3/18/2010 FtL: "Spring In Our Steps"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
I added a full four copies of Korlash, Heir to Blackblade, as he's the only Harrow-esque effect in black. When you discard a second Korlash for his Grandeur ability, Bloodghast will trigger twice, giving you two possible Highborn sacrifices.



I could be wrong, but I believe this doesn't work. The Bloodghast is a new object after it's put into play then sacrificed, so even though it's back in the graveyard the second trigger won't do anything... Anyone more knowledgable care to clarify whether this works?

EDIT: oops, double post.

I believe you are right

when the Bloodghast leaves the graveyard, it isn't the same object anymore
I was also confused when I read that statement
I believe you are right too. I also went to the boards to check if I missed something but I think he made a mistake.
Kamikazegerbil wrote: Coke Spill Level 1 Encounter Attack Power Trigger: You must be pouring yourself a drink Range: Close Blast 1D10 from Player Target: All creatures and objects within blast Attack: Any vs. Reflex Hit: 1d6 Fizzy damage and target is wet (save ends) Aftereffect: Target is sticky (save ends)
maybe he means returning 2 seperate bloodghasts from the GY with the double landfall.
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But you only need 1 landfall trigger to get both bloodghasts back. Beacuse they both trigger on the land coming into play.
Kamikazegerbil wrote: Coke Spill Level 1 Encounter Attack Power Trigger: You must be pouring yourself a drink Range: Close Blast 1D10 from Player Target: All creatures and objects within blast Attack: Any vs. Reflex Hit: 1d6 Fizzy damage and target is wet (save ends) Aftereffect: Target is sticky (save ends)
But you only need 1 landfall trigger to get both bloodghasts back. Beacuse they both trigger on the land coming into play.

ah, point taken.

do lands use the stack???
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playing a land during the main phase of your turn when the stack is empty (the way you normally play a land) doesn't use the stack.
So if during your main phase the stack is empty and you have priority and you play a land, nobody can respond and you maintain priority.

The triggered ability of the bloodghasts do use the stack.
Kamikazegerbil wrote: Coke Spill Level 1 Encounter Attack Power Trigger: You must be pouring yourself a drink Range: Close Blast 1D10 from Player Target: All creatures and objects within blast Attack: Any vs. Reflex Hit: 1d6 Fizzy damage and target is wet (save ends) Aftereffect: Target is sticky (save ends)
playing a land during the main phase of your turn when the stack is empty (the way you normally play a land) doesn't use the stack.
So if during your main phase the stack is empty and you have priority and you play a land, nobody can respond and you maintain priority.

The triggered ability of the bloodghasts do use the stack.

So the ability noted in the article of bringing in two swamps will use the stack?

Meaning you could sac a bloodghast, return him with first land, sac him a second time and return him with second land.. so the guys theory would work...

amirite?

I base this off amulet of vigor, if you have 2x amulet of vigor on the BF, and you play a manland, it comes in untapped, taps itself for mana, then uses the stack to untap itself thanks to 2nd amulet.

Magic sure is confusing sometimes O-o
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The ability will use the stack but you can't use that the way you think you can.

The ability itsself puts 2 lands into play at the same time which does give you 2 triggers per bloodghast in the graveyard. But if you let the first trigger resolve and bloodghast returns to play, the second trigger becomes useless because the game doesn't recognize that bloodghast anymore as being the same one who was triggered earlier.

Compare it to somebody trying to terror your creature and in response you play Momentary Blink. The terror doesn't happen anymore because your creature has switched zones and since then has become a different object for the game.

Amulet of vigor does work like you think it does because the land doesn't change zones in between the resolution of triggers. It is the zone changing that can be confusing but you could think of it like this: The game sees something somewhere (a card in play, your hand, your graveyard) as an object that came to that place at a certain time in the game. If it leaves that zone and goes somewhere else and comes back again, it doesn't recognize it as the exact same card with the same triggers and effects on it as before it left because to the game it came to that zone at another time (making it different).

Kamikazegerbil wrote: Coke Spill Level 1 Encounter Attack Power Trigger: You must be pouring yourself a drink Range: Close Blast 1D10 from Player Target: All creatures and objects within blast Attack: Any vs. Reflex Hit: 1d6 Fizzy damage and target is wet (save ends) Aftereffect: Target is sticky (save ends)

The ability will use the stack but you can't use that the way you think you can.

The ability itsself puts 2 lands into play at the same time which does give you 2 triggers per bloodghast in the graveyard. But if you let the first trigger resolve and bloodghast returns to play, the second trigger becomes useless because the game doesn't recognize that bloodghast anymore as being the same one who was triggered earlier.

Compare it to somebody trying to terror your creature and in response you play Momentary Blink. The terror doesn't happen anymore because your creature has switched zones and since then has become a different object for the game.

Amulet of vigor does work like you think it does because the land doesn't change zones in between the resolution of triggers. It is the zone changing that can be confusing but you could think of it like this: The game sees something somewhere (a card in play, your hand, your graveyard) as an object that came to that place at a certain time in the game. If it leaves that zone and goes somewhere else and comes back again, it doesn't recognize it as the exact same card with the same triggers and effects on it as before it left because to the game it came to that zone at another time (making it different).


got it.

atleast now I can understand where they've gone wrong now, and will know not to make a similar mistake.
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I wonder how that Walls deck would be if we snuck in Doran?  You could do without the Cradle, since most of your creatures would get a huge "bump" from Doran.

Blitz Hellion
Selective Memory
Treasure Hunt
Conflagrate

It'd be a R/u/g deck.  Eventually you'd be replaying Hellion every turn.  But before that you'd have a turn in which you Treasure Hunt'ed your hand full of 10 or 20 lands plus that Conflagrate.  You'd play the Conflagrate for whatever you can.  Then flash it back by discarding 12 or 13 lands.  (You can even get it into your graveyard by paying 0 for X, thus you'd need + .  Anything else is bonus.)

Next turn, if they aren't dead yet, you'd start the Blitz.

Why no Draco instead of the wurm in the last deck? It actually costs more mana...
And I liked the decks, nice ideas. If there were a way to turn the last deck into an endless machine gun, returning the exiled cards to your library.
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