"Be careful to choose your enemies well. Friends don't much matter. But the choice of enemies is very important."
- Oscar Wilde
-No, there isn't a complete index of flags and heralrdy out there. A long time ago, once upon a time, myself, GothicDan (who you may or may not know, I don't know), and two or three others began compiling what was already in existance, and shooting ideas as to fill in the blanks. The thread has since disappeared, but nothing much ever came of that- my only lasting memories are of the Tantras banner being pretty cool (having been drawn and colorized by Zevox? I don't recall...) and of a few people who no longer post here "yelling" at us for trying to create our own canon, and then trying to pass it off to the rest of the community as something that should be viewed upon as valid.
HAND OF KARSUS!
Just post 'em uncoloured then.
So you and Dan got flamed for having fun?
I could swear I've seen a color image of the flaming fist logo...... somewhere, or did I get it off the old Baldur's gate pc-game map via a scanner?oh-well if it was the latter it is long since gone via a hard drive swap.
HERALDRY OF THE DALES by Ed Greenwood/April 2000/Copyright © 2000 Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Herewith, details of the arms of the Dales (a modern real-world herald would probably consider these, by their construction and everyday Dales usage, as 'badges'):
Archendale: "the star and broken crown" (star white with silver points, crown segments of gold, field is scarlet or, in older depictions, crimson; if as a pennant, field has a dagged silver border)
Battledale: "the mace, broken spear, and chain" (black mace, brown spear with steel [=dull silver] point, bright silver chain, all on a field of scarlet; if as a pennant, field has a dagged purple border)
Daggerdale: "the ring and dagger" (has changed over the years, being at one time gold ring, gold dagger with an emerald snake-eye and a scarlet forked tongue, all on a lush green field, but nowadays usually ring and dagger both of a single pewter [=dull silver] hue, on a royal blue field; as Merrydale, this region's badge was "the holly ring;" a circle of nine red holly berries on a leaf-green field, the field always being round, and bordered in blue)
Deepingdale: "the three coins" (usually silver top left, gold lower center, copper upper right, but sometimes in the past they've been all gold or all silver-but in any case, always on a field of forest green; note that although the Grand Tour book depicts three coins in a level row, overlapping from the right and with the largest coin in the center, this usage is old and seldom seen: usually the coins are arranged like a Mickey Mouse-head silhouette [sorry for the image, folks], with two equal-sized coins at upper right and upper left both overlapping a lower, larger central coin-and the coins always have abstract, unreadable decorations on them of mounted men and lettering and crowns and the like, left to the artist but never to exactly depict anyone's coinage-although Sembian artists slyly duplicate their own coins, to assert their claim to 'owning the dales'-and never to all be the same, because they're supposed to represent the coins of many places, spent in the dale in appreciation of its craftwork)
Featherdale: "the river, moon, and feather" (a black feather, usually said to be that of a 'black falcon,' though Sembians always say it's a crow, in front of a white crescent moon [it just LOOKS like a circle :}] with edges of silver, and a river of silver running away to the lower right, always on a deep brown field; if as a pennant, field has a scalloped crimson border)
Harrowdale: "the sword and manche" (the sword is always depicted with its blade shaped like the badge that appears in the Grand Tour book of the 2E Realms boxed set, and is always of gleaming silver-set with glass shards or mirror glass or spell-sparkle if possible, to make it gleam-with a crimson grip; the 'manche' [a stylised sleeve, appearing in the arms in this case to commemorate a long-ago human warrior hacking off one arm of 'an elven witch' to prevent her spells from blasting him off his chosen ground; in other words, it grandly depicts a forceful human seizure of the region from the elves] is always crimson or "blood-red," and the field is always amber or "flame orange")
The High Dale: "the harp" (the stylized bardic instrument is said to be a faithful rendering of one played at the Dancing Place, in 720 DR, at the formal founding of the Harpers, and is always depicted in white, with strings-and the air between them-of vivid [shimmering metallic, whenever possible] green, on a field of sky blue; if as a pennant, the field has a border of emerald green separated from the sky blue by thin white piping)
Mistledale: "the blowing horses" (horseheads and the 'bridle' beneath them are of white, with the vapor of their breath being depicted as two arrowhead-shapes of gold, with white 'smoke lines' amid them, on a field of light [almost lime, but a trifle darker] green)
Scardale: "the triumph" (originally scarlet, on a dun [beige] field, but more recently (last century) has been depicted as cream on a light [again, almost lime, but a trifle darker] green field; Lashan changed it to gold on a dark green field, a coloration abandoned at his disappearance)
Shadowdale: "the moon and tower" (always a spiral tower of silver, in front of a crescent moon, on its back, of silver, on a royal blue field that's always oval, and bordered in silver; if as a pennant, this badge will appear on a larger, unbordered field of forest green)
From time to time, Dalesfolk have used a 'common' Dales recognition badge, usually when far from home, but sometimes on the battlefield, and it's always been a "green branch:" an upright, trident-shaped brown branch that splits into three 'balanced' [=mirror image] branches, surrounded by an irregular halo or field of leaf green.
So who wants to help me color the Dale heraldry? Ive already started on Deepingdale, was just going to use magic markers but it just didnt look right, colored pencils might be better. Right now im just using MS paint, well see how it comes out.
So what did these individuals think of the Candlekeep Compendium? Or was that after their time around here? Thus you wouldn't know of their opinion about the Candlekeep Compendium?
Pic isn't working for me, Brian
Mmm, irony. I can probably guess without being told, hah.
So what did these individuals think of the Candlekeep Compendium? Or was that after their time around here? Thus you wouldn't know of their opinion about the Candlekeep Compendium?-It's sweet irony. If you want to know, PM me.
Something like this, Silversword?Sloppy, but the best I could do without redrawing everything by hand at a larger size.
Well, they do get around those Brits...
Skeptical_Clown wrote:More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
104340961 wrote: Pine trees didn't unanimously decide one day that leaves were gauche.
I'm defenatly in, on cataloging some crests/banners/symbols. If I can be of any help let me know. (plz make it a steeky thread so it wont be lost in the future.)