3/17/2010 StF: "Gods and Monsters"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Savor the Flavor, which goes live Wednesday on magicthegathering.com.
Ah, I get it now.
They went from James Cameron's Avatar into H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos.

A flavor defense of Ice Cage: 

The ice cage is sensitive to distortions in the way mana bends around it. So the way the ice cage works is it locks in an image of the mana distortions in place, and then freezes it just as it is. When you change a creatures color, you're changing the way the mana of the world curves around it, essentially changing the image that the ice cage is using.

This runs into an error in the coding of the ice cage, and it shatters. When you equip a sword to a creature, you're thrusting a new magical object onto the target. This magical object, again, affects the way mana curves around an object, and messes with the coding of your ice cage. The image that the ice cage works with vanishes, and so does the ice cage.

You can remedy this by casting a new ice cage, thus altering the "coding" the ice cage has, until of course... someone targets it again and alters the image. 

 

I'll give the writing team credit, this is a fantastic twist on the old tropes.
I am really excited to see what this set holds. Great writing guys!
So, we've seen Kozilek, but the third legendary Eldrazi will be even more powerful? I'm excited to see that one! XD
But I'm excited to see all of RoE. It'll be epic. (again) =D

And maybe, on the defense of Ice Cage, he has learned his manners. ''Eh What?''. Manners. People don't like it when they point fingers at someone. So does Ice Cage, only he's a little more afraid of it. So if someone targets the creature within Ice Cage, mr. Cage thinks he is pointed at, and shivers in fear, then falls apart. (*note: This is probably not to be taken seriously.)

You can remedy this by casting a new ice cage, thus altering the "coding" the ice cage has, until of course... someone targets it again and alters the image.



What if the spell targeting the Ice Caged creature is counterspelled? Per the game rules, that means none of its effects happened, so why does that still break the cage?


You can remedy this by casting a new ice cage, thus altering the "coding" the ice cage has, until of course... someone targets it again and alters the image.



What if the spell targeting the Ice Caged creature is counterspelled? Per the game rules, that means none of its effects happened, so why does that still break the cage?




Following the logic of the post, the attempt of casting the spell warps the mana just enough to shatter the cage.
That's so cool !

Three powerful planeswalkers—a dragon called Ugin, a stone-shaping lithomancer about whom little is known, and a vampire known as Sorin Markov—came to Zendikar's aid


Fiers, the dwarf planeswalker venerated as a god by the dwarves and barbarians of Otaria!


 


...sorry, I had to say this.

[<o>]
[smug mode]I so nailed it that the Eldrazi are the basis of the Zendikar gods. [/smug mode]

I cant wait for this set. :D

~ Tim
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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
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That makes no sense to me. If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed? ~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch. YAY COLOR IDENTITY
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Is algebra really that difficult?
Survey says yes.
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You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
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And no judge will ever give you a game loss for playing snow covered lands.
I now have a new goal in life. ;)
Great article !! The argument was incredible - at least to me, ´cause I´m Christian, I have my faith and can´t even figure out this situation in real life. Incredible !!

NOW, RoE has caught my attention. Thank you a lot Mr. Beyer. =)

One doubt only: If Markov was alive as a planeswalker thousands of years ago, his planeswalker spark was the "original" one? Like those posessed by Urza, Teferi and the others true planeswalkers before the "Mending"? If so...on RoE he´s far weaker than he was once, right? Thanks...

JV
Aha. When Kozilek was first spoiled, people immediately guessed that he was the long-dormant inspiration for the mer god Cosi. It did seem the most obvious explanation - it's a pretty natural/common version of SealedEvilInACan to have some current race's gods turn out to be long-dormant beings from another world, often of immense evil (SufficientlyAdvancedAlien is the trope for it). So it's almost disappointing that Wizards went for this obvious route. But it's still going to be fun to see how the rest of this story plays out. The most interesting tidbit for me in this article was that Ugin was a planeswalker, though the most interesting tidbit from the forum thread is the possibility of a dwarf planeswalker :D
So what role do the vampires play, here? Are they agents of Sorin? Are they the remnants of the brood lineages? Are they just supplying a cheap 1-3 mana cost race in black? Please say it's all three!

If the Eldrazi are native to the Blind Eternities, does that mean that they are able to live there between plane-munching, or are they just able to planeswalk? Do they have a planeswalking "spark"? If they can live in the Blind Eternities, does that mean that planeswalkers can get nabbed and eaten while 'walking?

Does "thousands of years ago" mean before the Dominarian rifts? If so, do the planeswalkers stand a chance now that they're no longer near-omnipotent?

Does the fact that the "lock" is called the Eye of Ugin mean that Ugin somehow sacrificed himself (or part of himself) to seal away the Eldrazi?

So many questions...

