9/2/2009 StF: "The Planes of Planechase"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's Savor the Flavor, which goes live Wednesday on magicthegathering.com.

great article, you really put in the effort to go all the way in describing each and every location. i really enjoyed it!

Finally a decent article out of Beyer; I'd thought he'd forgotten entirely how to write.  (I know he has skills, he just never seems to bother using them.)  Definitely interesting to find out what planes like Ir and Arkhos are about; I hadn't had any idea they were related to anything that we knew before.


But I'm going to go on the record as guessing that Valla and Kaldheim are a related double-plane (I know, I'm inferring a relationship based just on the names both being Nordic) which will be the setting of the next block after Zendikar (specifically, after they're completely done with Zendikar, as there are supposed to be two "blocks" there, per MaRo's article the other week).  This is the only probable-seeming tease, and I'll be really annoyed if there wasn't a tease of Magic's post-ZEN direction among all these planes.


In other words, I'm annoyed Beyer didn't say anything about how we can have one plane card for all of Otaria and another for just the forest of Krosa on Otaria.  Also, I want to share the subtitle that I wish they'd given the Otaria card:  "The Land of Second Chances".


Here's hoping Planechase is a roaring success and gets revisited.  I want those Esper and Jund planes, to say nothing of the other nine Ravnica guilds, Phyrexian spheres, more of Shadowmoor and Mirrodin (just because I love them), and a few of Rabiah's 1000 other "demi-planes".

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I'm entertained by "There's an unwritten understanding among planeswalkers that no Slivers should be summoned within Velis Vel, for fear of causing an ecological catastrophe within Lorwyn's underground."

Plus, this plane card represents something more. It's new Ravnica art by Stephan Martiniere.

Awww, heckyeah. I'm one of the many many who love that Martiniere Rav art!  (Having just ordered 30 Martiniere-illustrated Islands and almost as many Forests from an online dealer... dance2.gif)

I agree the Immersturm art is also awesome, as is Vesuva, Serra's Realm, Murasa, Bant, Glimmervoid, and many others.

(Gah, managed to finally wrestle my way through the stupid bugged setup wizard and to post here... but only using FireFox, as neither works with Chrome at all. Stupid non-browser-tested forum software.)

Just wanted to know what the card image blended into the right side of Shah of Naar Isle is... Does anyone know? I thought it was a curious blend and couldn't for the life of me recall what the artwork was for and how it was relevant to Naar Isle or Wildfire.

That was a good read; I would never have realized how many planes were already featured on Future Sight cards. Also, Arthur Koestler is probably my favorite author...


Kudos, Doug!


Just wanted to know what the card image blended into the right side of Shah of Naar Isle is... Does anyone know? I thought it was a curious blend and couldn't for the life of me recall what the artwork was for and how it was relevant to Naar Isle or Wildfire.




I think it's Emberwilde Caliph... a blue/red, Juggernaut-y, suicide style creature from Mirage.


 


i liked the article.

I wouldn't have made the connection between the Future Sight cards and the plane cards without help. Thanks, Doug.


Also, a return trip to Ulgrotha with today's card-designers is in order. Vampires are a fully supported type now and Victorian Gothic horror hasn't been done as a block theme yet.


Rabiah and Wildfire would be interesting to return to as well. How did the Mending affect the efreet/djinn in their home plane?


I'm entertained by "There's an unwritten understanding among planeswalkers that no Slivers should be summoned within Velis Vel, for fear of causing an ecological catastrophe within Lorwyn's underground."




I want to see that, now!


 


Agreed that this is one of Beyer's finer works. I know I've given him grief ever since Cavotta left, but articles like this help show that Doug has what it takes, he just doesn't always show it every week.


I hope I can manage to buy all four sets before they get too hard to find, and I don't know how I'm going to get that promo; my local store's website isn't listing the event for this weekend.

