Vong-Craft-Lightsaber (PEACH)

    So I got to thinking the other night about Vong-tech, Lambent crystals and Lightsabers.

(As per wookipedia)-
Lambent was a type of crystal harvested by the Yuuzhan Vong. Lambents were the fruits of a certain Yuuzhan Vong plant. Lambent fields gave fruit when they were located on the surface of a planet or in a gravitational field created by dovin basals. For some reason, lambent plants did not give fruit when placed in an artificial gravity well, such as interdiction fields existing on starships or space stations; but this can be attributed to New Republic disinformation to the Yuuzhan Vong.


When ready for harvesting, the lambent would be cut from a milky sac hidden behind the leaves of the plant that grew it. Before cutting off the lambent, the harvester-or his helper, usually a non-Yuuzhan Vong slave-would have to calm the plant by touching it in a slow manner. Lambents were used as communication crystals or light sources, as they could be dimmed or brightened by the thoughts of whoever possessed them


History


Anakin Solo encountered lambent-bearing plants on a field on Yavin 4 while in Yuuzhan Vong captivity. Solo used a personally-harvested lambent as a lightsaber crystal. Because he became "attached" to his lambent, he was able to use the crystal as a conduit to vaguely sense any Yuuzhan Vong around him.


After the Second Battle of Coruscant, the beaten New Republic forces on Borealis supplied false information to the Yuuzhan Vong that stated they were growing lambents to equip more members of the New Jedi Order with the creatures to attune themselves to the enemy. Furthermore, the misinformation stated that lambents were being grown by the New Republic to power superlasers.


Presumably, the organisms were integrated into the life on Zonama Sekot.


In 137 ABY, Master Shaper Nei Rin gave Kol Skywalker's lightsaber to Cade Skywalker, which contained a lambent crystal of her shaping. 


   So this is the Idea [keep in mind, this is not to a common devise, rather a rare / possibly legacy Item concept]: By being Force Sensitive and in the company of the Vong (as Vergere was), you could probably not get away with toting around a lightsaber at all, but if you are a crafty baztard- it may be possible to work with what is available.


    Below is an idea for lightsaber construction that would be almost impossible for a Force User to exercise without....
A.) Having spent at least a couple years with the Vong
B.) Trained in Physical Sci and or Galactic Lore
C.) Must have built at least one lightsaber prior to attempting this.

   So the Idea is to build a non-mechanical lightsaber, thus not having access to a portable power source, let alone a fancy lightsaber power supply.

   Considering their may not be a good "Electric Eel-like candidate" to function as a Vong-craft power supply, what can we do with the Force and a Lambent crystal?


   My First thought was to create a talent...but I didn't want to dump all this on Dread_P's contest, so instead....lets let it be a community effort.


I still think this should be a talent, but I wanted to run it through the you guys- the think tank.

   What if you could (as a Move Action) spend a Force Point and expend a certain Force Power to fuel a Vong-Craft-Lightsaber. The idea is that you actually roll the result of the Force point to determine the duration of the Lightsabers activation time in rounds. (1d6 + con mod= the number of rounds your lightsaber can remain active before you need to spend another force point)


   In this way- since "You" are powering the weapon, your strength in the force should relate to the potency of your Vong-Craft-Lightsaber. This idea is modeled after how level dependant Force Point uses is gauged. So if you are....


Level 1-7, your weapon deals 1d6
Level 8-14, your weapon deals 2d6
Level 15+, your weapon deal 3d6
Strong in the Force ? You deal d8s instead of d6s
Power of the Dark Side- you deal an additional die of damage (this one may be too much, I don't know yet)



Since you must activate the Vong-Craft-Lightsaber with a Force Point AND a Force Power, we can tinker with a variation on how different powers might affect this system.

Activating Power, Saber color, Damage variation, and possibly a special effect ( ? )


Power--------__Color---Damage---------___---Special
Hatred                Red             Force                    Dark side
Lightning           Purple          Force                    Dark side
Corruption        Brown           Force                    Dark side + heal half damage inflicted
F Blast              Lt. Blue         Bludg ?                 Neutral
Cryokinesis      Drk Blue        Cold                      Neutral
Combustion      Orange         Fire                       Neutral
F Light               White          Stun                      Light side
Vital Transfer      Gold           Stun                      Light side + heal half damage inflicted


These are a few ideas; some are a stretch I will agree.
By Spending a Force Point and using certain Force Powers to "fire-up" this type of lightsaber- you create an option for unique variations. So people, masterminds, rules layers, hecklers, and dear community members- what do you think?


