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Are there any penalties to ability scores from aging in 4e ??

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No.  Most adventurers are going to either die before they come into play, or hit Level 30 first.

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Don't you mean aging bonuses for spellcasters?  Foot in mouth


Don't you mean aging bonuses for spellcasters? 



Well, yeah, I was avoiding that for fear of edition war.  The slightest spark can set them off ...

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If you want to play an old man then your old man should be able to be able to have as much impact in the world and on the plot as the other characters in the party. I'm sure you could think of a few elderly characters from fiction who had no problem keeping up with their younger counterparts.


For instance, Shepherd Book from Firefly. He's a 64 year old preacher hanging around with space cowboys/pirates and easily holding his own - shooting kneecaps and punching out spies.


Now, if you want your elderly character to be frail, then you just go ahead and give him a low constitution. You can even use those ability points to increase his intelligence to represent all he's learned over his years. The important thing is that being elderly doesn't automatically make him more or less able than the other characters.

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Now, if you want your elderly character to be frail, then you just go ahead and give him a low constitution. You can even use those ability points to increase his intelligence to represent all he's learned over his years. The important thing is that being elderly doesn't automatically make him more or less able than the other characters.




Now I want to make an old man tactical warlord who rarely hits himself but orders the others around :p

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Now I want to make an old man tactical warlord who rarely hits himself but orders the others around

I would want a warlord who *never* hits himself, even if he never hits others either. Innocent
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Now I want to make an old man tactical warlord who rarely hits himself but orders the others around :p


That's a tough one - started here - I figure with Insight and History, I should be able to get some skill powers to be more effective (L2), and made sure to focus with weapon for the added to hit.


====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 1
Human, Warlord
Build: Tactical Warlord
Commanding Presence: Tactical Presence
Background: Instructor's Child (Insight class skill)


FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 10, Dex 12, Int 17, Wis 16, Cha 11.


STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 10, Dex 12, Int 17, Wis 14, Cha 11.



AC: 17 Fort: 12 Reflex: 15 Will: 15
HP: 22 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 5


TRAINED SKILLS
Insight +8, Intimidate +5, Diplomacy +5, Heal +8, History +8


UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics, Arcana +3, Bluff, Dungeoneering +3, Endurance -1, Nature +3, Perception +3, Religion +3, Stealth, Streetwise, Thievery, Athletics -1


FEATS
Human: Tactical Assault
Level 1: Focused Expertise (Longsword)


POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Commander's Strike
Warlord at-will 1: Opening Shove
Warlord at-will 1: Furious Smash
Warlord encounter 1: Warlord's Favor
Warlord daily 1: Concentrated Attack


ITEMS
Chainmail, Adventurer's Kit, Longsword, Light Shield
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If you want to play an old man then your old man should be able to be able to have as much impact in the world and on the plot as the other characters in the party. I'm sure you could think of a few elderly characters from fiction who had no problem keeping up with their younger counterparts.


For instance, Shepherd Book from Firefly. He's a 64 year old preacher hanging around with space cowboys/pirates and easily holding his own - shooting kneecaps and punching out spies.


Now, if you want your elderly character to be frail, then you just go ahead and give him a low constitution. You can even use those ability points to increase his intelligence to represent all he's learned over his years. The important thing is that being elderly doesn't automatically make him more or less able than the other characters.




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Now I want to make an old man tactical warlord who rarely hits himself but orders the others around

I would want a warlord who *never* hits himself, even if he never hits others either.



um, so do people have a habit of making characters that hit themselves all the time? is this an issue with the warlord class? Does he sacrifice his own hp by hitting himself so that others will be better in battle?


 


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um, so do people have a habit of making characters that hit themselves all the time? is this an issue with the warlord class? Does he sacrifice his own hp by hitting himself so that others will be better in battle?




Yeah I don't get it either, I always make characters that hit on the monsters...

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Now I want to make an old man tactical warlord who rarely hits himself but orders the others around :p


Warlord can reasonably pull it off, and you can always reflavor you're attacks as someone elses, or getting the enemy to hit himself.

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um, so do people have a habit of making characters that hit themselves all the time? is this an issue with the warlord class? Does he sacrifice his own hp by hitting himself so that others will be better in battle?




Yeah I don't get it either, I always make characters that hit on the monsters...




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Yeah I don't get it either, I always make characters that hit on the monsters...


Isn't that how the half-orc race got started?

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You win the thread, despite losing points for a Firefly reference.  That's exactly right.




Nobody can ever lose points for a Firefly reference.  It's one of the laws of the universe.



Then I break that law.  I hated that show.

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Warlord can reasonably pull it off, and you can always reflavor you're attacks as someone elses, or getting the enemy to hit himself.



It would be fun to bully the monsters that way:  "Stop hitting yourself!  Stop hitting yourself!  Stop hitting yourself!"

I hated that show.