On a side note, I really hope that the Zendikar novel is well-written, as I could definitely enjoy reading about this storyline. It makes me wish that they still ran the three-novels-per-block method.

It's nice to have some official confirmation to all the rumors floating around. This is exactly the type of material I'd like this column to cover. Good one, Mr. Beyer!

[smug mode]I so nailed it that the Eldrazi are the basis of the Zendikar gods. [/smug mode]

I cant wait for this set. :D

~ Tim



You and me both Tim.. The british were on the ball
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Great article.  I'm really interesting in RoE as well now.
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In some of the pre-release art for RoE, we are shown a man riding atop a dragon. Could one of the Planeswalker cards in RoE be Ugin?

RoE Sleeves - Ugin?

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If the Eldrazi are native to the Blind Eternities, does that mean that they are able to live there between plane-munching, or are they just able to planeswalk? Do they have a planeswalking "spark"? If they can live in the Blind Eternities, does that mean that planeswalkers can get nabbed and eaten while 'walking?

Does "thousands of years ago" mean before the Dominarian rifts? If so, do the planeswalkers stand a chance now that they're no longer near-omnipotent?

Does the fact that the "lock" is called the Eye of Ugin mean that Ugin somehow sacrificed himself (or part of himself) to seal away the Eldrazi?

So many questions...

On a side note, I really hope that the Zendikar novel is well-written, as I could definitely enjoy reading about this storyline. It makes me wish that they still ran the three-novels-per-block method.



Indeed, I want those questions answered as well! >_<

In some of the pre-release art for RoE, we are shown a man riding atop a dragon. Could one of the Planeswalker cards in RoE be Ugin?

RoE Sleeves - Ugin?



I doubt it. Ugin himself was a dragon. Not someone riding a dragon. But the art you've just shown could be a reference to Sarkahn Vol, since it is told that he will be definately be in RoE.
Not to beat the dead horse here, but...

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Just sayin.

I really like the way this is turning out... these Eldrazi are making me wish that Krosan Drover was still legal in limited... XD



 
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If the Eldrazi are native to the Blind Eternities, does that mean that they are able to live there between plane-munching, or are they just able to planeswalk? Do they have a planeswalking "spark"? If they can live in the Blind Eternities, does that mean that planeswalkers can get nabbed and eaten while 'walking?


Spark? Hardly. They're creature cards, not planeswalkers.


Onomnoming planeswalkers? Crazy awesome!


Does "thousands of years ago" mean before the Dominarian rifts? If so, do the planeswalkers stand a chance now that they're no longer near-omnipotent?


Probably, yes, pre-Time Spiral. Maybe pre-Thran, as it was speculated that Ugin is the unknown dragon-planeswalker that created Phyrexia.


If they stand a chance? Well, at least now we have five or six of them (Sorin, Nissa, Jace, Gideon, and Sarkhan, with Chandra leaving the plane at the end of Awakenings).



Does the fact that the "lock" is called the Eye of Ugin mean that Ugin somehow sacrificed himself (or part of himself) to seal away the Eldrazi?


Maybe. We can see a spectral dragon around Sarkhan in that image; Ugin himself (or said part of him) is now awaken, too? Remember, Ghostfire calls him the "spiritual dragon".



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However, those odd examples indicate a strength of the game, not a weakness. A properly flavorful card is a sweet spot between flavor and game complexity. It's not a failing that ice cage is broken by things other than bonesplitters, quietus spikes, and targeted spells with Fire in their names—those lines of text would make the card and the game's rules needlessly complex and unfun, and arguably still wouldn't get across the flavor of a cage of ice any better than the targeting trigger (and I doubt such specific conditions would make people enjoy flavor). A stylish, simple line of text is easy to remember, fast to play, and more fun than a litany of drawbacky flavor clauses.


Sure, there will always be times when you can come up with nonsensical flavor situations, but that's an indication of the beauty and freedom of the game. We write the text on the spells, but you get to decide how to cast them.



doug beyer, i could kiss you. i take back everything bad i've ever said about you. you get it, and i thank you, sir.


[smug mode]I so nailed it that the Eldrazi are the basis of the Zendikar gods. [/smug mode]

I cant wait for this set. :D

~ Tim



i told you that you were wrong, but you were not. congratulations, sir. your supremacy is clear. [sad there is no hat tipping smiley]

Great article !! The argument was incredible - at least to me, ´cause I´m Christian, I have my faith and can´t even figure out this situation in real life.



uh...what are you talking about?


Great article !! The argument was incredible - at least to me, ´cause I´m Christian, I have my faith and can´t even figure out this situation in real life.



uh...what are you talking about?




Oh! I mean, for the Zendikar natives shall be a nemesis to live with this new reality: their gods were, in fact, monsters; a situation like this could blow the entire civilization up...