  


Disclaimer-Sorry guys...I'm a typo a minute today. I blame it on being stuck at work when I should be on safari in beautiful downtown- 1 more hour and counting...

While I like the idea, it seems overly complicated. Mind if I come up with an different set of rules for a Vong-craft Lightsaber?

From my Technological Terrors guide.


            Lambent:  Lambent crystals are the fruits of Yuuzhan Vong plants.  These crystals are alive, remaining so even after being harvested from the plant that bore them.  Telepathic like some other Yuuzhan Vong creations, lambents emit light according to the thoughts of whoever holds one, functioning as portable light sources for the Yuuzhan Vong.  They can also be integrated into larger shapings as glowing indicators or controls.  If a Jedi can attune it in the way of other lightsaber crystals (a difficult task, as the crystal appears to not exist in the Force) a lambent makes a fine focusing crystal for a lightsaber, equivalent to Adegan Mephite.  The lambent crystal will create a blade of nearly any color, responding to its owner’s personality.  The crystal may even change colors over time, as its owner’s personality changes.  Lambent crystals also provide a new benefit to the Jedi who attunes them. . . they allow him to sense, dimly, the Yuuzhan Vong and their technology.  The character may use sense-based Force powers and talents against the Yuuzhan Vong, although at a –5 penalty.


 

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Jedi Academy has Lambent Crystal rules.

I don't think the purpose is to write new rules for the Lambent, but to come up with something for a lightsaber made entirely out of Vong materials- tube, power cell, crystal, and all. I've got a few ideas, but the squirrel cage needs a few more rotations before it can kick something out.


I've got a few ideas, but the squirrel cage needs a few more rotations before it can kick something out.




I'm SO going to have to remember that for the next time my friends and I start joking about dead hamsters and zombie gerbils.

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I think it is probably overly complicated and overly expensive to ignite.


I'd probably say it works just like a normal lightsaber with a lambent (sp?) crystal.  To make one you need to be trained in Treat Injury or Life Sciences and be familiar with Vong Biotech.  Maybe borrow some ideas for it from legacy weapons if you want it to be a destiny-equivalent thing to build, but beyond that I wouldn't make it crazy-hard to ignite or anything like that.


Hmm, maybe have it be considered :droidified: for free (though the droid cannot attack with the weapon).  Obviously it can't use droid components or anything like that since it is actually a creature not a droid (I just meant similar stats).  This gives it the recognition upgrade (or whatever that one is called that can identify the user) for free and this can't be bypassed except by making a DC 50 deception check (deception is so much easier to boost than Use Computer, and this creature is alive, so I upped the DC a ton).

 


Welcome all-


"While I like the idea, it seems overly complicated. Mind if I come up with an different set of rules for a Vong-craft Lightsaber?"
To 603: Please, by al means 603. I knew this was a fun, yet far from complete, idea and welcome your prospective on a mechanic


 


Drachasor "I think it is probably overly complicated and overly expensive to ignite."
At Drachasor:
 I agree with you there, but I didn't want it to literally replace the Lightsaber (by having a rather high bar for eligibility -I over did it pehaps)-rather function as a rare and unexpected alternative. To me the Idea is fun (to be able to tie different known Force Powers into the damage output of a unique weapon like this). And yeah the prerequisites sound impossible not to mention expensive (with a FP each time).


 


I am awfully curious on how you and 603 would word it?
                                                                                                                                   ~thanks

   Well, in the mean time, until we get some more feed back from of the WOC master minds- I too am going to strip this idea down to its skivvies and give er a makeover.