Since the OP's question has been answered, I guess I'll bite: why?
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I hated that show.


Since the OP's question has been answered, I guess I'll bite: why?



It didn't fit my definition of science fiction (where were the blasters?  the FTL? the aliens?), plus the only reason the protagonists qualified as the 'good guys' was because they weren't as bad as the bad guys, as opposed to actually being good.


Plus, I just don't think Joss Whedon can write.  I haven't liked anything he's touched.

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It didn't fit my definition of science fiction (where were the blasters?  the FTL? the aliens?), plus the only reason the protagonists qualified as the 'good guys' was because they weren't as bad as the bad guys, as opposed to actually being good.

Plus, I just don't think Joss Whedon can write.  I haven't liked anything he's touched.



Funny, that's exactly why I did like it. As for JW's writing ability, he's hit or miss IMO. I've really really loved some of his stuff (like Firefly), and really really hated other stuff (like Buffy).

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It might not have hit your idea of Scifi, but it was never going to it in the first place.  


In some ways ALOT of good Science Fiction wouldnt make your day.  Foundation by Isaac Asimov, Dune by Frank Herbert... and many more.  


Science Fiction is much more then Blasters and FTL.   Just as fantasy is more then LotR

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I've only actually seen a few episodes, but it looked very much like an outer space western to me.  Certainly influenced by the A Team, but the setting was largely unimportant.  It had that western feel to it.  Justice was rough and scarce from the few bits I'd seen, and sometimes the good guys need to do bad things to make things right. 
Also, the good guys were just a little bit not good, which is fairly true of any western hero.  Killing people on a regular basis was almost a prerequisite to have a western about you.  Unless your name was Kwai Chang Caine, of course.


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I've only actually seen a few episodes, but it looked very much like an outer space western to me.  Certainly influenced by the A Team, but the setting was largely unimportant.  It had that western feel to it.  Justice was rough and scarce from the few bits I'd seen, and sometimes the good guys need to do bad things to make things right. 
Also, the good guys were just a little bit not good, which is fairly true of any western hero.  Killing people on a regular basis was almost a prerequisite to have a western about you.  Unless your name was Kwai Chang Caine, of course.


Oh, and if people want to know how I got that single line break, since I've heard people complaining about the enforced paragraph breaks, then it was shift-enter. 




It was in fact very Space Western.  And I love that show.
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I've only actually seen a few episodes, but it looked very much like an outer space western to me.  Certainly influenced by the A Team, but the setting was largely unimportant.  It had that western feel to it.  Justice was rough and scarce from the few bits I'd seen, and sometimes the good guys need to do bad things to make things right. 
Also, the good guys were just a little bit not good, which is fairly true of any western hero.  Killing people on a regular basis was almost a prerequisite to have a western about you.  Unless your name was Kwai Chang Caine, of course.


Oh, and if people want to know how I got that single line break, since I've heard people complaining about the enforced paragraph breaks, then it was shift-enter. 




It was in fact very Space Western.  And I love that show.
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I'm quite used to it.

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What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.


What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.

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What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.




Does this mean you dislike the "Alien" series of movies?

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What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.




Does this mean you dislike the "Alien" series of movies?




Yes.  Despite the sci-fi trappings, they were horror movies, and I don't do horror movies.

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What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.




Does this mean you dislike the "Alien" series of movies?




Yes.  Despite the sci-fi trappings, they were horror movies, and I don't do horror movies.




Back to the Future?  Minority Report? Total Recall? E.T.? The Matrix? Terminator? The Fifth Element?


 


Edit: and so we don't completly derail this thread, I figure that the player's characters are not going to be going through from 1-30 levels for more than a year of in-game time.  I.E. I figure that the longest it would take for a PC (not some shmuck NPC) to reach 30th level will not exceed 12 months.  So I see no reason for aging penalties.

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quote author=56832398 post=519321747]Considering DnD is a game wouldn't all styles be gamist?[/quote]






What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.




Does this mean you dislike the "Alien" series of movies?




Yes.  Despite the sci-fi trappings, they were horror movies, and I don't do horror movies.




Back to the Future?  Minority Report? Total Recall? E.T.? The Matrix? Terminator? The Fifth Element?




Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it.

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What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.




Does this mean you dislike the "Alien" series of movies?




Yes.  Despite the sci-fi trappings, they were horror movies, and I don't do horror movies.




Back to the Future?  Minority Report? Total Recall? E.T.? The Matrix? Terminator? The Fifth Element?




Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it.




Blade Runner? War of the Worlds? Close Encounters of the Third Kind?  STAR WARS??

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If you can't understand how someone yelling at another person would make them fight harder and longer, then you need to look at the forums a bit closer.
quote author=56832398 post=519321747]Considering DnD is a game wouldn't all styles be gamist?[/quote]








What I don't understand is why it has to have all those things to be good.  Could Star Wars have been good if storm troopers had had normal firearms instead of blasters and there was no hyperspace? I don't see why not. 