...I was comparing them to me (and other Christian people also) for example. Our society probably could not resist if Jesus was declared as a mortal with no shadow of doubt - centuries of a "fake" faith. This is what I tried to say...
=)

JV
In response to Johnny_Vintage, I think that the difference between the two situations is that a coincidence of naming is hardly proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. Keep in mind that the natives of Zendikar are going to have no clue what these things are- they may not ever even know their names, if the Eldrazi speak a different language or aren't intelligent enough to speak (I'm still not sure if these things are supposed to be mindless world-devouring beasts or intelligent planar conquerors). Even if the Eldrazi do communicate their names, and someone remarks on the resemblance, most devout worshippers are going to assume that the Eldrazi are named after the gods, not the other way around. Doug Beyer knows that this isn't true, but the kor and merfolk could go right on believing in their gods without a problem- they may even interpret the arrival of the Eldrazi (and the increased volatility of the land leading up to them) as punishment from the gods, with each Eldrazi bearing the name of the god from which it was sent.

Now, there will probably be some heretical groups forming as people ask "What if...", but I doubt there would be a widespread rejection of faith.
zendikar book is coming out on april 6th but there is no word on it on the website. come on wizards, you need to advertise it
Oh! I mean, for the Zendikar natives shall be a nemesis to live with this new reality: their gods were, in fact, monsters; a situation like this could blow the entire civilization up...

...I was comparing them to me (and other Christian people also) for example. Our society probably could not resist if Jesus was declared as a mortal with no shadow of doubt - centuries of a "fake" faith. This is what I tried to say...
=)

While this is not the place for a discussion of religion or politics, I would like to note that I don't think this would lead to the collapse of our civilization at this time. Not that it's likely to happen the way Star Trek V or The Da Vinci Code presented the notion.

While it's true that the vast majority of Americans do profess the Christian faith, it's also true that many American Christians belong to churches without a strong theological commitment to the inerrancy of Scripture. Even in the absence of any definitive evidence, they have no problem with the Old Testament being cobbled together by priests who buried the original socially liberating and feminist religious tradition of the Jewish people, or with the only authentic record of Jesus being the Gospel of Thomas.

So many Christians are already living in a world with a "fake" Jesus. Then, there is also the fact that those teachings of Jesus which are most broadly acknowledged by our society - the Sermon on the Mount, for example - have the virtue of standing up on their own merits. Those teachings of Jesus which are more in need of an appeal to supernatural authority aren't part of the broad social consensus which tends to lump Christianity together with what has been called the "American civil religion".

And most of those who would have trouble coping with "proof" that Jesus wasn't the Christ are perfectly capable of ignoring any such alleged proof. Some of them are young-Earth Creationists, after all. And there's nothing really irrational about not taking the word of people you don't trust.

Anyone who tries to bring down our civilization by pulling the stunt of the Devil's Island prisoner in the Irving Wallace novel "The Word" will find he has wasted his time.

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Wonderfull article Mr. Beyer!

I doubt it. Ugin himself was a dragon. Not someone riding a dragon. But the art you've just shown could be a reference to Sarkahn Vol, since it is told that he will be definately be in RoE.


Nah, Sarkahn is here, second booster. By the way, I believe that the Eldrazi in the third booster is the "strongest one".
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57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
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Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
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Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
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I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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OH MY GOD
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
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The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
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Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
Doug Beyer:
But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
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Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
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[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
And most of those who would have trouble coping with "proof" that Jesus wasn't the Christ are perfectly capable of ignoring any such alleged proof. Some of them are young-Earth Creationists, after all. And there's nothing really irrational about not taking the word of people you don't trust.



and even the ones who accept evolution and other elements of science and logic have no trouble simultaneously accepting parts of their religion as absolute truth when they have no proof of them. the idea that they would continue to accept these things as fact when presented with evidence against them isn't much different than accepting them without any evidence. they're not really paying attention to evidence in the first place.
A theory on Ob Nix.

My theory in a nutshell:

Ob Nix was the third planeswalker of the party. Being a stonemancer (or whatever) he attempted to make the prison for the Eldrazi, while Ugin attempted to make the lock. I haven't figured out what Sorin did. In his attempt to make the prison, the land stole his spark. This would partially explain his quote, and affiliation to landfall.

Even more crazy theorizing:
The revealed art for the new planeswalker is Ob Nix - Redeemed! On the eldrazi release Ob regains his spark. but probably not.

Any LoreMancers out there able to Justify/Destroy?
Even more crazy theorizing:
The revealed art for the new planeswalker is Ob Nix - Redeemed! On the eldrazi release Ob regains his spark. but probably not.


Which art? The one we already know is Gideon, the one that's obviously Sarkhan, or another one that I'm not aware of?

[<o>]
I did not realize Gideon was confirmed.