Let's talk about YMTC Champs 2013

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Our year is half-way done and presumably, as the current YMTC Champ, I will be hosting this December's time-honored competition. At least, that's been the recent pattern since Gardevior left our pastures. If you haven't been around for a Champs, it's a competition held at year's end where individuals are nominated into categories that celebrate specific facets of card design, then a single criteria showdown determines the YMTC Champion of that year. With all this in mind, I felt like discussing how the whole process is run. Here are some questions to mull over:



1. Should former Champs be able to participate? Traditionally, former champs have been the criteria makers, and that doesn't look to change. But they've also been disallowed to compete. I've always felt that either choice was fine. However, I do think that perhaps allowing all former champs except the current champ to compete might be a better way to go. Creating the criteria is a conflict of interest, but otherwise, I'm all for more inclusion. Champs doesn't need to be Idol, after all.

2. Should self-nominating be allowed? There hasn't been a clear concensus on this that I recall, though I'd tend to think the answer most people would give is "no".

3. Should self-voting be allowed? This is a different animal altogether and I could see this going either way. Once you've been nominated in, your motivation to vote for yourself is clearly strong. 

And the subject I want to talk most about...

4. The current categories for inclusion are:

- Most Creative Mind
- Best Sounding Board (advice giving, wording corrections, card commenting, etc.)
- Best Contest Host
- Best Set Designer
- Future R&D Intern (who seems fit to be part of making actual Magic)
- Best Newcomer
- Invitational

Should all of these categorires remain? And what categories are we missing out on?
I think we need a new category that encompasses Best Set Designer but allows for more entries. It has traditionally been a category dominated by a few diehard set creators and hasn't allowed for much in the way of competition. I could see a few other categories being merged, a few others being created.



Tell me what you think. I'll open some polls if necessary. Also, if there are any other issues you feel should be addressed or any proposals you think would work out, share them.
Let's not.
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Best "Big Picture" Designer should replace Best Set Designer, but with a better name. I don't really like self-nomination and self-voting. I'm fine either way regarding former champs being allowed or not, tending towards the "allow them" bit.
I should probably do something so I can be nominated. I got in invitational that one time but I don't think I can count on that again.
My thoughts:

1) I guess. I'm reasonably ambivalent about this one. Inclusion is good and all that.
2) NO. This really bugs me. The only slight problem I see with barring it is that you get reciprocal nominations, but even they are generally evened out in the vote stage.
3) Again NO

I wouldn't mind seeing a Vorthos vs Melvin type category approach that rewards different design strengths. I don't know if that granulates / replaces / is in addition to Creative Mind.

I like Rio's suggestion. 
I agree with Imi 100 Percent - including Rio's idea. I feel like just following the Rarity Game you can see that some of the designers around here - maybe they don't build entire sets - but their knack for Commons and Uncommons when so many people only post Rares and Mythics is something that should be rewarded.

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If Card of the Week makes it all the way to December, I propose adding the Card of the Year Winner to the contest.
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1. Sure. If you're still the best, why shouldn't you get the spot?
2. No. If you can't convince anyone else you deserve a nomination, you don't deserve it.
3. Also no.
Agree with Rio's idea.

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1) no. they have their title, let someone else get it.
2) no. self nomination just encourages you to not nominate others who deserve it.
3) yes. once you've been nominated, you're just gonna not vote in that category, so letting you vote for yourself is better.
4) Flavor Lord would be nice. Best Razorborne.

 
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3) yes. once you've been nominated, you're just gonna not vote in that category, so letting you vote for yourself is better.

That's a good point. Historically I know it's vote for however many categories you like - would it turn voters off to say your votes would only count with a full panel?

Historically I know it's vote for however many categories you like - would it turn voters off to say your votes would only count with a full panel?


Probably yes? If, say, you have no interest in contests, making you pick a Best Contest Host seems silly.

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3) yes. once you've been nominated, you're just gonna not vote in that category, so letting you vote for yourself is better.

That's a good point. Historically I know it's vote for however many categories you like - would it turn voters off to say your votes would only count with a full panel?



or just let people vote for themselves.

