## Barbarian: Swift Panther Rage

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balfore
Joined Apr 2009
29 Posts

What is the exact movement on this power?

All things considered... is it {6 Base +2 +2shift=10}

Or is it {6 Base +2 = 8} or {shift 2 only}

Can anyone clarify... we're playing right now..

Bal

suoitidure
Joined Jan 2009
3651 Posts

There is no movement happening when you use the power.

While you are in the rage your base speed increases by 2 (so 6+2=8) Meaning you can take a move action to "walk" 8 squares. Also, you can take a move action to shift 2 squares (instead of your normal 1 square shift).

balfore
Joined Apr 2009
29 Posts

Is this an either or, or is this in addition?

can you move 8 and then shift 2, or choose shift or move?

... also, do you have to attack to get the effect? unlike the "Form of X" that the Wardens have?

suoitidure
Joined Jan 2009
3651 Posts

The rage is like a stance with an attack when you first activated.

While in the rage (until you use another rage, the encounter ends, or you die) you can move 8 squares as a move action or you can shift 2 squares as a move action.

balfore
Joined Apr 2009
29 Posts

Outstanding... thank you very much.

The wording is a bit cryptic... it says "and".

Thanks for clearing that up!

Bal

kathump
Joined Nov 2009
47 Posts
Suoitidure: While in the rage (until you use another rage, the encounter ends, or you die) you can move 8 squares as a move action or you can shift 2 squares as a move action.

I would agree with this reading accept for one thing the power states clearly:  Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed AND can shift 2 AS A MOVE ACTION.

If it was either or it should be written: Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed OR you can shift 2 AS A MOVE ACTION.

For this gramatical error I will continue to allow a full 10 movement in my games as the move action  (8 walk + 2 shift) makes it a bit more fun too. The barbarian has been nerfed enough as it is....
Matyr
Joined Jun 2004
3785 Posts
Suoitidure: While in the rage (until you use another rage, the encounter ends, or you die) you can move 8 squares as a move action or you can shift 2 squares as a move action.

I would agree with this reading accept for one thing the power states clearly:  Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed AND can shift 2 AS A MOVE ACTION.

If it was either or it should be written: Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed OR you can shift 2 AS A MOVE ACTION.

For this gramatical error I will continue to allow a full 10 movement in my games as the move action  (8 walk + 2 shift) makes it a bit more fun too. The barbarian has been nerfed enough as it is....

Yes, as always you can ignore how the power actually works and play it as you want.  As long as the DM and the player both realize that's not how the power works, have at it.
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kathump
Joined Nov 2009
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Just playing it as it is written if WotC can't get their gramma right who am I to correct them. Their intention should be clear..
Matyr
Joined Jun 2004
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Just playing it as it is written if WotC can't get their gramma right who am I to correct them. Their intention should be clear..

Except it is clear.

Effect: You enter the rage of the swift panther. Until the rage ends, you gain a +2 bonus to speed and can shift 2 squares as a move action.

Phrased differently but with the exact same meaning:

Effect: You enter the rage of the swift panther.
Until the rage ends, you gain a +2 bonus to speed.
Until the rage ends you can shift 2 squares as a move action.

More generically:

Effect: [Named Rage].  Until the rage ends you [Effect] and [Effect].
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Firebug2006
Joined Dec 2006
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If it was either or it should be written: Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed OR you can shift 2 AS A MOVE ACTION.

For this gramatical error I will continue to allow a full 10 movement in my games as the move action  (8 walk + 2 shift) makes it a bit more fun too. The barbarian has been nerfed enough as it is....

I read the way you phrased it you have to choose either the bonus to speed or the shift 2 as a move action when you use the power, that (may) last all encounter..
Or:
Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed.
Or you can shift 2 as a move action (once).

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Matyr
Joined Jun 2004
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If it was either or it should be written: Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed OR you can shift 2 AS A MOVE ACTION.

For this gramatical error I will continue to allow a full 10 movement in my games as the move action  (8 walk + 2 shift) makes it a bit more fun too. The barbarian has been nerfed enough as it is....

I read the way you phrased it you have to choose either the bonus to speed or the shift 2 as a move action when you use the power, that (may) last all encounter..
Or:
Until the rage ends you gain a +2 bonus to speed.
Or you can shift 2 as a move action (once).

Actually you can use that "Shift 2" as often as you like.  It just takes up a move action.
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Firebug2006
Joined Dec 2006
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I know it is.  But the way Kathump phrased his "this is how it should be if it meant what it actually means RAW" could be argued you gain a +2 bonus to speed, or you can shift 2 once.
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Matyr
Joined Jun 2004
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I know it is.  But the way Kathump phrased his "this is how it should be if it meant what it actually means RAW" could be argued you gain a +2 bonus to speed, or you can shift 2 once.

No, by RAW it is pretty clearly defined as "Until the end of the encounter you can shift two squares as a move action".
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