   So instead of the "from scratch" approach- maybe it could just be an upgrade/ Sup Tech/  or Jedi Artisan Talent? -if so- That name must go!- Lets call it?
The Aura Bond .../... The Echo Lens.../ ...or ...The Damnit Jim


Adopted by the Jedi Artisan Talent Tree
Echo Bond (sounds curiously like a poly-dent for relatives of [pArrow Smith's] Steven Tylors's large-mouth gene group)
    When you wield a Lightsaber that you have constructed and attuned, you may infuse the blade with the resonating energy of a force power that you have mastered.
    At the time you select this talent, you must have mastered at least one Force Power (meaning that you must have at least three uses of that power in your active Force Suite).
    When you wield a drawn / activated lightsaber, you may enshroud the blade with your chosen Mastered Power as a Standard action. To enshroud the blade you must discard 1d3 uses of the selected power. For the Rest of the encounter you may apply a Force bonus to Lightsaber attacks dependant upon which Force Power you are using in conjunction with Echo Bond.
Variations include, but are not limited to, the following:

Mastered Power--------__Color warble ---Damage Increase
Hatred                                     Red             Treat as Sith Sword (FP= bonus DMG = DSP)                  
Force Lightning                      Purple           +1d10 Force Damage                 
Force Blast                            Lt. Blue           +1d6 Bludgeoning damage              
Cryokinesis                           Drk Blue         +1d6 Cold damage                
Combustion                           Orange            + 1d8 Fire damage                     
Force  Light                            White             Deals additional damage equal to your Wisdom bonus                    
Vital Transfer                          Gold              Deals additional damage equal to your charisma bonus                     

Prerequisite: Master Work Lightsaber, Three separate uses of the same Force Power you wish to use in conjunction with the Echo Lens


 
I don't think all of the bonuses gained should be damage dealing / altering....what would be some non-damage dealing ideas?

Levitate could give you a jump bonus?
Circle of Shelter could give you DR?
Plant Surge could give you concealment (with posies sprouting between your toe-sies)?
Stagger could give you Bantha Rush?


Hmmmm, what do you think....too much?

Welcome all-

"While I like the idea, it seems overly complicated. Mind if I come up with an different set of rules for a Vong-craft Lightsaber?"
To 603: Please, by al means 603. I knew this was a fun, yet far from complete, idea and welcome your prospective on a mechanic


 


I am awfully curious on how you and 603 would word it?


                                                                                                                                   ~thanks


Gonna be a day or two. I've been kinda busy and away from books all day today and will be similarly engaged tomorrow as well. What's coming into my head is the idea of the Vong taking a whole-creature approach and trying to make the entire hilt minus crustals out of a single creature.

In Edge of Victory I, Anakin Solo had a vision of a future Tahiri (if she hadn't been rescued) shaped by the Yuuzhan Vong and weilding a perfectly functional organic lightsabre (the hilt looked like a grub if memory serves). Given the shaper's abilities with biotech, especially the heretic shapers, shaping an entirely organic version of a lightsabre isn't likely to be overly difficult compared to making a 'standard' lightsabre.


That being said, I like some of the ideas here...

Right now the idea that comes to mind actually emphasizes the split between lightsabers and lightfoils.


A Jedi knight, with the assistance of a Vong shaper, makes himself a lightsaber out of mostly organic components and the broken remains of his original lightsaber. Still working on the mechanics of it, but it involves using a yorik-coral tube, a defibrilator worm as the power cell, and a lambent.


Some time later, the same shaper gets to experimenting and manages to produce a living organism which, when a crystal is installed, functions as a modern lightfoil (Edit: including being usable by people who aren't force sensitive). And possibly spreads the instructions for making such lightfoils around to other shapers. Now, the Vong can't get any of the lightsaber combat talents being outside the Force, but they could use it as a 'mere' melee weapon with insane cutting power. Or it could just provide players with a "WTF lightsaber vong?!" moment.

Remember, lightsabers can be used by anyone, not just Force Sensitives (Han in ESB).


I statted up an amphisaber for my New Empire Sourcebook:



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Amphisaber


Unique to the Yuuzhan Vong Jedi, the Amphisaber is a melding of lightsaber and amphistaff.  The amphisaber is a living creature, related to the amphistaff, but only half as long.  The head of the creature is more rigid, forming a solid handle in which to surgically install the components necessary for a lightsaber blade.  The rest of the body behaves like any other amphistaff, responding to its user’s hand movements to grow stiff as a staff, supple as a whip, and flatten its tail into a broad blade.  The head contains spaces in which to install lightsaber components.  When a Yuuzhan Vong Jedi is ready, he breeds is own amphisaber (see the Create Biotech Device application of the Treat Injury skill, the Amphisaber is a Complex device) and then surgically implants the organic components that generate the lightsaber blade.  This process is identical to constructing a regular lightsaber (page 49, SECR.)  The knowledge of how to construct an amphisaber is only passed on to Yuuzhan Vong Jedi, as a symbol of their heritage, religion, and unique place in the galaxy.