Why does something have to have all the classic tropes to be good?  Can't someone try to do something a bit different? Last I checked, different is quite often a good thing.




It doesn't have to have all those things to be 'good'.  It has to have those things for me to like it.




Does this mean you dislike the "Alien" series of movies?




Yes.  Despite the sci-fi trappings, they were horror movies, and I don't do horror movies.




Back to the Future?  Minority Report? Total Recall? E.T.? The Matrix? Terminator? The Fifth Element?




Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it.




Blade Runner? War of the Worlds? Close Encounters of the Third Kind?  STAR WARS??




Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, loved it.  Basically, Star Wars and Star Trek define sci-fi for me.  If it's not pretty close to one of those two, I'm not really interested.

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Blade Runner? War of the Worlds? Close Encounters of the Third Kind?  STAR WARS??




Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, loved it.  Basically, Star Wars and Star Trek define sci-fi for me.  If it's not pretty close to one of those two, I'm not really interested.




Respectfully understanding your definition of Sci-fi, you are very close-minded in this regard, and I will remember not to take your suggestions about sci-fi movies in the future, or at least not only your suggestions.


 


So, back to talking about aging?

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If you can't understand how someone yelling at another person would make them fight harder and longer, then you need to look at the forums a bit closer.
quote author=56832398 post=519321747]Considering DnD is a game wouldn't all styles be gamist?[/quote]




Blade Runner? War of the Worlds? Close Encounters of the Third Kind?  STAR WARS??




Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, loved it.  Basically, Star Wars and Star Trek define sci-fi for me.  If it's not pretty close to one of those two, I'm not really interested.




Respectfully understanding your definition of Sci-fi, you are very close-minded in this regard,




Yes, yes I am.  Eh, you and I like different things, ain't nothin' wrong with that.

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Now I want to make an old man tactical warlord who rarely hits himself but orders the others around

I would want a warlord who *never* hits himself, even if he never hits others either.



um, so do people have a habit of making characters that hit themselves all the time? is this an issue with the warlord class? Does he sacrifice his own hp by hitting himself so that others will be better in battle?


 





 


Glad to know I wasn't the only one who read it that way. ;)

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It also has aliens.


And Bruce Willis and Gary Oldman.

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." --Bill Cosby (1937- ) Vanador: OK. You ripped a gateway to Hell, killed half the town, and raised the dead as feral zombies. We're going to kill you. But it can go two ways. We want you to run as fast as you possibly can toward the south of the town to draw the Zombies to you, and right before they catch you, I'll put an arrow through your head to end it instantly. If you don't agree to do this, we'll tie you this building and let the Zombies rip you apart slowly. Dimitry: God I love being Neutral. 4th edition is dead, long live 4th edition. Salla: opinionated, but commonly right.
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58419928 wrote:
You have to do the work first, and show you can do the work, before someone is going to pay you for it.
69216168 wrote:
If you can't understand how someone yelling at another person would make them fight harder and longer, then you need to look at the forums a bit closer.
quote author=56832398 post=519321747]Considering DnD is a game wouldn't all styles be gamist?[/quote]


Also, the good guys were just a little bit not good, which is fairly true of any western hero.  Killing people on a regular basis was almost a prerequisite to have a western about you.  Unless your name was Kwai Chang Caine, of course.




Kwai Chang Caine is the man.

And how does anyone not see Back to the Future?  I mean seriously.

Star Wars isn't sci-fi.  It's Space Fantasy.  


 


Yeah, I said it.


Star Wars isn't sci-fi.  It's Space Fantasy.  


 


Yeah, I said it.




Otherwise known as Space Opera.

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." --Bill Cosby (1937- ) Vanador: OK. You ripped a gateway to Hell, killed half the town, and raised the dead as feral zombies. We're going to kill you. But it can go two ways. We want you to run as fast as you possibly can toward the south of the town to draw the Zombies to you, and right before they catch you, I'll put an arrow through your head to end it instantly. If you don't agree to do this, we'll tie you this building and let the Zombies rip you apart slowly. Dimitry: God I love being Neutral. 4th edition is dead, long live 4th edition. Salla: opinionated, but commonly right.
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58419928 wrote:
You have to do the work first, and show you can do the work, before someone is going to pay you for it.
69216168 wrote:
If you can't understand how someone yelling at another person would make them fight harder and longer, then you need to look at the forums a bit closer.
quote author=56832398 post=519321747]Considering DnD is a game wouldn't all styles be gamist?[/quote]


 


Didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't like it, loved it.  Basically, Star Wars and Star Trek define sci-fi for me.  If it's not pretty close to one of those two, I'm not really interested.




 


Ammusingly star treck and firefly are both examples of space westerns, firefly simply put more emphasis on the western part

I haven't lost my mind I've simply misplaced it