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Flag Yitzi April 19, 2012 8:33 PM PDT
Eluria:
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Ghost begins in box 1


TelinArtho:
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Farig and T'cha'kl T'zk'l begin in box 4.  Please also indicate any tactics they previously agreed on, as any communication between them during the fight may be overhead by Ghost.


Everyone give their tactics until detection, please.
Flag Eluria April 20, 2012 6:35 AM PDT
I assume b/c this is not 1v1 that Ambush, Assassinate packages don't take effect, correct?

Ghost Show

Rob store for an arrow of Magical Beast Bane

Psicrystal on shoulder, actively listen check each round; if they're detected before buffing done, half move away from their sound, towards concealment/cover

Buff as moving out into closest underbrush (for concealment/cover; move about 10ft into underbrush, near a tree) with the following, in order
(if delay penalty is an issue, please note that starting in Rd 6, happy to engage, and ok to seek him out to try to engage; however, as separate thread fight, if get up to round 8 or 9 where delay penalty is really looking imminent, please let me know)

Start holding antitoxin and stone

1. Chameleon 1pp memory
2. Energy Adaptation: Elec, draw touchsight
3. Antitoxin, draw drow poison
4. Touchsight,
5. Drow poison on a regular arrow, stow

(if they're detected, please let me know, as may/can skip the rest and engage)

6. Draw and use Dissolving weapon Dorje on Aranea Bane Arrow, stow both
7. Draw dorje Vigor, use Exp Retreat Shoes, move out
8. Use and drop Dorje Vigor, Draw bow
9. Off Precog (memory), move out
10.  Divine Favor lucky shirt, move out

(if moving, always moving half speed, trying to stay in cover/concealment)




Flag TelinArtho April 20, 2012 6:54 AM PDT
Right - attack and defense packages are not in play here.

Farig and the aranea Show
Let's start adjacent to each other in the starting area near the middle. Farig starts off mounted on Whirlwind with flail in hand and locked. The aranea has a potion of cat's grace in hand.

Round 1 - Aranea casts mage armor on herself and draws a wand of resist energy (CL2)
Round 2 - Aranea uses the wand for acid on Farig
Round 3 - Aranea uses the wand for acid on herself
Round 4 - Aranea casts protection from evil on Farig
Round 5 - Aranea casts protection from evil on herself.
Round 6 - Aranea drinks the potion, draws a wand of shield (CL2)
Round 7 - Aranea uses the wand and stows it.
Round 8 - Aranea draws and drinks a potion of magic fang (CL2)
Round 9 - Aranea draws the wand of magic missile (CL3)
Round 10 - Aranea casts shocking grasp and holds the charge on her bite.

They will stay close to each other and move out while buffing, but will not cross the river until all buffing is done. If Farig has a free action (which should be most rounds since she can move more than the aranea is), she will use active spot/listen.

Both will attempt to jump the river (with 20ft of lead space obv) once buffing is complete and then continue searching.
Flag Yitzi April 20, 2012 8:37 AM PDT
I realized I put this in the wrong forum; is someone able to move it to Battles?

Eluria:
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You can't use Touchsight, as it's not on your class list.  It's also 25' to the nearest underbrush, so you'll have to move full speed that one time to even reach it and can't move further into it before "move out".

Assuming you just want to remove Touchsight (tell me otherwise): You move and manifest Chameleon and energy adaptation, drink the antitoxin, and apply poison to the arrow.  You then draw the dorje of vigor, use the shoes and begin moving out...to be continued once you confirm to just remove Touchsight.



Buffs: Chameleon (ends long), electric adaptation (ends long), antitoxin, regular arrow poisoned, bane arrow dissolving, expeditious retreat (ends 16).
Used: 1pp, powerstone specified energy adaptation, antitoxin, drow poison, 1 charge wand of dissolving weapon, 1 use dancing shoes.
Round 6.


TelinArtho:

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Farig actually beat T'cha'kl T'zk'l in initiative, so she'll delay to come after so that she can move out right after being buffed.
T'cha'kl T'zk'l casts mage armor on herself, then uses the wand of resist energy on both and casts Protection from Evil on both while they move out.  She then drinks the potion of Cat's Grace and draws, uses, and stows a wand of Shield, and then draws and drinks a potion of Magic Fang...to be continued



Buffs: mage armor T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends < 3 hrs), Resist Acid both (ends long), PfE both (ends round 34 for Farig, 35 T'cha'kl T'zk'l, Cat's Grace T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 36), Shield T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 27), Magic Fang T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 28)

Used (T'cha'kl T'zk'l): 3 lvl1 spells, 2 charges wand resist energy, potion Cat's Grace, 1 charge wand shield.