Weapon Type:  Yuuzhan Vong Amphisaber


Proficiency Group:  Lightsaber                    


Cost:  Not available for sale (3,000 estimated cost.)


Damage:  2d8/2d8                        


Stun Damage:  -


Power Per Shot:  -                        


Rate of Fire:  S


Range Category:  Thrown             


Type:  Energy and Slashing/Slashing, Piercing, or Bludgeoning


Weight:  2kg


Size:  Large


DR/HP:  5/10                                        


Break DC:  14


Fort Defense:  10                                


Damage Threshold:  10


Availability:  Prevalent, Licensed           


Era:  NE


Notes:  Changing this weapon’s form is a swift action.  The whip form of this weapon has no reach, otherwise, it follows all the rules for Amphistaffs (see below.)  Lightsaber crystals installed in the weapon only effect the lightsaber edge of the weapon.  This weapon does not have, and cannot gain, upgrade slots.

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Vongformed Lightsaber

First created by the Cerean Jedi Knight Mor- Kon- Tarn with the assistance of a Master Shaper when his lighsaber was broken in a skirmish with the Sith on Felucia, the Vongformed Lightsaber is the as-yet pinnacle of Jedi and Vong interaction.

The original Vongformed Lightsaber was made out of a tube of Yorik-coral, with a defibrilator worm to serve as a power source. The defibrilator worm already operated on a similar principal to that of the lightsaber's normal power source, so adaptation was fairly simple although the worm's energies were harsh compared to a more gentle power source. Mor-Kon-Tarn used several pieces of his former lightsaber in the construction, however, such as his focusing ring. The Master Shaper who assisted him later found organic replacements for every piece of the lightsaber, and entered this information into the Eighth Cortex.

Mechanically, a Vongformed Lightsaber can be almost any lightsaber, including lightwhips and long-handled lightsabers. Crossguard lightsabers and guard shotoes are completely unavailable. The Vongformed Lightsaber deals an additional die of damage, but the weilder suffers a -2 penalty to Use the Force checks for lightsaber-based talents and Force powers due to the lightsaber's inherent void of Force. The Use the Force check for building any Vongformed Lightsaber has a base DC of 25, regardless of the kind of lightsaber made, and requires the assistance of a character with the Biotech Surgery and Biotech Specialist feats. A Vongformed Lightsaber has no upgrade slots and cannot gain any by any means, although it can be upgraded using the Biotech Specialist feat. It also cannot be combind with any other equipment.

Additionally, a Vongformed Lightsaber using any crystal other than a Lambent becomes unstable; if the weilder rolls a natural 1 or 2 on their attack roll or has their lightsaber deactivated by Cortosis, the lightsaber extinguishes itself and won't re-activate until the end of the encounter.

A few years later, a newly-appointed Master Shaper discovered the lightsaber information in the Eighth Cortex and began experimentation on a single-piece lightsaber hilt. She was partially successful; the result is functional but nowhere near as powerful as the original. Mechanically, it functions as a Biotech Lightfoil, with all rules for Lightfoils still applying. A Biotech Lightfoil is assembled using a DC 20 Mechanics roll; during the final stage of construction, the lightfoil and several suitable crystals (usually Lambents) are placed on a table together and the lightfoil is allowed to pick its crystal. The lightfoil swallows its choice, completing itself.

A Biotech Lightfoil will always prefer a Lambent to any other crystal, and will suffer from instability as above if forced to use any other crystal. A Jedi attempting to use it will suffer the same penalties to Use the Force checks as above. A Biotech Lightfoil has no upgrade slots, cannot be given any by any means, cannot be combined, but can be upgraded with the Biotech Specialist feat.

As the Yuuzan Vong have no Force users, the Biotech Lightfoil is the pinnacle of their lightsaber technology. Its use is limited, however, to the Master Shapers who make them and perhaps a few elite bodyguards. The Vong don't like outsiders, particularly Sith, finding out that they have their own lightsaber technology and may one day be able to use it with the same deadly grace as any Jedi or Sith.

New Prestige Class Feature: Create Biotech Lightfoil
    A Yuuzan Vong Shaper who reaches the 7th level may create a Biotech Lightfoil. This requires at least twenty-four hours, a Shaper Hand, a handful of suitable Lambents or other crystals, suitable raw materials, and a DC 20 Mechanics check made at the end of the creation process.
Prerequisites: Shaper Hand

WOW- Talk about great minds!


