High Con + Low Str = ?

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I'm planning on playing a Human Wrathful Invoker of Kord, with an interesting little trait. He is physically tough, but not strong at all. 17 Con, [8-10] Str.


I was wondering what a person with stats like that would look like. I'm quite confused. Any advice?

I'm seeing a tenacious person here. One who isn't necessarily physically imposing, but just keeps getting up. Sort of like a martial artist, but without the ability to hit you back with any sort of stopping power.

A marathon runner.

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Except... mine was an Infernal Warlock.  It's the same basic deal, though.  Maybe your character, like mine, is literally supernaturally tough.  That is, he was average or below average in that regard until he made his pact/covenant, at which point he became the ultra-tough guy he is now.  Granted, that might make more sense with regards to the Hell'lock who attacks with that Con score, but it could fit, right?

I always imagined a guy that had a large (hard, not soft) gut and was generally large.  Not super strong, but tough to put down.  The 'hard headed' biker guy.

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Both (Rasputin and Socrates) said to have superhuman constitutions.

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Both (Rasputin and Socrates) said to have superhuman constitutions.


I don't think they're ideal "Constitution" models considering both died prematurely from murder/poison. Tongue out

Either had low HP/surges and/or failed their saves.


Both (Rasputin and Socrates) said to have superhuman constitutions.


I don't think they're ideal "Constitution" models considering both died prematurely from murder/poison.

Either had low HP/surges and/or failed their saves.




From what I read of Rasputin he was killed by a headshot. Yay crits.


 


Interesting indeed. I like the suggestions!


I'm not entirely sure what he's going to look like yet. I do rather like the idea of the Covenant granting him health...


Both (Rasputin and Socrates) said to have superhuman constitutions.


I don't think they're ideal "Constitution" models considering both died prematurely from murder/poison.

Either had low HP/surges and/or failed their saves.




 


Rasputin was supposedly poisoned, then shot, and then stabbed.  Then, since they thought he couldn't die, they threw his body in a river weighted down with stones.  And if you believe in the disney version, he made a pact with the devil and came back to life. 


Seems to mee like he had a LOT of hp and saved at least twice. also, his toughness would definitely be supernatural, in game terms.


 


For a high Con and low Str guy, I think of a boxer with a chin of granite, but low punching power.  He might be that great boxer that sticks and moves, and can't be knocked out, but can't punch hard enough for the one punch knockout.  8-10 is average strength, so he can punch, just not hard.  he'd wear you down and absorb everything you threw at him until you were too tired to fight anymore.

for the most part, I always imagine a guy with lots of hp but no mucsel being something of a fatty, but not one that gets windeded easily. Someone who is bigger than a normal person, but unusally physically fit.

I'd get along more with people if they didn't jump onto a hyberbole every single time you say something they don't understand.

You can look however you want. If you describe yourself as musclebound yet unable to perform feats of strength then explain it as the character not being willing to exert himself in that manner, or not having the knowledge, experience, or intuition to apply his muscles usefully.

If he's of average or below average musculature, he's got a huge pain tolerance and just doesn't quit easily when it comes to physical challenges.

If I have to ask the GM for it, then I don't want it.


You can look however you want. If you describe yourself as musclebound yet unable to perform feats of strength then explain it as the character not being willing to exert himself in that manner, or not having the knowledge, experience, or intuition to apply his muscles usefully.

If he's of average or below average musculature, he's got a huge pain tolerance and just doesn't quit easily when it comes to physical challenges.





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Both (Rasputin and Socrates) said to have superhuman constitutions.



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This really to me sounds like the "Tough biker" kind of guy.  You know those kinda old guys with leathery skin, a little bigger than average, and look like they'd just take punches and laugh them off.

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I have a high CON and low STR in real life. I don't think CON is really something you can see though. I think it's more like DEX, and you might be able to get a vague idea just by looking at somebody, but appearance just isn't that reliable when it comes to either.


I actually have a fairly average build (though I am somewhat tall), but I almost never get sick, the three four times I've ever been sick I was still able to function perfectly well, I have a very high pain tolerance, I'm apparently very resistant to the effects of drugs, I have no allergies, I can function perfectly well for a very long time without sleep, the heat and cold don't bother me very much compared to other people, I can hold my breath for a really long time, I've never been hungry enough to complain... I can't run very fast, but I can run at a steady pace for quite a while, and I've never gotten tired of walking before.

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I'm going to have to agree with the idea that a high constitution score has no real bearing on physical appearance. Constitution in D&D deals with qualities which don't necessarily have identifiable qualifiers. What does a high pain tolerance actually look like when it isn't being tested? How about ones ability to fight off infection? Exhaustion?


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Anecdotal evidence aside, all those things which constitution govern truly do not have any definitive physical traits. As such, you can describe your character as you wish. Really, when I think about it, strength really is the only ability score that has anything to do with physical appearance. I think....


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Two examples come to mind:


Homer Simpson. Recall the episode where he was boxing, couldn't kill a fly with a punch, but you could hit him with a surgical 2x4 all day long.