Round 6.
Flag Eluria April 20, 2012 9:03 AM PDT
I don't know how to move posts, although I think I am able to, so don't want to mess it up and risk losing this

Also, as it's probably a prison violation, would want to make Telin aware as well: Ghost has powerstone of touchsight but it is not on his class list, so just fyi he can't use it. 

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Re: your question, Confirmed, thanks -actions as noted above with more moving and no touchsight are fine.

If haven't seen/don't detect him, feel free to continue buffing through round 9
6. Draw and use Dissolving weapon Dorje on Aranea Bane Arrow, stow both
7. Draw dorje Vigor, use Exp Retreat Shoes, move out
8. Use and drop Dorje Vigor, Draw bow
9. Divine Favor lucky shirt, move out

Flag Yitzi April 20, 2012 11:39 AM PDT
Eluria:

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So you don't want offensive precognition either?  And because there's no touchsight, it's 1 round earlier, so you'll end round 8.  Assuming that's correct:

Ghost uses and drops her dorje of vigor, draws her bow, activates her lucky shirt, and moves further.



Buffs: Chameleon (ends long), electric adaptation (ends long), antitoxin, regular arrow poisoned, bane arrow dissolving, expeditious retreat (ends 16), divine favor (ends 18), vigor 59/49 HP (ends 27).
Used: 1pp, powerstone specified energy adaptation, antitoxin, drow poison, 1 charge dorje of dissolving weapon, 1 use dancing shoes, 1 use lucky shirt, 1 use dorje vigor.
Round 8.


Now what?





Flag Eluria April 20, 2012 3:38 PM PDT
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Oops sorry -
Psicrystal active listen check hasn't heard anything?
Then yes, if they haven't been detected, go ahead and use 1pp Offensive Precog, and move out.  Ideally staying towards the underbrush when moving out, but generally can follow the road towards the next starting area - trying to engage at this point.
Flag Yitzi April 21, 2012 6:38 PM PDT
Eluria:
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I presume that because you're trying to engage, you're not half-moving any more?  And how do you want to cross the stream?
Flag Eluria April 21, 2012 6:40 PM PDT
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I would like to find them, but assume they're both invisible at this point.  With 60' stream yes please jump stream.  I'm fine double moving, but would like psicrystal to try to listen for them, b/c as soon as they're detected obviously it'd be nice to shoot first.  Basically seek them out until detected.  Ideally staying where conceal/cover, as would like to be hidden, but I am aware that there's a delay penalty that should be imminent.
Flag Yitzi April 21, 2012 7:16 PM PDT
Eluria:
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Ghost manifests Offensive Precognition and moves out.  After two rounds of moving, a magic map drops down from the sky; on it, you can see your enemies' location.



Buffs: Chameleon (ends long), electric adaptation (ends long), antitoxin, regular arrow poisoned, bane arrow dissolving, expeditious retreat (ends 16), divine favor (ends 18), vigor 59/49 HP (ends 27), offensive precognition (ends 49).
Used: 2pp, powerstone specified energy adaptation, antitoxin, drow poison, 1 charge dorje of dissolving weapon, 1 use dancing shoes, 1 use lucky shirt, 1 use dorje vigor.
Round 10.


Now what?


TelinArtho:

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T'cha'kl T'zk'l draws the wand of MM, and casts Shocking Grasp, holding the charge.  After that, a magic map drops down from the sky, showing Ghost's location...as you get it, you see him moving...(to be shown once Eluria posts).



Buffs: mage armor T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends < 3 hrs), Resist Acid both (ends long), PfE both (ends round 34 for Farig, 35 T'cha'kl T'zk'l, Cat's Grace T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 36), Shield T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 27), Magic Fang T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 28), Shocking Grasp held T'cha'kl T'zk'l

Used (T'cha'kl T'zk'l): 4 lvl1 spells, 2 charges wand resist energy, potion Cat's Grace, 1 charge wand shield.