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great article, i really appreciate the huge amount of effort put into it.


i love the art of all the planes except raven's run. raven's run kind of doesn't look like anything. i'm a big fan of hyper detail but it's just like a lot of squiglies that vaguely seem like they have something to do with trees and some figures in the background (although it's not clear where/how those figures are standing). it's very flat and confusing.


my favorite is  the eon fog, but i also love iquatana, the great forest, and velis vel. also sea of sand. also glimmervoid. basically all of them.


man i sure wanted to post that because i went through hell to do so. first wizards refuses to let me log in, suggesting my password was wrong and/or my account didn't exist (i guarantee the password was correct). then, in the process of trying to log in, reset my password, etc, somehow i create a separate "guest" account and also somehow i end up seeing 3 different looking login pages (maybe a standard login screen with some more information would benefit your users, guys). also the logout DOES NOT WORK unless you clear your cookies/temp files (right now, i'm sure that will change or has changed at some point).

I want ... the other nine Ravnica guilds


Other eight guilds, my dear willpell. Two guilds are already represented in the cards ;)


I'm with you on the Krosa/Otaria thing, that was a bit weird when I first saw it.


 


I already knew most of what Doug was saying (I remember planes like Moag and Equilor, never mind Ulgrotha and Shandalar) but it was an excellent read nonetheless, one of his best articles in a very long time. And the new stuff was very interesting. I can't wait to explore some of these worlds in upcoming sets...

Quitequieter wrote: "man i sure wanted to post that because i went through hell to do so. first wizards refuses to let me log in, suggesting my password was wrong and/or my account didn't exist (i guarantee the password was correct). then, in the process of trying to log in, reset my password, etc, somehow i create a separate "guest" account and also somehow i end up seeing 3 different looking login pages (maybe a standard login screen with some more information would benefit your users, guys). also the logout DOES NOT WORK unless you clear your cookies/temp files (right now, i'm sure that will change or has changed at some point)."


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One of my biggest worries now is that if this flubs like Gleemax did, then Hasbro will remjove even more dollars from the Magic Online crew, and the redevelopment of many features THERE will suffer. So I hope they do better to handle some oif the issues here, such as the very basic text formatting and quoting systems, and the ability to TAG.

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Woo, great article!


But, I can't help wondering how many nomads come from a mountainous fortress on a rocky isle in the middle of a choppy ocean...  What's the flavor there?


Woo, great article!


But, I can't help wondering how many nomads come from a mountainous fortress on a rocky isle in the middle of a choppy ocean...  What's the flavor there?




That's a good point, but I think Ir is simply the plane where the Fomori race of giants are, not just the Nomads, so that other Fomori congregated on Turri Is. I suspect a plane dominated by giants should be interesting, in the flavor that Lorwyn's greatest secrets were held by the nearly-eternal giants.

"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count." "Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969) "Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)

I just came here to say that Doug's was everything I could expect. A nice read, good information about the planes (in a way that it's still open for some imagination) and Nice pics of each plane. Congratulations Doug, you've made me proud today.

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Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
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Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
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I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
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The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
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Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
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Just popping to say thanks to Doug for an excellent article.  I appreciate the amount of work it took to write a synopsis for each plane card and reading the article was well worth it.  I also liked the larger images of each plane card's art. They are truly stunning.  Now only if could come in foil versions... (hint! hint!)


Great article, Doug, thanks again!


I want ... the other nine Ravnica guilds


Other eight guilds, my dear willpell. Two guilds are already represented in the cards ;)



Uh...no?  "Undercity Reaches" may have a blue/black art, but it in no way references the Dimir.  And Agyrem has ghosts drawn in the Azorius style, but its ability favors only white, not white and blue.  Only the Izzet guild currently has a plane.

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Wait, no, according to the article, it is strongly implied that the Dimir control the Undercity Reaches. But you can't just come out and say that, you see? That's a good way to get yourself hurt.
Anyway, this article is amazing. I'll never look at a game of planechase the same way again. And I absolutely adore the flavor of Equilor. A plane at the end of possibility, where nothing happens because there's nothing left to be done...fantastic
Also, the rule "no slivers in Velis Vel" made me laugh. I've seen it happen, and it is just so true :P