, only that the first made the second a better possibility, so the optimist in me was hoping for the latter.

What a slow environment does do is reduce the number of blowouts due to one player stumbling on mana at the beginning, or due to one player having a sick hand that puts any average hand way on their heals by turn 4.  Swingy games are uninteresting to me.
Defenders matter... lol, awesome subtheme.

Yes. It was lands matter, now it's walls matter. And perhaps everything matters.

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So far the 1/7 P/T switching dude is the only one that interests me in this set, and its in my 4th favourite colour. Gawd damn it!

What a slow environment does do is reduce the number of blowouts due to one player stumbling on mana at the beginning, or due to one player having a sick hand that puts any average hand way on their heals by turn 4.  Swingy games are uninteresting to me.


This. I don't draft much, and one of the reasons is that too many games (20-30% among players of reasonably matched skill?) are decided by mana flood or mana screw. When you're playing single elimination, that's too high a chance of being knocked out by things completely outside of your control.

Additionally, I love playing control. Not usually countermagic, mind you, but control in the form of defenders, tappers, bouncing attackers, making myself and my dudes untargetable, burning or destroying key threats, and so on, until I can buy the time to do whatever my deck's about - which might be turning all your creatures into sheep, or making you draw 18 cards then killing you for it. I'm the kind of Johnny whose decks are all about controlling the early game so that I have time to do my silly tricks later on.

So putting these things together, I think I may enjoy RoE a bit more than most sets.
Yeah, I love slow decks, and have a natural inclination to build decks that turn out to be slower than average, so the metagame slowing down is relevant to my interests.  In other news, the beginning of a red/green standard deck is slowly falling into place for me with these two guys, Onmath, Locus of Mana, obviously a bunch of other Defenders and maybe some crazy Eldrazi big bad as a finisher.
This set is looking really interesting as a contrast to what has come before.  I'd be a bit worried that a block where mana acceleration to massive bombs is the way to win would get old pretty quickly - but maybe they knew that and that's why we have it for just 5 months before the Fall set.  So basically I think it works out because it'll be fun while it lasts.  Looking forward to a slow board-control block - I'm done with beats and blowouts.

Will we see alternative win conditions?  The Cthulu aspect of Eldrazi could go with a milling sub-theme ie wizards going mad (Sarkhan for example)?  I can't see poison coming back here.  Maybe this could be a block for say a five card cycle of "You win the game" cards like Felidar Sovereign based on some obscure color-dependent win condition...
I'll admit to hating having to learn [read: lose a lot] that ZZW was a fast format, but building a set that intentionally drafts slow isn't going to be all that grand, if you ask me. Magic is about giving as many players as possible what they want, so I'm sure the aggressive deck option will be there.

'sides, can always "All is Dust" your board then giggle as my 2/2 goes the distance.

Yes yes all up for seeing new draft formats, but I'm hoping they didn't make another Coldsnap environment where it was purposely short because hey, "We're just gonna try some whacky stuff."

Not meant to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, just adding mah 2 cents.
but maybe they knew that and that's why we have it for just 5 months before the Fall set.

Still, it's Alara, not this set, that rotates out of Standard in the fall.

In my opinion, the Eldrazi were never overpowered, broken cards... but those two walls might well be.

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The walls aren't overpowered. They are almost good, however, and limited will like them. Hopefully they will increase the time limit of matches. Players are going to get sick of having half of their rounds go to time.
Pauper defender decks FTW?
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Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
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Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
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This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
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Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
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The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
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Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
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Wow, with walls this good, I suddenly don't feel so bad about winning with a single indestructible bomb.  It looks like in this format, Eldrazi will be the ONLY creatures capable of getting through for any damage. 
Well, I have been saying for years that brutally-efficient walls would be a good way to slow the game down.



Sorry about that, guys.
Wow, with walls this good, I suddenly don't feel so bad about winning with a single indestructible bomb.  It looks like in this format, Eldrazi will be the ONLY creatures capable of getting through for any damage. 



Well the Eldrazis and various green fatties, most notably our new friend Kalini Hydra.
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but maybe they knew that and that's why we have it for just 5 months before the Fall set.

Still, it's Alara, not this set, that rotates out of Standard in the fall.

In my opinion, the Eldrazi were never overpowered, broken cards... but those two walls might well be.





That depends how many defenders each color gets.
And don't forget about Perimeter Captain!
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Having games where you are given the chance to build up a pretty good defencsive stand instead of just trying to burn as fast as possible sounds great. Epic battles are always a lot more interesting then the "haha, I beat you in only X turns!" games...

... well, not always.


Can't wait - this set looks sweetness.


Having games where you are given the chance to build up a pretty good defencsive stand instead of just trying to burn as fast as possible sounds great. Epic battles are always a lot more interesting then the "haha, I beat you in only X turns!" games...


Obligatory insane conspiracy theory:

Wizards wants to slow the game down to a creature-stalemate crawl, just so people start seeing Cancel as an actual option against bigass Eladrazi monsters - then they can claim they were "right all along" when they gutted blue control.


Having games where you are given the chance to build up a pretty good defencsive stand instead of just trying to burn as fast as possible sounds great. Epic battles are always a lot more interesting then the "haha, I beat you in only X turns!" games...


Obligatory insane conspiracy theory:

Wizards wants to slow the game down to a creature-stalemate crawl, just so people start seeing Cancel as an actual option against bigass Eladrazi monsters - then they can claim they were "right all along" when they gutted blue control.


Reality check - if Blue control is a legitimate option, then it wasn't actually gutted?

Anyway, efficient walls slow down aggro.  Efficient lifegain slows down burn.  What slows down control?  There's not a lot you can do to countermagic and Wrath effects besides raise their casting costs.

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