To both Eric and 603:


I see that two great minds have successfully incorporated some surprisingly similar works of creativity. Both are far greater than my own attempts and make alot more sense mechanically. I admire the foresight to note a lack of upgrades and Bio-tech perameters- which I feel was a really good call!

The names Amphisaber and Vonformed Saber, both of these are excellent!
I have to say,  you guys have surpassed my every expecation with dazzeling back storys- character harritage- plausable organization synergy- a rational Use the Force penalty- splendidly worded visualization for Vong tech crystal selection- A Shaper side-note for perfectly integrated legecy concepts and all of its delicate expectations on both a character and their respective materiel- proper mechanics for both single and Amphi-linked examples.

I am truely blown away

You have made me your number one fan!


This is great!

Eh, I've just got an unhealthy attraction to the Vong right now. That's it.


Eh, I've just got an unhealthy attraction to the Vong right now. That's it.




Watch this carefully, if you start attacking your micro-wave it is time to stop.

"God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players,* to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time. --- * i.e., everybody." When it comes to continuity, Darth Flannel is as dependable and consistent as, um ... um ... um ... well ... okay, how about this: When it comes to shanking continuity in his own universe, Darth Flannel is as dependable and consistent as death and taxes. - by DarthPancake

Watch this carefully, if you start attacking your micro-wave it is time to stop.


Don't actually have one of those, to be honest. My house seems to have been built (decades ago) in one of those fields that shuts down technological devices.


Watch this carefully, if you start attacking your micro-wave it is time to stop.


Don't actually have one of those, to be honest. My house seems to have been built (decades ago) in one of those fields that shuts down technological devices.



Well then, switch micr-wave to your computer. You do have a computer, right? Or you can access ze internetz with the power of your mind? Laughing

"God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players,* to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time. --- * i.e., everybody." When it comes to continuity, Darth Flannel is as dependable and consistent as, um ... um ... um ... well ... okay, how about this: When it comes to shanking continuity in his own universe, Darth Flannel is as dependable and consistent as death and taxes. - by DarthPancake

Well then, switch micr-wave to your computer. You do have a computer, right? Or you can access ze internetz with the power of your mind? 



Actually, I have this networking rodent whose butt I plug Cat 5 ethernet and phone lines into, and an organic computer and monitor.

 


Tongue out

ok I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been said before, and I know the idea is to come up with special rules for vong craft lightsabers but I really don't think any are needed.  The Legacy era campaign guide has rules for making biotech (typically vong but not necessarily so) you need a feat, and a biotech repair kit but essentially you can make any biotech equivalent of regular tech that works just as well (no better or worse) than regular tech as for the feasibility of a biotech lightsaber, canon says it's possible


Tahiri Veila was captured and shaped by the Vong, Anakin Solo had a vision of the future of a fully vongified and corrupted Tahiri using a biotech lightsaber to hunt down the last of the jedi, and he knew he had to rescue Tahiri to prevent that future

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ok I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been said before, and I know the idea is to come up with special rules for vong craft lightsabers but I really don't think any are needed.  The Legacy era campaign guide has rules for making biotech (typically vong but not necessarily so) you need a feat, and a biotech repair kit but essentially you can make any biotech equivalent of regular tech that works just as well (no better or worse) than regular tech as for the feasibility of a biotech lightsaber, canon says it's possible

Tahiri Veila was captured and shaped by the Vong, Anakin Solo had a vision of the future of a fully vongified and corrupted Tahiri using a biotech lightsaber to hunt down the last of the jedi, and he knew he had to rescue Tahiri to prevent that future


True. You don't need rules for everything, but sometimes it can be fun to work the creative side of the brain. Like that crack I made about a network rodent. I don't intend for anyone to use my rules, but if they do then its great.

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Tahiri Veila was captured and shaped by the Vong, Anakin Solo had a vision of the future of a fully vongified and corrupted Tahiri using a biotech lightsaber to hunt down the last of the jedi, and he knew he had to rescue Tahiri to prevent that future.


I always had an alternate thought about that scene in the book - that it was a Dark-side Tahiri hunting down the last of the Yuuzhan Vong (not the intention of the author I'm sure, but it made for a nice thought exercise).

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