Flag Eluria April 21, 2012 7:23 PM PDT
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Move 5ft east and 100ft south into the big patch of undergrowth

As soon as either is in range/LoS (prefer/ideally without cover and within 30ft for sneak attack ability), engage:
--if it's Farig, snipe with Manyshot + 1 focus (from psicrystal) for fellshot and fire both poisoned arrows at him
--if it's Aranea, snipe with single shot, 2 foci (fellshot, psionic shot) and 2pp DeepCrystal with Dissolving Weapon'd Bane Arrow
Flag Yitzi April 21, 2012 10:19 PM PDT
Eluria:
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You move...{to be continued}





TelinArtho:
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You see on the map that Ghost is moving...while the map shows his location, you don't see him.  What will the duo do?


Flag TelinArtho April 22, 2012 6:04 AM PDT
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Okay - not sure who is moving first, but I think you said my spider friend is. If not - Farig will delay.

The aranea will move to (17,8) and cast a web over the location of where Ghost is located. Regardless of its success, Farig double moves to (14,11)
Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 7:33 AM PDT
Eluria:
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T'cha'kl T'zk'l moves and throws a web at you, but you dodge it.  Farig then moves right next to you.  Both have concealment and so cannot be sneak attacked.

www.identicalsoftware.com/coco/coco.php/... T'zk'l/x.jpg

Buffs: Chameleon (ends long), electric adaptation (ends long), antitoxin, regular arrow poisoned, bane arrow dissolving, expeditious retreat (ends 16), divine favor (ends 18), vigor 59/49 HP (ends 27), offensive precognition (ends 49).
Used: 2pp, powerstone specified energy adaptation, antitoxin, drow poison, 1 charge dorje of dissolving weapon, 1 use dancing shoes, 1 use lucky shirt, 1 use dorje vigor.

Beginning of round 12.


TelinArtho

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T'cha'kl T'zk'l moves and throws a web, but it falls to the ground without hitting anything.  Farig then moves next to where Ghost is...to be continued.

www.identicalsoftware.com/coco/coco.php/... T'zk'l/x.jpg

Buffs: mage armor T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends < 3 hrs), Resist Acid both (ends long), PfE both (ends round 34 for Farig, 35 T'cha'kl T'zk'l, Cat's Grace T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 36), Shield T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 27), Magic Fang T'cha'kl T'zk'l (ends 28), Shocking Grasp held T'cha'kl T'zk'l

Used (T'cha'kl T'zk'l): 4 lvl1 spells, 2 charges wand resist energy, potion Cat's Grace, 1 charge wand shield.


Now what?


Beginning of round 12.
Flag TelinArtho April 22, 2012 8:56 AM PDT
Farig and the aranea Show
Do I know for sure that Ghost is still there? Also - did you account for cat's grace in the attack? (it misses regardless - but was a lot closer than the roller indicates I believe)

If he is there for sure, the aranea moves adjacent to Ghost to (13,9) and throws another web. -4 for throwing into a melee and does provoke.

Farig will then full attack - trip, if successful, disarm anything in hand (repeat until nothing in hand, then attack for damage.

If I don't know whether he is there, the aranea will move and bite the location instead.
Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 10:45 AM PDT
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This is quite important, but I think you have Ghost 5' south from where I wanted him, precisely so not pinned against the tree - Ghost looks to be 105' south from where he had been, not 100', and it does make a difference - b/c if Ghost is 5' further north, he can step 5' west and avoid AoO, which is basically the entire fight - if disarmed, I lose; if I can shoot, I have a fair chance.  If you could correct the position, I'd appreciate it.  I do think that 5' is fight altering, and I did say 100' not 105'
...

If can't correct position, please let me know, as currently it does not look like I can 5' step diagonally NW out of range and be able to shoot without provoking - if I can, please 5' step out of range and attack Farig as noted (seeking enchantment negates miss chance)  -  with Manyshot + 1 focus (from psicrystal) for fellshot and fire both poisoned arrows at him

However, as I don't think I can 5' step NW around the tree, and if I attack while in range he's definitely disarming me and basically ending the fight, I have to try to be a little creative

Psicrystal uses 20' climb speed to go up 30' (double moves/withdraws up) into the canopy.
Then Ghost uses Dimension Swap (manifest defensively, expend Ghost's focus to do so) and switches places with Psicrystal, so Ghost is 30' up from current position, in canopy, focus expended, and psicrystal is below.

If for some reason Farig uses his AoO vs. the psicrystal's movement, then that means Ghost can fire at will, and will 5' step north and shoot as noted. 