 
120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
Or just let people vote for me.

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Best contest host has nothing to do with designing cards really so it seems out of place with the other categories. 
Best contest host has nothing to do with designing cards really so it seems out of place with the other categories. 


but it's a good thing to reward 'cause then we get more good contests

 
120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
Eh, only if you think people design contests thinking of being nominated for Champs.

4) Flavor Lord would be nice. Best Razorborne.

 


sorry for not counting you earlier pablo.


I only accept apologies in the form of pie wedges.


fair enough. you can have a Flavor slice.

 



Aw, my glob! Thank you! I am now the YMtC Flavour Lord! I have more flavour pie than anyone. I think we'll all live to regret this day.


dilemma.... elegance or history? Elegance of History >_<


The YMtC Flavour Lord says "Stay away from Flavour. It is the domain of the Gods. Your mortal eyes would melt within their sockets."

Honestly though, go History - you'll almost assuredly have no competition. Except that the YFL is kinda tempted to go over there now. Hmmm. . .


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That is a lovely painting of Richard Garfield. It really brings out his feminine side.
Yeah, I'm all in favour of Champs nominees being 'good community' type nominations. It is less likely that they win (depending on who and what contests obv) but 'positive contribution' is something it woul dbe good to recognise.
I will say this about contests, in some cases some really good card critique comes out of it. Plus you almost have to say the design card of the week and nominations fall into this category.
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Those nominated for contest or community related things that don't involve directly making cards should get to be tested parallel to card making. Maybe make them judge things and have someone rate their judging.
Also, let's bring back "best game thread" so YMtC Rarity Game can finally get the respect it deserves.
You most definitely should not be able to nominate yourself.

I think you should be able to vote for yourself, for the reason razorborne mentioned.

I support Rio's idea, as well as the additions of Best Game Thread Card of the Year Maker and Flavor Lord.

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we have like three game threads. 

 
120.6. Some effects replace card draws.
Can a Game thread be a champion? >.<

Maybe Best Game Thread Creator? But that's like having one good idea in a year is enough to be a champion.

I don't know how it's been before, but that category seems to be very different to the rest. :>
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1. Should former Champs be able to participate?


Absolutely.

On a related note, do you happen to have a list of former Champions?

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Speaking as a former Champ, I don't think champs should be allowed to compete. It would decrease the likelihood of reward for newer forum participants and make others users work for something they've already earned. It feels much better to win something if you only need to win it once.
Those nominated for contest or community related things that don't involve directly making cards should get to be tested parallel to card making. Maybe make them judge things and have someone rate their judging.


Then we can have a criteria for Best Judge of Judges
On a related note, do you happen to have a list of former Champions?

2005: Dream Spinner
2006: tyranno6
2007: Pegaweb
2008: Riorvard
2009: Detektor
2010: Elevate
2011: Mown
2012: Rush_Clasic

Everyone of those except Peggles is still around, and I bet with enough treats I could coax that owl out of hiding. Maybe we should have a "Champion of Champs" competition that's only available to former champs. 
On a related note, do you happen to have a list of former Champions?

2005: Dream Spinner
2006: tyranno6
2007: Pegaweb
2008: Riorvard
2009: Detektor
2010: Elevate
2011: Mown
2012: Rush_Clasic

Everyone of those except Peggles is still around, and I bet with enough treats I could coax that owl out of hiding. Maybe we should have a "Champion of Champs" competition that's only available to former champs. 



Once we have 8 a single elimination tournament for champion of champs would be awesome to watch.
No, no, no, and I dunno.

Oh my goodness, though, I cannot believe it's been so long since Pegaweb won champs.  It doesn't even feel like that long ago when we were trying to convince him that he should totally participate in a contest just this one time.  I miss that crazy owl.
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1. I have no strong opinion either way and I see both sides of the argument. So I don't much care, really.
2. No way.
3. No. If Contestant A wins over Contestant B by one vote because A selfishly voted for himself while B voted for someone else, it would be a sham.
4. I second the general notion for a "big picture" designer category. 
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