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12 months ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 12:32PM #1
The_Fred
Date Joined: Jan 4, 2012
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RE a recent discussion about one of my characters, I wanted to ask about keeping expendables at home. I was under the impression that the limit on expendables was purely to prevent people winning matches through overuse of them rather than their own talents, and that anything at home thus wouldn't count, because it can't be used in that 3FC.

However, it seems that you're not allowed to keep extra expendables at home, as a limit on the power of crafters (so you can't craft a bucketload in advance).

I can understand that, but doesn't that mean that at ECL 3, I have to spend a whole free activity (1000gp's worth) or worse, a full activity (7000gp's worth and a week off) every three fights to make, at most, 450gp of items? Further, crafting of non-expendable items doesn't have this restriction.

Further, does this restriction mean that if, say, I foolishly buy nine Potions of Pass Without Trace before my first 3FC, I have to sell them (for half price) to buy more useful things later and if I want them back, I have to pay full whack for them?

I can understand limiting how many things people can craft (though I personally don't think that having some scrolls crafted without having to spend real time on them is that big a deal when I need to pay the cash up-front for them, and given they're not going to last forever anyway) but this seems like a needless restriction even on non-crafters - for comparison, you can have as many allies you want even if you can't bring them all, which actually gives a mechanical advantage since if one dies in one fight, you can replace it for the next, mean ally death is not an issue.

As much as anything I'd just like to know what I can and can't do because I think I've unknowingly left a few things at home at least a couple of times before.  Innocent
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 12:46PM #2
Uknits
Date Joined: Aug 24, 2010
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The big thing is that you are allowed access to your at home items between fights.
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 1:58PM #3
The_Fred
Date Joined: Jan 4, 2012
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You can?
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 01, 2012 - 5:36PM #4
Eluria
Date Joined: Jan 20, 2007
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Yes
What's at home is available between fights even during 3FC
So, many people store extra arrows there, for instance.
Or Qwuibbik just bought armor for the guy he's going to animate after F1; thus, want to make sure have the equipment, but don't need to bring it into arena in F1 to have access to it in F2.


Expendables are very potent; the cap is a good balance.  If you could have at home and with you, you could have the "powerstone of energy missile x3" with you, and another 30 at home, and each fight use 3 of them, period.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 02, 2012 - 6:05AM #5
The_Fred
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OK, well, I agree that the cap is a good balance - I'm not asking that we effectively be allowed triple to current expendables. However, is there (or could there be) any provision for owning some expendables which can't be used in a 3FC, just so that you don't have to buy and sell each time if you want to change your unused things for something else.

If it's felt there needs to be a limit on crafting, I think that should be seperate - for example, Kezereth currently has a Potion of CLW at home (illegally, it would seem) because I'd rather he took useful power stones with him. However, having (foolishly, perhaps) bought the damn thing, I'd like to keep it and perhaps use it one day without having to sell if for 1/2 and then buy it back, if that makes sense?

(Actually, I also think it's silly that a crafter would have to spend a full, 7000gp's worth full activity to craft 450gp or less of expendables each 3FC because they can't keep stuff at home - though perhaps I am biased).
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