Shoot; while that may have worked, I am short pp (since can't draw from cog crystal and memory at same time).  Darn it. 

I am really wishing I had those ranks in Tumble I keep postponing.

To move things along:
--I would prefer Ghost was where I expected, 5' further north; if so, can 5' west and attack Farig with Manyshot + 1 focus (from psicrystal) for fellshot and fire both poisoned arrows at him
--If Ghost is not moved, then there's not much left beyond just 5' north and fire Manyshot + 1 focus (from psicrystal) for fellshot and fire both poisoned arrows at Farig and hope he magically fails to disarm me.






Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 11:01 AM PDT
Eluria pointed out that I made a mistake...

TelinArtho:
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Ghost is actually one space north of that; I presume you still want T'chak'l T'z'kl to throw a web, but do you want Farig in the same place or somewhere else?  As for your question, he still is there after the web.


Eluria:
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I did move you 100', but Ghost must have slipped 5' south first; it was clearly my mistake, so I'm adjusting it (and letting TelinArtho reposition Farig accordingly.)  I presume you will still want to attack Farig?
Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 11:09 AM PDT
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Thanks Yitzi, I appreciate it

Yes, Ghost would 5' step away to prevent AoO and fire at Farig w/ Manyshot, 1 focus (from psicrystal) for fellshot, and shoot the 2 poisoned arrows (the prebuffed poisoned one and the one poisoned this fight) at Farig, and hope that he fails one of the two saves...  Since once disarm basically ends things!

Flag TelinArtho April 22, 2012 11:20 AM PDT
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Okay - Farig should be one square further north as well then. Otherwise, no change
Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 11:46 AM PDT
Eluria:
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One problem I realized...in addition to providing concealment, the undergrowth counts as difficult terrain, meaning no 5' steps.  You can move before shooting if you want, but no 5's.

Oh, and now Farig moved as follows:

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Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 11:53 AM PDT
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Well then, you're right - no 5' steps, means either move (and draw AoO) or shoot (and draw AoO); will just have to hope concealment miss chance protects me, which basically feels like "80% chance Farig disarms you" is coming up

since there's no way of avoiding the AoO (I don't suppose Ghost is secretly hidden/total concealed at this point), just shoot him as noted, and depending on results of that will declare move action ... if Farig is down, prob regain focus; if Farig is up, will want to move out to beyond undergrowth, as I totally forgot it prevented 5' steps. 
Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 12:42 PM PDT
Eluria:
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Actually, Ghost was hidden; they knew where he was because they had a map, but Ghost still had total concealment.  Fortunately for you, that still prevents an AoO.


Ghost shoots a pair of arrows at Farig; they both hit, and Farig falls unconscious.  T'chak'l T'zk'l can clearly see her foe now.



(TelinArtho, your turn.)

Eluria:
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Used so far: 2pp, powerstone specified energy adaptation, antitoxin, drow poison, 1 charge dorje of dissolving weapon, 1 use dancing shoes, 1 use lucky shirt, 1 use dorje vigor, 1 arrow, 1 cold iron arrow.
Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 12:45 PM PDT
Yitzi Show

Ahh, missed that - thought "revealed" was not just shown on map, but as-if seen, etc.  That helped, definitely.

Nice rolls, as well.

Will use move action to regain psionic focus after shooting Farig (manyshot is std action)

Flag TelinArtho April 22, 2012 12:56 PM PDT
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I suppose that was 2 poison saves from 2 different arrows? I guess that answers what he used burglary on... Grr.

Farig should have a 50% check to determine if she stays in the saddle. If she falls, she'll take damage, but will fall on a random side (which will hopefully not be the side where Ghost is).

Okay - assuming Ghost has no melee weapon in hand, the aranea will move up to the south east of Ghost and throw a web over him (provokes, but he shouldn't be threatening then). If he provokes by trying to CDG or otherwise, bite for damage with shocking grasp as an rider effect.

EDIT - not that it will matter too much, but Whirlwind does have the defend trick - so should be attacking until Farig is killed off.
Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 1:56 PM PDT
After Ghost attacks Farig, he regains focus, ignoring a wild kick from Whirlwind (who still has Farig on his back).  T'cha'kl T'zk'l moves up and throws another web at Ghost, but the assassin dodges again.

