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Also, the wiki history can be used to get ECL5 sheetsof most characters

Apr 4, 2012 -- 10:57AM, TelinArtho wrote:

Scrataw leveled up after winning her fight - so that makes it a little more complicated. Stats if we use her:

HP24, AC 24/20/16 (+1 dodge)
Fort +10/Ref +12/Will +7
Attacks: 2 Talons +10 melee, 1d4+1; Bite +6 melee, 1d4

2pps per fight, Inertial Armor and Offensive Prescience

We can use her history page from before the fight.  As for the vigor powerstone I mentioned in PM, I could just state that in the fight thread.

Also, I had assumed that these trial runs would be 'frozen' fights (no rewards, no costs).  Should it be different?

 

Yeah I thought Malyuk-type would do well; I am all for experimenting, and a playtest makes sense, but I don't know that we need to load up on multiple playtests before even trying one - do you want to just do separate thread me run the mobs you run kusari-gama, so we get a sense for it, or do you have a hankering to run the mobs?  If you want to run the horde, I can whip up a dretch fighter that would not take long to make, but would be more designed for this (as opposed to malyuk) -- but let me know what your preference is, and we can get at least one practice run gonig -- it may be that when we start, some issues are immediately apparent.

I think the horde should have random starting box, changed each time a new wave comes, and while first round should not be in the same box as player, after the first wave each subsequent wave should be able to start in any box (including the players) to prevent hide/wand of fireballs/kill all or somesuch.

And practice rounds should all be frozen; tourney itself could even be frozen -- if someone makes it through 20 waves of goblins using 5k wealth, they're n ot going to be in great shape to start a 3FC

I also think Shaman shouldn't have CLW scroll - that just adds "hard for pitlord to remember/keep track of, doesn't make that much of a diff"


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Test Dretch Available Here
(not at all optimal for this, just has basically high ac, cleave, and combat reflexes; mostly testing "high ac and bag of tricks of goblin doom" with this guy)

I quite like the idea of the player starting in the middle and the goblins coming from all the corners at once. Maybe on the Moat map. However, it's probably more hassle like that.

One issue I see is that items are going to be an even bigger deal here. A full caster will burn through their Fireballs and Stinking Clouds quickly, but a Full BAB 4/Sorcerer 1 could carry a Wand of Fireball and be far more effective at spellcasting, yet still have high HP and the BAB to use weapons. I think you would suffer a CL check for that, but a Wand of Sleep or Colour Spray could work just fine. Sure the DC is low but these guys have low saves. Hit the ground, then finish them off with your sword or javelins or whatever.

At ECL 5 you have 13,500gp, right? I'm sure you'll spend a lot on general equipment etc. but in theory you could buy 18 wands with that. You're never going to run out of charges, even if they manage to sunder a few times.

I think item use is an important part of the game, but will a single caster dip be almost necessary? A Full BAB 5 should be better really than someone with a random dip, but in this situation I worry they'll do disproportionately worse. I expect the playtests will reveal much, though.

Honestly, a couple burning hands will destroy the hordes.  3,750 for a 5d4 burning hands will almost guarentee one shots, and  with flying for good positioning, you would destroy the horde.  Maybe make the cleric have the fire domain, also, since burning hands is such a cheap area effect spell.