For public RPGA events, you are not a public coordinator if you exclude people. The cardinal sin in the RPGA is for a person to show up to play at a Public RPGA event and they don't get to play at all.
When any of the above happens, a coordinator is going to have to conduct some form of triage, and, unfortuantely, possibly have to turn someone away.
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You would just need restrictions (play up or down no more than 3 levels above your level) about crossing back across Tier boundries. (i.e an 11th level character could not drop down and play an APL 8 or APL 10 module but if a 9th or 10th level felt comfortable doing so they could play an APL 12 module. This would also work if the new player at 1st level wants to play with a group and they are all 5th 6th or 7th level they could agree to play an module at APL 4.
Considering you wouldnt have 4-7 modules any longer that isnt a problem and your problem was the GM not the module.As it is now 1-4 modules are basically APL2 (low) and APL4 (high) and 4-7 modules are basically APL6 9 (low) and APL8 (high). So that 1st level character would not be playing in a 4-7 module as you say.
And working together as a group to the benefit of all in the group isnt fun to you?
I cant recall the number of times I survived or didnt survive playing up in LG.And working together as a group to the benefit of all in the group isnt fun to you?
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I have unfortunately had to play a 3rd level character in a level 4-7 module played on High twice just so tables could make . And I was a Great Weapon Fighter and had no problems really. Its all about knowing how to play your character and how to work with your team.
That exact same player is going to have that exact same problem whether he is playing an APL 2, 4 or 6 or 20 module. The problem you are describing is a problem with the player.
But with the APL system they could all play and the table could make because they could all play the module at APL4.
They do have a choice - they can have new characters to play. Sure, they might not enjoy playing new characters, but they'll come back knowing that they will eventually play that 4-7 mod. The player new to LFR might wonder at the stupidity of it and decide to not come back.
Because writing up first level character number 20 is soooo much fun.
They do have a choice - they can have new characters to play. Sure, they might not enjoy playing new characters, but they'll come back knowing that they will eventually play that 4-7 mod. The player new to LFR might wonder at the stupidity of it and decide to not come back.Because writing up first level character number 20 is soooo much fun.
Why make the others make all brand new characters and put off playing module X when if we had the APL system they could still play the module and so could the Joe Noob?
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[W]ith the APL's there could be anyone from 1st thru 7th level also playing at the table.
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[W]ith the APL's there could be anyone from 1st thru 7th level also playing at the table.And this sounds like a good thing to anyone? A 7th level character has about +6 to his attacks and AC, and more than double the hit points. How is a writer supposed to make adventures that challenge the higher level character without being immediate auto-death for the second?
If its the only way for the 1st level player or the 7th level player to be able to play, I am sure that either one would rather play than not play.
If its the only way for the 1st level player or the 7th level player to be able to play, I am sure that either one would rather play than not play.Sometimes, but more often then not, that is not the case. I have refused more then enough tables in LG, leaving me with nothing to do. Nothing is worse then being ineffective a couple of hours in my experience....
Nothing is worse then being ineffective a couple of hours in my experience....
I think it may make sense to stretch the current APL system to be a little more inclusive if everyone at the table agrees to it, but there should be some limit. A character a single level below the target range can probably still contribute and have fun. A first level character trying to play epic level games probably wouldn't last a round of combat.
Having characters 3 levels apart play together is pushing things.