(Eluria, your turn...)
Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 2:16 PM PDT
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Shoot Aranea w 2 foci- fellshot, manyshot, buffed bane arrow (note PBS, off precog, divine favor all stack), then move w and s, trying to get the horse out of this. Concealment for no aoos?
iPhone'd
Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 2:20 PM PDT
Sorry, replace "manyshot" with "psionc shot" - cant edit post on iPhone - just one shot
Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 3:27 PM PDT
Eluria:
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Cover prevents AoO, concealment does not.


Ghost focuses and, using his shield from protection from his target and taking Whirlwind's hooves on his armor, shoots an arrow at T'cha'kl T'zk'l.  Blazing with psionic energy, it pierces her magical protections and hits her in an eye, knocking her out.

Eluria:
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You've almost won, but Farig gets another save against each poison in 9 rounds, and wakes up on success, and that horse could be annoying...
Flag TelinArtho April 22, 2012 3:50 PM PDT
Okay - I started reading the spoilers and I see a bit of an issue - though this is likely an error on the sheet and ultimately wouldn't have changed anything in my tactics.

Ghost's 3FC and Prebuffs wrote:

Fight 1

Time Before Fights: 5h
Prebuffs/Ongoing Effects: none
Items Used: 2 charges from a dorje of dissolving weapon (ML3)
Spells or Powerpoints Used: 2pp (DC)
x/day Abilities Used: truestrike choker x1
Free Activity: burglary


Fight 2

Time Between Fight: 4h
Prebuffs/Ongoing Effects: none
Items Used: Potion of Invisibility (CL3), 1 charge from a dorje of vigor (ML2, aug), Trinket of See Invisibility (CL3), Powerstone of Force screen (ML2), 4 charges from a dorje of Dissolving weapon (ML3), 4 arrows (4 hits)
Spells or Powerpoints Used: 3pp, cast Obscuring mist 1SL
x/day Abilities Used: True Strike from choker, Expeditious retreat from shoes
Free Activity: rob store


Prefight Actions

Gain psionic focus
Powerstones addressed
Attuned to cognizance crystal
Psicrystal focused
Bring psicrystal (propulsion activated)
If attacker, use disguise kit
Prebuff drow poison a Cold Iron arrow pre-F2 ongoing




I didn't see this last line - but looking at the 3FC summary I don't see anything about it. I checked the previous fight (which was mine) and it makes no mention of it.

In the sheet, Ghost looks like he started the cycle with 3 doses, but now apparently only has one.

So basically, it looks like Ghost should have that other arrow with poison as he used against Farig (which was a surprise to me - but like I said, I wouldn't have changed my tactics had I known) and might need to correct an error on the drow poison uses used - depending on if he did in fact use one in fight one.

On the other hand - the next one to mention my terrible dice can be pointed to this fight... Aranea got an average 4.5 on 4 rolls, Farig got 7 on 3 rolls and the horse led them all with 8.4 on 5 rolls. Nice... just nice.

Flag Eluria April 22, 2012 5:48 PM PDT
I am certainly not complaining about the ridiculously imbalanced rolls.  Re: poison confusion, I see; I'm really sorry it's not in the F2 fight summary, definitely confusing - it was definitely pre-buffed fight 2 and marked off in "used items," and can see it both in the prebuffs here as you say, and on the character sheet history here: community.wizards.com/coco/wiki/Eluria/G...
definitely an error not to have it in the F2 fight summary though -- I will try to check those more carefully, he just uses so many items each fight.

@Yitzi - did you want Ghost to kill Farig? can I just CdG from adjacent right now, without drawing AoO b/c of concealment?
Flag Yitzi April 22, 2012 6:36 PM PDT
Concealment does not prevent AoO...you still want to CDG?
Flag Eluria April 23, 2012 3:56 AM PDT
yes just go ahead and try to kill farig.
cdg this round; if fails move out from underbrush and re-cdg for sneak attack dmg. continue until he's dead or has only 2 rounds left before next save
(I really hope it doesn't ever matter, but I think the initial damage to Farig was off slightly, b/c each arrow does 1d8+1, +1 divine favor, +1 PBS, so maybe 4 extra damage?)
Flag Yitzi April 23, 2012 6:27 AM PDT
(I realized that and corrected it.)

After T'cha'kl T'zk'l is downed, Whirlwind gets in a glancing kick on Ghost, but shortly afterward Ghost slits Farig's throat, winning the fight.

(the post in the Battles thread will probably be up later today or tomorrow.)
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