Other example would be my son. He's two, and is completely impervious to both damage and cold. It's freaky.


 

Rasputin was supposedly poisoned, then shot, and then stabbed.  Then, since they thought he couldn't die, they threw his body in a river weighted down with stones.


...and there is even a version of the story out there that says after having been stabbed, poisoned, shot, and thrown in the river to drown - that he managed to crawl out of the river and die of hypothermia on his way to his murder's house.

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For a high Con and low Str guy, I think of a boxer with a chin of granite, but low punching power.  He might be that great boxer that sticks and moves, and can't be knocked out, but can't punch hard enough for the one punch knockout.  8-10 is average strength, so he can punch, just not hard.  he'd wear you down and absorb everything you threw at him until you were too tired to fight anymore.




Anyone see this episode of the simpsons www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc87ORQ86Mc


If you haven't, Homer is a fat nonathletic guy with little to no boxing skill.  He wins a series of boxing matches vs hobo's because of an abnormally thick skull. The doctor explains this to him as "I could hit you in the head with this 2X4 all day before you felt a thing". His boxing strategy is basically stand there until they tire themselves out, then push them over. I couldn't find a full episode or better video for it.

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Self reference: I'm physically tall and very lanky (6'4", 180 lbs). I've never been very strong, but I can keep going for a long time. Road marches and long distance running are my forte. I also get injured a lot due to bad luck and other things, and people are often amazed at how much damage I can take without really caring. Just yesterday I had the following conversation:


"Dude, you're bleeding!"


"Oh? Yeah, it'll stop."

I'm thinking a high-CON but low-Strength guy might be, well, fat.  After all, fat is padding, and padding is armor.  If someone punches you in your stomach, but your stomach is eight inches thick, their punch is going to be slowed down a fair bit by the time it reaches your vitals.  Granted, parts of the body don't get any such padding, but it can always be assumed that the character learns how to protect his vulnerable spots (up until someone rolls a crit).  He'd have a lot of Hit Points because all his fat reserves will hold out a long time against starvation and can be burned for calories when his body needs to heal up; as for poisons, two words: Iron Stomach.  That's how he got that way in the first place, most likely.  "I can't believe I ate the whole thing!"

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...and there is even a version of the story out there that says after having been stabbed, poisoned, shot, and thrown in the river to drown - that he managed to crawl out of the river and die of hypothermia on his way to his murder's house.




This is what I've heard--although I don't think I knew he got out of the river; I thought they had somehow determined that he died of hypothermia as opposed to drowning, but he didn't necessarily need to get out of the river to do that. Either way, pretty resilient.
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I'm thinking a high-CON but low-Strength guy might be, well, fat.


That would definitely be plausible. You could do that for high-con and high-str too (e.g. sumo), or high-str low-con (e.g.... sumo after a couple years out of the ring but keeps eating heavily?) Not many people play fat characters, which iI think makes it a little more interesting when someone does.

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...and there is even a version of the story out there that says after having been stabbed, poisoned, shot, and thrown in the river to drown - that he managed to crawl out of the river and die of hypothermia on his way to his murder's house.




This is what I've heard--although I don't think I knew he got out of the river; I thought they had somehow determined that he died of hypothermia as opposed to drowning, but he didn't necessarily need to get out of the river to do that. Either way, pretty resilient.




And he reportedly sat up and tried to crawl out of the fire when they cremated him....


Self reference: I'm physically tall and very lanky (6'4", 180 lbs). I've never been very strong, but I can keep going for a long time. Road marches and long distance running are my forte. I also get injured a lot due to bad luck and other things, and people are often amazed at how much damage I can take without really caring. Just yesterday I had the following conversation:


"Dude, you're bleeding!"


"Oh? Yeah, it'll stop."




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Not that I'm any good, the low strength tended to mean I got flattened.

My current character is a doppleganger(changeling) Invoker with a good amount of constituion and dexterity.


 


I always invision him as a wiry creature whose anatomy allows him to be more resilient than he has any right to be.

Wiry? Sure.  I love the above posted idea of an old biker type.  Someone who has pounded the whiskey all his life, been in more fights than it looks like he should have survived, and sleeps three hours a night.  But with a con like his, he doesn't even think it's odd. 


Or Fat.  Padding is nice, and while you have to work harder to hold yourself up, it doesn't exactly increase your usable strength. 


In general, I think it is safe to say you can decide from scratch.  Personally, I like the wiry image.

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The one thing about sumo wrestlers is that they are loaded with subcutaneous fat, not visceral fat.

It works very differently. Subcutaneous fat provides superior protection against injury because it is, just like the label implies, just below the skin. Importantly, it's outside of the vital organs. Also, it's easier to metabolize into energy.

Visceral fat is distributed around and among the vital organs, so it provides limited or no protection. Also, it's harder to get rid of and it doesn't metabolize as well.

So, the visual concept of sumo wrestlers having low str high con is extremely wrong.

It's the other way around, they are capable of incredible feats of strength, but only for a short time.
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